Irish isp test

flamegrill

Hi All,

We've made some drastic changes to the site and how the tests work etc. You now have to register (I know it is annoying) to be able to test your broadband connection. But it stores the results in a db and it'll display the last 10 results so if you are having problems with your line you can copy and paste the results into an e-mail and send to your ISP.

it also graphs the results in funky flash graphs.

The registration automatically enables you to login to the forum aswell. <edit>People who have an account on the forum previously can logon to the main page also using the same details </edit>

Paul

bminish

flamegrill wrote:

Hi All,

We've made some drastic changes to the site and how the tests work etc.

Paul

It's still not even remotely accurate. It's showing my 10Mb uncontended symmetrical connection as 2Mb down 361 K up.

.brendan

thegills

Bminish,
Can you suggest a more accurate test.
thegills

bminish

thegills wrote:

Bminish,
Can you suggest a more accurate test.
thegills

# curl -o /dev/null http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/centos/4.2/isos/i386/CentOS-4.2.ServerCD-i386.iso
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
6 558M 6 36.8M 0 0 1154k 0 0:08:15 0:00:32 0:07:43 1137k

flamegrill

bminish wrote:

It's still not even remotely accurate. It's showing my 10Mb uncontended symmetrical connection as 2Mb down 361 K up.

.brendan

Hi Brendan,

its designed for asymetric lines. Anything over 8mbit down 1mbit up won't report accurately. It is extremely accurate for dsl and cable connections.

Paul

bminish

flamegrill wrote:

Hi Brendan,

its designed for asymetric lines. Anything over 8mbit down 1mbit up won't report accurately. It is extremely accurate for dsl and cable connections.

Paul

So why does it so drastically under-report low latency symmetrical connections then ?

In any case when I run the test via a 5M/512Kbs Netsource ADSL line with no other traffic on it I get 931Kbs down 286Kbs Up.
(A test on DSLreports of the Same ADSL line using a server in California manages 1.2 Mb down and 240kb Up )

This test does not appear to be a reliable test of true internet performance yet people are using it as a basis to complain about their ISPs

.brendan

ro2

Good work. Can't get it over 66Mb/s though. I'd say I'll hit the hundred mark when you that INEX connection juiced up

ghostdancer

flamegrill wrote:

It is extremely accurate for dsl and cable connections.

Paul

not for mine it isn't. starts off at the right download speed, then drops dramatically for no appparent reason coming towards the end of the test and often settles at anywhere from 1MB-2MB down.

downloading an ISO from heanet gives a steady, consistent 330kbps...

JPA

Why does it not work properly in Opera?

flamegrill

You need a jre installed for it to work.

Your browser should have the ability to install one.

Aye, when our INEX connection goes live all the iffy results should go. That is once we peer directly with eircom/esat/netsource/heanet/digiweb etc ..

Regards,

Paul

Dcully

This is very inaccurate tbh.
Ill stick with heanet for accuracy.

Blaster99

flamegrill wrote:

Hi All,

We've made some drastic changes to the site and how the tests work etc. You now have to register (I know it is annoying) to be able to test your broadband connection. But it stores the results in a db and it'll display the last 10 results so if you are having problems with your line you can copy and paste the results into an e-mail and send to your ISP.

Could this not have been achieved with a cookie?

UberNewb

Nice site,

Good work flamegrill!

byte

Why must so many slam the service? It is free, and if ya don't like it, don't use it.

Personally, I find it handy.

oscarBravo

It's only really a problem if you're an ISP and it dramatically misrepresents your customers' connection speeds.

Airblazer

oscarBravo wrote:

It's only really a problem if you're an ISP and it dramatically misrepresents your customers' connection speeds.

maybe irish broadband can use that as an excuse..:D

seriously though..i find isp test very accurate for digiweb metro so thumbs up

CyberGhost

Thanks, I like it

CrowdedHouse

Why do you have to register ?

ntlbell

CrowdedHouse wrote:

Why do you have to register ?

It's italian plastic.

In order for the new features to work?

mneylon

CrowdedHouse wrote:

Why do you have to register ?

The only way that we can give you the past results of your tests is if you register.

Boomer23

its shockingly inacurate, ive a 3meg connection, and my download from Heanet is 374k.........on this crap it says im only getting 900k and 284k

1, obviously wrong
2, mathmatically impossible!!!!!

my advice? DONT REGISTER, DONT GIVE SUCH FLAGRANT CHANCERS THE BUISNESS!

dan99989

And what business would that be exactly?

flamegrill

HI ye.

If anyone is seeing inaccurate results can you do a traceroute to the site please?

One thing is for sure, the box has plenty of bandwidth and processing power to do the task at hand. But mayhaps your ISPs don't have good bandwidth outside of the INEX which means your international traffic won't be as good as it would be to say, heanet etc

Paul

Boomer23

dan99989 wrote:

And what business would that be exactly?

well obviously there will be advertisments on the site, and the more registered "customers" there are the more advertisment the site will get

bminish

flamegrill wrote:

HI ye.

If anyone is seeing inaccurate results can you do a traceroute to the site please?

One thing is for sure, the box has plenty of bandwidth and processing power to do the task at hand. But mayhaps your ISPs don't have good bandwidth outside of the INEX which means your international traffic won't be as good as it would be to say, heanet etc

Paul

Lovely, blame the ISP's why don't ya!

We are well connected and can get pretty much the same speeds on non INEX peered sites

# curl -o /dev/null ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/4/i386/iso/FC4-i386-disc1.iso
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
  3  634M    3 24.9M    0     0  1027k      0  0:10:32  0:00:24  0:10:08 1020k

# ping www.irishisptest.com
PING www.irishisptest.com (87.252.192.15) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from morgana.blacknight.ie (87.252.192.15): icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=100 ms
64 bytes from morgana.blacknight.ie (87.252.192.15): icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=101 ms
64 bytes from morgana.blacknight.ie (87.252.192.15): icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=100 ms
64 bytes from morgana.blacknight.ie (87.252.192.15): icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=101 ms
64 bytes from morgana.blacknight.ie (87.252.192.15): icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=100 ms

# ping www.tu-chemnitz.de
PING www.tu-chemnitz.de (134.109.148.33) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.tu-chemnitz.de (134.109.148.33): icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=45.4 ms
64 bytes from www.tu-chemnitz.de (134.109.148.33): icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=44.7 ms
64 bytes from www.tu-chemnitz.de (134.109.148.33): icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=44.7 ms
64 bytes from www.tu-chemnitz.de (134.109.148.33): icmp_seq=3 ttl=246 time=45.9 ms
64 bytes from www.tu-chemnitz.de (134.109.148.33): icmp_seq=4 ttl=246 time=44.8 ms

# ping www.heanet.ie
PING heanet.webhost.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79): icmp_seq=0 ttl=58 time=7.39 ms
64 bytes from www.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79): icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=7.82 ms
64 bytes from www.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79): icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=7.57 ms
64 bytes from www.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79): icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=8.02 ms
64 bytes from www.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79): icmp_seq=4 ttl=58 time=7.31 ms
64 bytes from www.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79): icmp_seq=5 ttl=58 time=7.41 ms
64 bytes from www.heanet.ie (193.1.219.79): icmp_seq=6 ttl=58 time=7.36 ms

--- heanet.webhost.heanet.ie ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6007ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 7.318/7.556/8.022/0.269 ms, pipe 2

Now why would blacknight be further away than a German FTP site?

.brendan

ntlbell

Boomer23 wrote:

its shockingly inacurate, ive a 3meg connection, and my download from Heanet is 374k.........on this crap it says im only getting 900k and 284k

1, obviously wrong
2, mathmatically impossible!!!!!

my advice? DONT REGISTER, DONT GIVE SUCH FLAGRANT CHANCERS THE BUISNESS!

I'ves used this with multiple isp's including NTL/Packet Exchange/Tiscalli/IBB

My results have _always_ been bang on the button.

Chancers? they give this service for nothing, it actually probably costs them money to provide it, bandwith is not cheap.

If you don't want to use the service or address it in a civil manner don't bother, but don't be spouting rubbish.

ntlbell

bminish wrote:

Lovely, blame the ISP's why don't ya!

Pinging www.irishisptest.com [87.252.192.15] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=55

not sure what you're trying to prove?

Boomer23

ntlbell wrote:

not sure what you're trying to prove?

obviously he is trying to show that with ping results like that you cannot get accurate readings

traffic on a site directly affects your connection to the site, therefore if a load of people are doing tests at the same time it will show slower then if there is low traffic

this is basics ntlbell

flamegrill

Brendan,

Provide a traceroute to the site could you please? We'll be peering at inex soon enough and have different carriers to whom we use now.

But I get sub 1ms pings to heanet. I get similar pings to the german site as it happens. We don't peer at inex yet, so that is why some routes may be sub optimal, however it should give a good idea of how your ISP performs to networks outside of ireland. Infairness most sites viewed by end users don't use an ISP peering at inex anyway so it hardly gives a true view of your ISPs performance

e.g.

PING ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64): icmp_seq=0 ttl=57 time=0.939 ms
64 bytes from ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=0.914 ms
64 bytes from ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64): icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=0.841 ms
64 bytes from ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64): icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=0.893 ms
64 bytes from ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64): icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=0.944 ms

traceroute to ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 vlan-192-gw (87.252.192.1) 0.213 ms 0.196 ms 0.112 ms
2 217.114.172.146 (217.114.172.146) 0.357 ms 0.353 ms 0.366 ms
3 217.114.160.33 (217.114.160.33) 0.360 ms 0.356 ms 0.739 ms
4 so-4-1-0.ar1.dub1.gblx.net (64.215.184.193) 0.484 ms 0.476 ms 0.490 ms
5 HEAnet-2.so-3-0-0.ar1.dub1.gblx.net (208.48.23.54) 0.608 ms 0.476 ms 0.491 ms
6 mantova-gige6-2.bh.access.hea.net (193.1.195.138) 0.867 ms 0.852 ms 0.864 ms
7 viola-po1.bh.access.hea.net (193.1.196.222) 0.860 ms 0.855 ms 0.859 ms
8 ftp.heanet.ie (193.1.193.64) 0.859 ms 0.852 ms 0.863 ms


I get full wire speed off heanet aswell.

For reference we have 4 stm1s to tier 1 ISPs Colt, Glbx, C&w and Esat transit.

That is a total of 622mbps on net currently, soon to be much more and also we'll have a 100mbit pipe into inex which will show better performance for all Irish isp customers but alas it doesn't give a true view of what their international transit agreements are like.

Paul

bminish

ntlbell wrote:

Pinging www.irishisptest.com [87.252.192.15] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=55
Reply from 87.252.192.15: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=55

not sure what you're trying to prove?

NTL peer in London (as well as the INEX?). What do your NTL pings to heanet.ie look like?

This speed-test site, purportedly targeted at Irish ISP users gives seriously misleading results in many cases for Irish ISP's, Hopefully this will change once they peer at INEX
It's not a problem that this test is inaccurate, as long as people understand that the results are also a test of how good blacknight.ie's peering arrangements are.
The problems begin when people start whining on about how bad their ISP is based on the results of this test.
.Brendan

bminish

flamegrill wrote:

Brendan,

Provide a traceroute to the site could you please? We'll be peering at inex soon enough and have different carriers to whom we use now.
Paul

Here You go

# tracepath www.irishisptest.com
 1:  ns2.westnet.ie (88.81.100.2)                           0.759ms pmtu 1500
 1:  mole.westnet.ie (88.81.100.1)                          0.645ms
 2:  fe0-0-1-55.edge1.tcy.dub.stisp.net (84.203.178.57)   asymm  3   6.303ms
 3:  ge1-3-0-104.core1.tcy.dub.stisp.net (84.203.130.89)  asymm  4   6.721ms
 4:  pos2-0.ar04.ldn01.pccwbtn.net (63.218.52.1)           19.961ms
 5:  pos11-1.br02.ldn01.pccwbtn.net (63.218.12.182)       asymm  6  20.608ms
 6:  ge1-0.ar2.lon2.gblx.net (195.66.224.112)             asymm  9  92.291ms
 7:  so0-0-0-2488M.ar1.DUB1.gblx.net (67.17.66.6)         asymm  9 101.358ms
 8:  Data-Electronics-Group-LTD.so-4-1-0.ar1.dub1.gblx.net (64.215.184.194) asymm  9 102.583ms
 9:  217.114.160.43 (217.114.160.43)                      101.539ms
10:  217.114.172.149 (217.114.172.149)                    asymm  9 102.617ms
11:  morgana.blacknight.ie (87.252.192.15)                asymm 10 102.956ms reached
     Resume: pmtu 1500 hops 11 back 10

.brendan

bminish

One other question,

Why does this speed test also give such a poor result for a 5Mb netsource line?

.Brendan

ntlbell

bminish wrote:

NTL peer in London (as well as the INEX?). What do your NTL pings to heanet.ie look like?
.Brendan

If you asking do NTL peer with INEX yes they do.

much the same

Pinging ftp.heanet.ie [193.1.193.64] with 32 bytes of d

Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=56


And IBB ping's to heanet below

Pinging ftp.heanet.ie [193.1.193.64] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=56
Reply from 193.1.193.64: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56

flamegrill

Hi Brendan,

That traceroute will drastically change soon

I can see the problem though, smart's ISP pick up global crossing in the <edit> US </edit> and not in Ireland. Glbx' transatlantic pop is on the same DC floor we host in, hence why we are so quick into anyone using glbx out of dublin. It is a less optimal route I have to admit, but it will change in the not too distant future.

On the netsource line, it should report very well. e.g we have a 4mb line in the office in carlow and it reports the speed exactly as the same as what I can pull stuff off heanet.

Can you provide a trace from there too? ta.

Paul

Boomer23

bminish wrote:

The problems begin when people start whining on about how bad their ISP is based on the results of this test.
.Brendan

i totally agree with you, but then again that would mean that this Board would be practically empty........

ntlbell

bminish wrote:

The problems begin when people start whining on about how bad their ISP is based on the results of this test.
.Brendan

They should always be testing from multiple sites anyway.

ntlbell

Boomer23 wrote:

obviously he is trying to show that with ping results like that you cannot get accurate readings

traffic on a site directly affects your connection to the site, therefore if a load of people are doing tests at the same time it will show slower then if there is low traffic

this is basics ntlbell

They are HIS ping results tho, mine on 3/4 ISP's are all fine to blacknight, so showing just HIS pings is not proving much, except a problem with HIS ISP's peering, which is what he was trying to disprove.

I should really learn the basics after all these years, I've obviosuly hidden it well from my employer :rolleyes:

bminish

flamegrill wrote:

Hi Brendan,

That traceroute will drastically change soon

Good, We all could do with a fair an accurate speed tester

Can you provide a trace from there too? ta.
Paul

today I get 3.10 Mb up 225 Kbs down. This is a 5M 512K netsource line with no other users.

Here's this route

# tracepath www.irishisptest.com
 1?: [LOCALHOST]     pmtu 1492
 1:  adsl (212.17.55.97)                                  asymm 101   0.772ms
 2:  rt004dub.netsource.ie (213.79.63.254)                 74.891ms
 3:  rt001kil.netsource.ie (212.17.32.101)                asymm  2  83.104ms
 4:  64.215.182.205 (64.215.182.205)                       76.579ms
 5:  Data-Electronics-Group-LTD.so-4-1-0.ar1.dub1.gblx.net (64.215.184.194) asymm  4  77.659ms
 6:  217.114.160.43 (217.114.160.43)                      asymm  5  77.450ms
 7:  217.114.172.149 (217.114.172.149)                    asymm  6  84.237ms
 8:  morgana.blacknight.ie (87.252.192.15)                asymm  7  79.784ms reached
     Resume: pmtu 1492 hops 8 back 7

and a curl
# curl -o /dev/null ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/centos/4.2/isos/i386/CentOS-4.2.ServerCD-i386.iso
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed          Time             Curr.
                                 Dload  Upload Total    Current  Left    Speed
  4  558M    4 24.9M    0     0   505k      0  0:18:51  0:00:50  0:18:01  515k

definitely better peering on this path

.brendan

Freddie59

oscarBravo wrote:

It's only really a problem if you're an ISP and it dramatically misrepresents your customers' connection speeds.

I think it's a brilliant site. I used to have 3 Meg NTL (now 1 Meg). Religiously use it to test it - never a bother. Interesting one - friend of mine had a desktop PC running on w98SE - NTL showing 1.25M on a 2 meg. XP laptop connected to same line consisitently clocking 1.95M. So don't necessarily go blaming the www.irishisptest.com;)

AdMMM

Also I'm guessing it may deter random people hammering the application if they see they have to register?

Sparky

digiweb seem to go to london and back

Target Name: irishisptest.com
IP: 87.252.192.15
Date/Time: 26/02/2006 13:36:43

1 11 ms 15 ms 13 ms 11 ms 14 ms 26 ms 13 ms 10 ms 12 ms 11 ms 9 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms 11 ms 13 ms 12 ms 10 ms 11 ms [83.147.173.1]
2 39 ms 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms 21 ms 20 ms 18 ms 13 ms 13 ms 329 ms 27 ms 14 ms 20 ms 21 ms 37 ms 109 ms 26 ms 228 ms 88 ms 26 ms gi-0-0-61.dub-deg-br2.net.digiweb.ie [83.147.163.161]
3 25 ms 18 ms 15 ms 17 ms 19 ms 14 ms 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms 15 ms 124 ms 234 ms 314 ms 19 ms 21 ms 28 ms 16 ms 41 ms 30 ms 23 ms gi-0-2-45.dub-deg-br1.net.digiweb.ie [83.147.163.38]
4 35 ms 29 ms 31 ms 31 ms 29 ms 37 ms 33 ms 32 ms 39 ms 27 ms 32 ms 30 ms 41 ms 31 ms 28 ms 26 ms 26 ms 39 ms 45 ms 26 ms 816.ge5-0.mpr1.lhr1.uk.above.net [213.161.79.65]
5 29 ms 23 ms 30 ms 27 ms 32 ms 38 ms 50 ms 30 ms 29 ms 33 ms 31 ms 32 ms 31 ms 29 ms 29 ms 26 ms 34 ms 28 ms 37 ms 30 ms pos4-0.mpr2.lhr1.uk.above.net [208.185.156.14]
6 28 ms 24 ms 29 ms 29 ms 55 ms 29 ms 40 ms 34 ms 23 ms 31 ms 34 ms 47 ms 26 ms 33 ms 25 ms 31 ms 32 ms 30 ms 38 ms 47 ms globalcrossing-mfn.mfnx.net [208.185.188.66]
7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * [-]
8 48 ms 41 ms 33 ms 33 ms 40 ms 47 ms 39 ms 41 ms 36 ms 37 ms 41 ms 39 ms 48 ms 61 ms 43 ms 39 ms 56 ms 36 ms 47 ms 58 ms Data-Electronics-Group-LTD.so-4-1-0.ar1.dub1.gblx.net [64.215.184.194]
9 59 ms 37 ms 32 ms 42 ms 40 ms 36 ms 47 ms 41 ms 44 ms 40 ms 37 ms 34 ms 49 ms 43 ms 43 ms 36 ms 52 ms 38 ms 53 ms 57 ms [217.114.160.11]
10 50 ms 49 ms 31 ms 51 ms 37 ms 49 ms 36 ms 37 ms 49 ms 38 ms 37 ms 41 ms 47 ms 45 ms 34 ms 34 ms 46 ms 36 ms 57 ms 55 ms [217.114.172.149]
11 43 ms 43 ms 40 ms 49 ms 35 ms 43 ms 35 ms 34 ms 39 ms 36 ms 36 ms 48 ms 52 ms 44 ms 37 ms 54 ms 72 ms 36 ms 59 ms 45 ms morgana.blacknight.ie [87.252.192.15]

flamegrill

Again this will change when we peer with digiweb at inex ..

Paul