Anyone ever do this?

DapperGent

Went into the Fitz last night with Luke (Lafortezza) for the 100 euro freezeout and found myself knocked out within 15 minutes. Nice one. So nothing for it but to hang around and wait til a cash game started up.

Pretty deep into the night I'm in the 50 round of each, Luke's also been knocked out and is directly to my left. I'm sitting on about 1200 euros (things had gone slightly better in the cash game) and Luke has about 500.

In Omaha and I pop it preflop with 9978ss, Luke calls from the button as does most of the table. Flop is Q92 rainbow, it's checked to me and I pot it for around 30 Luke calls everyone else goes away. Turn is a Jack and if I remember right completes the rainbow. I bet 55. Luke calls. River is a Ten. I can't think of a single way that my fourth set can be good here and I check. Luke thinks, checks behind and annouces topset and throws over QQ and whatever other rubbish he was playing. I muck.

As Luke is stacking his chips I realise what I've done and seriously consider punching myself in the face.

RoundTower

I have done this.

I have also mucked hands when I was winning the side pot.

biteme

I've mucked top house in that game with 200 in the pot and only 40 quid bet into me. I didn't see the board had pair and there was an obvious straight/flush. Was kinda annoying when someone called house and I realised the error of my ways

Samba

lol and no, never

Samba

That's your holdem brain at work there Dapper!

Imposter

Samba wrote:

That's your holdem brain at work there Dapper!

Dapper has a holdem brain?

Daithio

sick. no raise from luke on the flop? That's a bid odd.

RoundTower

waiting for a safe turn card obviously.

Lafortezza

Daithio wrote:

sick. no raise from luke on the flop? That's a bid odd.

I have an absolutely terrible image in the Fitz. If I raise the flop Q 9 2 rainbow, Dapper will know that I have either QQxx or some big fat draw like KJT8. If the turn comes something like a 6, he should bet again, then I raise and he's a bit more pot commited and still unsure of what cards I have.

Your resident nut-peddler.

DeVore

Almost did something like that in the Fitz. 9 handed table and EVERYONE has limped. I have QQ92 unsuited and decided to play it for set value. Flop comes 888 (!) and I lose all interest in this hand. 36 cards in players hands means someone HAS to be slow playing the poker. Much checking later we get to showdown and while we're waiting for the players to declare in order I start twiddling my hand over and over, exposing it. It comes to my turn and I just drop the cards on the felt over the line. The dealer apologises and says he has to show my hand as I've exposed it. I think about arguing but he's right so I just shrug and he delares "queen high house, any one got better?". Amazingly everyone shrugs and a 9 euro chip pot comes my way... I think I tipped him about 4, got up and left. Time to go home!

DeV.

RoundTower

lafortezza wrote:

I have an absolutely terrible image in the Fitz. If I raise the flop Q 9 2 rainbow, Dapper will know that I have either QQxx or some big fat draw like KJT8.

Well, yes. Raise anyway. If it was Q82 there is a case for calling.

I got into a similar situation last night I think I misplayed. Unknown player UTG with €200 makes it 10 and I put out €10 before anyone can correct the bet. I have AAQ3 one suit. Two other players, plus the small blind, call. Flop is AK5, no flush draw. Check, UTG bets €40, I call, fold, fold, small blind makes it €150. UTG goes all in. Small blind has another €400 odd behind, I have more. He is a solid player, moderately aggressive. What do I do?

DapperGent

In some ways I like a call becuase he probably only has 8 outs. If he doesn't have 8 he has one. If the turn comes a Q,J or T and he tanks it I'll give him credit and fold.

I suppose it all depends on whether you think he will tank it on a blank if you check to him on the turn and he does infact hold QJTx. Could he make the raise with 234x? If you can be bluffed if either of the small wraps make it then repot now as an awful lot of the deck is making you fold while you might be ahead.

Potting it now would give you an easier life but he might fold KKxx which would be a disaster. I think I repot this in the Fitz because I think a lot of players will still call there with small wraps and undersets.

The disaster is UTG having QJTx and him folding KKxx to your reraise but I think I still go safe here and repot.

DubTony

I don't play Omaha, and after reading this thread I know why ... my head hurts. But am I wrong in thinking that you only use 2 of the cards in your hand? I thought it was any 2 in your hand and 3 on the table. Please let me know ... cos a couple of these posts seem to contradict that and now it all makes absolutely no sense to me.

Or am I thinking of something else ?

DapperGent

Yep you can only use two and you must use two.

If a flop is say AK5 as above there's two possible (reasonable) straight draws. Someone holding QJTx say can hit 3 Qs, 3 Js and 3 Ts to make a straight so holds something slightly better than an open ended straight draw. If he only held QTxx or JTxx he would simply have a gutshot. So like with all Omaha hands it's important that all your cards work together for you to hold a good preflop hand.

So something like 5678 is a lot better than AK72 or JJ32 which are both utterly atrocious hands.

In the first hand the nuts on the Q92 rainbow flop is QQxx. However the best possible hand you could hold is QQJT for an open ender with your top set. Nicer still would be if it came with two back door flush draws.

RoundTower

DapperGent wrote:

In some ways I like a call becuase he probably only has 8 outs. If he doesn't have 8 he has one. If the turn comes a Q,J or T and he tanks it I'll give him credit and fold.

I suppose it all depends on whether you think he will tank it on a blank if you check to him on the turn and he does infact hold QJTx. Could he make the raise with 234x? If you can be bluffed if either of the small wraps make it then repot now as an awful lot of the deck is making you fold while you might be ahead.

Potting it now would give you an easier life but he might fold KKxx which would be a disaster. I think I repot this in the Fitz because I think a lot of players will still call there with small wraps and undersets.

The disaster is UTG having QJTx and him folding KKxx to your reraise but I think I still go safe here and repot.

I really didn't think he had QJT here. It's possible he could play it that way though. I was fairly sure both players had made hands, probably AK for the preflop raiser and KK for the check raiser. I reraised all in and the big stack folded showing 55, the all in player had QJT and my hand held up. If I had called I was almost guaranteed to get the other player all in on a blank turn when he would be drawing almost dead.

After the hand one of the other players asked me "were you afraid of the flush draw on that flop?" (as a joke). We agreed a call is almost certainly better. I'm not sure what I do if I call and the turn brings say a Q.

AmarilloFats

Funny hand in MGM grand.
1/2NL, someone makes it 15 pre flop 2 callers. Flop comes Ad Tc 4d, original raiser makes it 40, 2 callers. The turn is a blank... He bets 100, just one caller(the guy sitting to my right). The river is the Qs. The PF raiser goes all in for 300.....The guy to my right, looking disgusted, shows (just me) KdJd and folds.....!!! He was soo waiting for his flush card he missed his gutshot.... And no I did not tell him.¬

gosplan

in a similar way I called off a huge bet in a game of Hi/lo last night where I had a decent flush and the nut low.

Problem was there wsan't a low available.

Had Qh2hA3. Flop came Jh 6h 7h. I'd never call with third flush but I had the best low draw.

Turn was a ten or something and somehow by then my mentality had gone from 'Ok flush and nut low DRAW' to 'Ok flush and nut low MADE'.

I'm really not sure how it happened, remember reading in an omaha book that at virtually every level of the game someone is going to misread their hand every so often. Never made such a stupid mistake myself

More raising, board came Q, pot sized bet and I called figuring that with the nut low and an ok flush I was getting half this back..so stupid!!!