Supplier of methanol in Dublin?

feylya

This might seem like a stupid question but does anyone know where to get methanol in Dublin? Can't find it anywhere. It's for mixing wood dyes.


Sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

wavin

feylya wrote:

This might seem like a stupid question but does anyone know where to get methanol in Dublin? Can't find it anywhere. It's for mixing wood dyes.


Sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

think there was threads about methanol before.,people looking into biodiesel...

i think model airplane shops might stock it.prob small quantities/expensive

lab suppliers on the other hand would be cheaper but not sure if they supply to the general public
labscan / lennox / sigma aldrich are a few lab supply places around dublin

breadmonkey

I think it was Khannie who was looking for it, though I may be wrong. AFAIR, he found it very difficult to obtain.

Found it.

-->http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=239481&highlight=biodiesel

ninja 101

what about 99.99% spectrometer pure ethanol?None of this purple denatured ****e! Anyone?

tonyharris999

I am buying Methanol for biodiesel in 45 gallon (205 litre) drums
if you're in Wicklow and want a small amount drop me a pm and I'll sort you out

wavin

tonyharris999 wrote:

I am buying Methanol for biodiesel in 45 gallon (205 litre) drums
if you're in Wicklow and want a small amount drop me a pm and I'll sort you out

hey, would you giving a few more details about that methanol, price, purity.

a friend was looking into the biodiesel thing but couldnt find a supplier

thanks

tonyharris999

I get 2 x 165 kgs (that's 205 litre drums or 45 gallon as we know them) delivered for a total including vat of Euro 330.33. That includes a delivery charge of 25 euro plus vat Any supplier I have spoken to insists on delivery. You must have hazchem training, certificates, plates on vehicle etc to collect yourself.

as far as quality is concerned you're best off talking to the people yourself - though I have no problems producing biodiesel with the stuff.

Contact is :
Karl Carpenter
Central Chemical Supplies Ireland Ltd
Newcourt House,
Strandville Avenue,
Clontarf,
Dublin 3
Ph: +353 1 8332281

and feel free to mention me - might get me a discount later in life.

wavin

tonyharris999 wrote:

I get 2 x 165 kgs (that's 205 litre drums or 45 gallon as we know them) delivered for a total including vat of Euro 330.33. That includes a delivery charge of 25 euro plus vat Any supplier I have spoken to insists on delivery. You must have hazchem training, certificates, plates on vehicle etc to collect yourself.

as far as quality is concerned you're best off talking to the people yourself - though I have no problems producing biodiesel with the stuff.

Contact is :
Karl Carpenter
Central Chemical Supplies Ireland Ltd
Newcourt House,
Strandville Avenue,
Clontarf,
Dublin 3
Ph: +353 1 8332281

and feel free to mention me - might get me a discount later in life.

sound.

did you have to do any engine modifications to use your biodiesel?have read that some people have had to install a fuel heater to use it

tonyharris999

wavin wrote:

sound.

did you have to do any engine modifications to use your biodiesel?have read that some people have had to install a fuel heater to use it

there is a right load of confusion about this. I am producing biodiesel. That will run any diesel engine without modification.

OK I can already hear the arguments - older engines pre 1985 with rubber components in fuel lines, or pump seals will be affected by biodiesel and the rubber will degrade over time using 100% bio.

My car is a merc e320 cdi '02. I started it with a 50/50 mix ( don't mind being brave, but try not be stupid !) and after 3 tankfuls of this I got fed up and now running 100% bio for the past 3500 kms with no noticeable ill effects. Cold morning starting is not a problem in our climate but is an issue at lower than say -5 c - and we might just see that this week.

Also running the house heating (increase the pump pressure), standby diesel generator, and forklift.

AnTaoiseach

tonyharris999 wrote:

I am buying Methanol for biodiesel in 45 gallon (205 litre) drums
if you're in Wicklow and want a small amount drop me a pm and I'll sort you out

would your methanol be suitable for chemical extractions?
are there any harmfull chemicals added?

Tree

AnTaoiseach wrote:

would your methanol be suitable for chemical extractions?
are there any harmfull chemicals added?

/me feels impelled to add that the liver converts methanol to formaldehyde, hence methanol itself is kinda harmful... (if ya ingest it....)

tonyharris999

an Taoiseach - haven't a clue - I use it for biodiesel production and give it great respect

Tree- methanol is lethal if ingested and not a good idea to even inhale it either. Best avoided at all costs

I have heard that methanol is naturally occurring in fruits etc but I prefer to keep well away from the stuff

AnTaoiseach

whats the crack with bio diesel?
I'm farmiliar with diesel engines run on vegetable oil, and have heard of bio diesel (I think dublin Bus have announced plans to use 5% biodiesel)
how is it produced?

tonyharris999

AnTaoiseach wrote:

whats the crack with bio diesel?
I'm farmiliar with diesel engines run on vegetable oil, and have heard of bio diesel (I think dublin Bus have announced plans to use 5% biodiesel)
how is it produced?

Diesel engines only run on veg oil with a conversion - preheater and sometimes a seperate tank, change injectors and possibly the fuel pump - I am not really sure about this and don't want to appear biased towards biodiesel which of course I am.!

Biodiesel will run any diesel engine just like ordinary diesel, so no conversion necessary. I suppose you could say we convert the veg oil (in my case waste cooking oil). There are of course exceptions to every definite statement and biodiesel should be researched before introducing it to your engine so you know what to watch for etc...rubber hoses and seals can suffer but these were mostly done away with in the late '80's

I started my own car on a 50/50 blend and did this for 3 tankfuls and then went all biodiesel with no petro diesel except the diminishing quantity already in the tank. That was 4000 km ago. You will need to change the fuel filter after about 2-3000 kms 'cos the bio cleans out the tank and fuel lines and all the dirt gets caught up in the filter.

I could write at length about biodiesel but there are many good sites out there where you cna read up - if you need anything specific then let me know.
and this is as good a site as any to start with http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biod

tonyharris999 - I have been interested in producing my own biodiesel for some time now, but never realised methanol could be purchased this cheaply. Did you make your own processor, or did you buy one of those rather expensive set ups as advertised on greenfuels.co.uk or some other type? Also, do you collect waste oil from restaurants etc. or use new veg oil?

tonyharris999

Biod wrote:

tonyharris999 - I have been interested in producing my own biodiesel for some time now, but never realised methanol could be purchased this cheaply. Did you make your own processor, or did you buy one of those rather expensive set ups as advertised on greenfuels.co.uk or some other type? Also, do you collect waste oil from restaurants etc. or use new veg oil?

I bought from greenfuels.co.uk thru NI distributor. Felt safer with a semi-pro unit and got a chance to see it working first.

I do not collect my own oil but buy it from someone who does.

Using new veg oil would make it rather costly unless you have a supplier of cheap new oil ???

Biod

TonyHarris999 - I've seen the distributor on the net. There cheapest processor worked out at something over six grand euro! That's well beyond my current abilities. But still interested in giving it a go, with perhaps a small scale home made version.
Who do you buy your used oil from? What price? Delivery? . . . I know I've a lot of questions, but I've been finding it difficult to get info on this type of stuff from a more local level. American & English sites galore, but not much for Eire.
I have invested in a small qty of methanol, blender and digital scales and will be doing some test batches over the coming days.
Most of my interest has come from Josh Tickells book. Then from sites like greenfuels, journeytoforever etc. Best Irish site I've seen is EilishOils.com.
Anyway, waiting patiently for any more info you can give me.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Tree wrote:

/me feels impelled to add that the liver converts methanol to formaldehyde, hence methanol itself is kinda harmful... (if ya ingest it....)

edit: sorry i was wrong

Biod

Sorry, not to hear from you again TonyHarris999.

Is there anyone else out there who can give me some info on how they are currently making Biodiesel?
I've been trying to find places that sell used veg oil, but no joy. Most restaurants etc. are out aswell as they return theirs to their supplier. Anyone any info on this?

tonyharris999

sorry
hard disk failure on the laptop ! just getting back to normal now

moved to new premises for bio production so that also took a lot of time

remind me where we are up to and what you need to know
if you are in North Wicklow area then you're welcome to the tour of the new plant


I might be able to organise waste veggie oil for you depending on your location

a pm might be in order at this stage

SOL

Have you tried your local pharmacy? they can usually point to a pharmacy that stocks it if they themselves dont

Danny Bhoy

tonyharris999 wrote: »

I get 2 x 165 kgs (that's 205 litre drums or 45 gallon as we know them) delivered for a total including vat of Euro 330.33. That includes a delivery charge of 25 euro plus vat Any supplier I have spoken to insists on delivery. You must have hazchem training, certificates, plates on vehicle etc to collect yourself.

as far as quality is concerned you're best off talking to the people yourself - though I have no problems producing biodiesel with the stuff.

Contact is :
Karl Carpenter
Central Chemical Supplies Ireland Ltd
Newcourt House,
Strandville Avenue,
Clontarf,
Dublin 3
Ph: +353 1 8332281

and feel free to mention me - might get me a discount later in life.

thanks for that info about methanol supplies. I have been researching bio diesel production for a bit now and I am ready to start assembling my own production apparatus . The one major stumbling block was the supply of methanol which is now solved thanks to you Tony. What kind of system have you and are you using W.V.O. If so how do you do your titration tests and where do you get the kit for this. I will mention you name when ordering the Methanol.

mkem

Bio Diesel processor for £900 stg.


www.biodieselwarehouse.co.uk

BioW

I am interested in speaking with anyone with information on the production of Biodiesel. Also suppliers of ethanol, methanol, sodium hydroxide, cooking oils (used or new pending cost). Please do not hesitate in contacting me at anytime here, thanks. Biodiesel production has been keep "under the covers" for way too long. Oil companies get rich by draining our pocket books, and in the process pollute our environment.

Darando

Just as a heads-up. Methanol carries a TOXIC label so should be locked away when not in use.

kaiphas

Darando wrote: »

Just as a heads-up. Methanol carries a TOXIC label so should be locked away when not in use.

MSDS details for methanol below - need to be very cautious when handling, storing or using methanol

OSHA Hazard Classification: EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. HARMFUL IF INHALED OR SWALLOWED. CAUSES EYE IRRITATION. May cause damage to central nervous system, liver , kidneys.
Chronic exposure during pregnancy may be harmful.
Routes of Entry: Skin, eyes, Inhalation, ingestion-toxic
Chemical Interactions: Avoid contact with all oxidizing agents.
Medical Conditions Aggravated:
Chronic disease of the nervous systom, skin gastrointestinal tract and eyes.

Kartlad89

Does anyone here know anything about e85 ethanol and would be willing to help

Woodward

ninja 101 wrote: »

what about 99.99% spectrometer pure ethanol?None of this purple denatured ****e! Anyone?

The purest commercially available ethanol is 95.95% and is known as absolute ethanol and is available from Sigma Aldrich. If you want to get it purer than that you need to distil it over magnesium to remove trace water and the resulting pure ethanol must be handled in a completely anhydrous environment as it is hygroscopic

ianobrien

Woodward wrote: »

The purest commercially available ethanol is 95.95% and is known as absolute ethanol and is available from Sigma Aldrich. If you want to get it purer than that you need to distil it over magnesium to remove trace water and the resulting pure ethanol must be handled in a completely anhydrous environment as it is hygroscopic

There is 99.9+% EtOH available, but to purchase, you need to be registered with the Revenue commissioners and return audit info to account for every bottle used. You need pre-approval IIRC off Revenue to purchase and it can be entertaining to get approval. The reason for this is to stop people adding pure EtOH to water to make their own "Vodka".

We have it at work and every bottle and every drop taken from the bottle must be logged......

derry

Kartlad89 wrote: »

Does anyone here know anything about e85 ethanol and would be willing to help

I ran my non flex fuel susiki swift 1000cc for 30,000 miles or so when they sold it in Ireland from 2002 to i think 2007

They don't sell it in south Ireland anymore I think the 26 county Royal Oireachtas 1926 King George 5th provisional Government removed the tax advantages so it would cost more than normal petrol

First thing it often isnt E85 it can be 85% ethanol but word is it was often more like 70% ethanol

My car would run on pure E85 but without mods wasn't a happy camper if you put the boot down as it wasn't getting enough fuel you need to open the jets 30% more to get the fuel to work best as possible.

however I mostly ran a 80% mix of E85 and 20% petrol and that was great .The extra oxegen in the fuel was giving me 30% more power and was like having 1300 turbo under the hood

Some SOB kids stole the car set fire to it .The extra oxygen in fuel caused massive fire and burnt out four other cars that were on the other side of the road so that shows you that stuff burn bug time .

What info you need
Derry