Arrested for dangerous driving help

drdre

Guys last night i was arrested and then realeased for dangerous driving under section 53 of road traffic act.
"A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place at a speed or in a manner which, having regard to all the circumstances of the case (including the nature, condition and use of the place and the amount of traffic which then actually is or might reasonably be expected then to be therein) is dangerous to the public."
i just wanted to find out if anyone else has been caught and what happens.
i was doing a few wheel spins etc.
i know it was my stupidity and fault so please donot come on and tell me.

i would just like views and tell me what would happen i have to appear in court on 1st march 2006.


thanks in advance

RobAMerc

drdre wrote:

i was doing a few wheel spins etc.

What exactly were you doing ?

5500

Were you caught in the jfk/western industrial estate by any chance?

Seth Brundle

...and where, how many people nearby, etc.?

jayok

Well it depends on the day in court TBH. The Garda in question obviously thought you were driving dangerously, but it'll be up to the Judge to "form an opinion" on exactly what you were doing.

If the Judge believe you were driving dangerously there are quite seriously penalites he can hit you with

1. 5 points on license
2. Endorsement
3. Fine
4. Imprisonment

Ok the level at which these will apply with depends on "how serious" the Judge sees the crime (not an expert in law so not sure that mindset of the Judge). If it was just wheel spins in a car-park or something like that it would probably be penalty-points and a fine. But if you were doing 100km/hr up the Main St dodging pedestrians while doing wheel spins start packing for the Joy.

drdre

yeah man i think i was caught on the western industial estate. pmme

does any one know where i can call or go to find out whats the max that can happen.

i was doing wheel spins and 360's but the garda were looking then later there was police checkpoint and i got done there.

thanks guys

Turner

When you say wheel spins do you mean a few handbrake turns aswell, or maybe a bit of drifting.

This carry on creates serious noise pollution at night, especially for families with young kids in the area trying to sleep.

Id bring a good bit of money to court with you, and get a good solicitor. Id say most you will get is a ban and a fine. Least you will get is an endorsement and a fine.

Call the judge a wánker and youll end up inside.

cormie

Does the "private grounds" rule not apply here if it was in the Ind. Estate?

Big Balls

drdre wrote:

yeah man i think i was caught on the western industial estate. pmme

does any one know where i can call or go to find out whats the max that can happen.

i was doing wheel spins and 360's but the garda were looking then later there was police checkpoint and i got done there.

thanks guys

So if you "got done" at the checkpoint then what did he "do" you for? Were you wheel spinning at the checkpoint? Presumably not..

I wouldn't worry about point number four, you won't be doing time for this !! :rolleyes:

Seth Brundle

cormie wrote:

Does the "private grounds" rule not apply here if it was in the Ind. Estate?

I think it falls under the public place aspect though

drdre

no i wont call him a wanker.i want to keep calm:D to avoid further problems

it was 3-4 full 360's.and then got locked up for 1 hr and then got realeased.i donot mind POINTS AND FINE but hope i donot get a ban or even imprisionment.
i was going max 50-60 kmp but the problem is i cannot prove it.

prospect

drdre wrote:

hope i donot get a ban or even imprisionment

I hope you do.

drdre

bigballs i was doing wheelspins earlier and the cops said they seen me and then when i was at a checkpoint they done me there and then under section 53 of road traffic act.

yeah i am hoping not imprisionment.

does anyone know who i can ask about the law at the moment as the stupid irish law keeps changing.

Peace

A hefty fine and a lentghy ban should learn you some manners.

drdre

prospect stop wrecking the thread u muppet.go and make ur own thread u child.

prospect

drdre wrote:

prospect stop wrecking the thread u muppet.go and make ur own thread u child.

Pot - Kettle

You cheared me up no end there.....

Big Balls

prospect wrote:

I hope you do.

Come on, a custodial sentence? Will you wake up.

Drd - some would say doing donuts on a public road is acting like a child.

cormie

What time was it at Dre? If it does fall under the public place act, would this not change passed closing time?

Turner

Were you charged ?

Ind Est is a public place if the public have access to it, he obviously did as he drove into it.

Seth Brundle

drdre wrote:

does anyone know who i can ask about the law at the moment as the stupid irish law keeps changing.

I think part of the problem with this country is that they don't change the law enough!

cormie

Chief--- wrote:

Were you charged ?

Ind Est is a public place if the public have access to it, he obviously did as he drove into it.

Suppose so yeah. There's usually a loophole in Irish law though:rolleyes:

DukeDredd

Get used to the view...

Turner

hahaha brilliant.

drdre

cormie it was around 11pm when i got caught but i did them around 10pm.

thanks guys for the help.

Jumpy

drdre wrote:

cormie it was around 11pm when i got caught but i did them around 10pm.

thanks guys for the help.

Someone probably heard you and reported it. It sounds like someone joyriding a stolen car.
Used to happen all the time near where I lived. Pissed me off no end as its a lot louder than you think it is.
Bet you wont do it again.

Turner

Just for the record.

From http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA24Y1961S3.html
"public place" = means any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

drdre

this thing happens every thur and near coke factory on naas rd.it was my first time i ever went.

i just did it for the laugh but wonot be doing it ever again:D

Seth Brundle

DukeDredd wrote:

Get used to the view...

he will be lucky if he is the only one in the cell. He may have a cellmate!
I image googled cellmate and bitch (no google filter) but am reluctant to show the pics

jayok

kbannon wrote:

I image googled cellmate and bitch (no google filter) but am reluctant to show the pics

I just repeated the same query, oh dear!

5500

A few people had cars taken off them where you were last night,

For those that dont know the capitals boy racers basically turn up on sundays and thursdays and race each other and handbrake/wheelspiff/diff around an industrial estate.Its nowhere near any houses ect but there would be joe public driving thru.

The garda are well wide to it,for the past while they have been taking pictures of car reg's and been recording whats gone on,The mobile cctv unit does also be down there parked off.Chances are 1:they could throw the book at you because there sick of what goes on down there and 2: they have you on tape doing it so if you pleaded innocent then you could be rightly shagged.

alias no.9

drdre wrote:

does anyone know who i can ask about the law at the moment as the stupid irish law keeps changing.

The only change in the 2004 road traffic act was the insertion of a paragraph stating that

In a prosecution for an offence under this section, it is not
a defence to show that the speed at which the accused person was
driving was not in excess of a speed limit applying in relation to
the vehicle or the road, whichever is the lower under this Act.

which makes this

drdre wrote:

i was going max 50-60 kmp but the problem is i cannot prove it.

just a little bit pointless.

My advice is to get yourself a good brief and go to court contrite and appologetic. Let your brief do the talking and be prepared to pay a substantial sum to the poor box.

drdre

yeah eireal was was there that i got caught, but in court i am going to tell them that i did it as they might have it video recorded.as there was loadz of police around last might.

anyway i hope for the best and wish a fine and points.

maidhc

drdre wrote:

does anyone know who i can ask about the law at the moment as the stupid irish law keeps changing.

A solicitor. Seriously, having a law degree myself I cringe at the "advice" given out on forums. The best thing you can do is ask a few questions about the best guy to go to, and he will set you straight and get you the best deal possible.

If you are telling the truth, and I have no reason to doubt it, getting slapped with a dangerous driving conviction seems harsh enough.

5500

Which station were you taken to?clondalkin?

Did they seize your car aswell?

MikeHunt

From everything you've told us so far it sounds like the garda have no actual proof, and that's was a conviction depends on. Perhaps you've already admitted it or said too much to them at this stage though...

drdre

yeah eireal it was clondalkin,the car was taken at the check point and was given back to me after 1 and half hours.
yeah i will have to tell my parents first and then ask my dad to introduce me to his solictor:D to try and get some help.
i have to go to kilmanham court:mad:

Kersh

Right Dre -
Cut to the chase stop messing us around... answer the important question - -


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What were you driving??????????????????

Seriously though - ask them for some evidence.

drdre

kersh it wasnot even a fast car.thats the problem and thats why im pissed off.
its a 2005 vw golf 1.4. its good with traction control off:D

LundiMardi

drdre wrote:

bigballs i was doing wheelspins earlier and the cops said they seen me and then when i was at a checkpoint they done me there and then under section 53 of road traffic act.

yeah i am hoping not imprisionment.

does anyone know who i can ask about the law at the moment as the stupid irish law keeps changing.

i hope they make an example out of you to be honest.

drdre

thanks lundi:p

Kersh

Lord, it would have been half worth it if it was a Tuscan or something.
I think they do need some sort of evidence. Then again if the cctv was there, maybe they do.

LundiMardi

drdre wrote:

thanks lundi:p

my pleasure..

fatboypee

that fkking filum "The Fast and Furious" has alot to fkkin answer for !!

One consolation, the irish versions of the cars all top out at a whopping 1.4 :rolleyes: (doesnt stop the muppet driving ala baseball cap and sunglasses suspended on a string from the roof to give the illusion of height of the driver :rolleyes: ).....

kittenkiller

drdre wrote:

this thing happens every thur and near coke factory on naas rd.it was my first time i ever went.

i just did it for the laugh but wonot be doing it ever again:D

Glad to hear it!
I'd be all for you having your license taken off you & suspending you from reapplying for a good few years.
But hey, that's just me!

kdevitt

It was a stupid thing to do, but to be honest I'd rather see the gob****es who can't use a roundabout properly get done, rather than someone who decides to waste their tyres when theres no one around.

I'd suggest you get a good solicitor/barrister. What happens will more than likely be at the whim of the judge on the day. It will be the guards word against yours, so I'd be tempted to go with the 'I know it was stupid, I'm so sorry' route. And a donation to the court poor box.

Henry Ford III

drdre wrote:

kersh it wasnot even a fast car.thats the problem and thats why im pissed off.
its a 2005 vw golf 1.4. its good with traction control off:D

I didn't realise 1.4 Golf's had t.c.

They certainly don't need it :eek:

RobAMerc

If you really were just spinning your wheels then I think you are the victim of stats.

The cops are under pressure from the dumb*ss minister to do something about safety. The cozzers don't have any real clue or training about it either so they think spinning your wheels and making a bit of noise is dangerous and you end up in the slammer, and another busted driver in the crusade against dangerous driving, "a statistic"

If you were racing on public roads then I think you probably deserve all you get.

If it is a noise thing you should all be just chased off.
Whats so dangerous about buring the tyres of your dads motor?

Henry Ford III

RobAMerc wrote:

If you really were just spinning your wheels then I think you are the victim of stats.

The cops are under pressure from the dumb*ss minister to do something about safety. The cozzers don't have any real clue or training about it either so they think spinning your wheels and making a bit of noise is dangerous and you end up in the slammer, and another busted driver in the crusade against dangerous driving, "a statistic"

If you were racing on public roads then I think you probably deserve all you get.

If it is a noise thing you should all be just chased off.
Whats so dangerous about buring the tyres of your dads motor?

His Dad's likely anger?

adam01

my mate got 2 years:o

JazzyJ

Hmmmm... probably deserves all he gets...

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mike65

As you sow so shall you reap

Mike