Situational factors - survival, payouts

ionapaul

Played in the SE €50 double chance last night, 60 runners and the usual chip donations right from the start. Anywho, long story short, had a lot of trouble on the final table despite being among the chip leaders at one stage, and was in dire straights when Roryc was knocked out in 6th place. Blinds were now 3k/1.5k and I had 11.5k left, blinds about to go up to 4k/2k. I was on the big blind. SB was the monster chip leader (if Olly is reading, the same guy who cracked my aces last week), he must have had at least 60% of chips in play. All others had between 20k-30k. Payouts for last 5 were €1450, €700, €400, €300 and €200.

UTG min raised to 6k. This was not unusual for him, he was quite a cautious player, it certainly didn't represent a monster. He was also a little up against it at this stage, having lost a good few chips during the previous 10 minutes and laid down his careful raises to big reraises from the SB (chip leader), I felt he could be a bit tilty. The two others folded and the SB reraised to 18k (I think). I looked down at A 10 off. I had less than 4xBB left, this was the hand I wanted, right? However, I thought about it a little; I was 50% sure of being ahead of both UTG and SB, but might be in trouble if one had a pocket pair and the other had blocking cards (an ace, ten or both).

Also, the payout situation was on my mind - overhauling the massive chip lead was a huge task, surviving until 4th would be much less difficult, with a 50% increase in prize money for survival. I thought UTG was tired of laying down his hands to reraises from SB, was maybe tilty, and ready to make a stand. I would be more than happy to see him being knocked out in such a circumstance.

So I folded (leaving myself with 8.5k, blinds going up to 4k/2k). Would anyone else have laid A 10 down in this circumstance, hoping for a showdown between two others?

Gholimoli

good laydown.
what you have to consider in these situations is how your hand will play agianst the number of opponents you have.
you did a good job of analysing it your self.
when deciding to play here you have to evaluate your hand rankings against two players and the range they could have.
i dont think AT would rank high here at all.
also folding here gives you a chance to move up in the money.
i would much rather fold this here and move with something like 78 suited or any other hand for that matter as long as your the first one in.
if you open the pot you can take the pot in two ways:1.every on folds 2.you end up having the best hand at show down.
when calling you have to have the best hand.

Ollieboy

Gholimoli wrote:

good laydown.
what you have to consider in these situations is how your hand will play agianst the number of opponents you have.
you did a good job of analysing it your self.
when deciding to play here you have to evaluate your hand rankings against two players and the range they could have.
i dont think AT would rank high here at all.
also folding here gives you a chance to move up in the money.
i would much rather fold this here and move with something like 78 suited or any other hand for that matter as long as your the first one in.
if you open the pot you can take the pot in two ways:1.every on folds 2.you end up having the best hand at show down.
when calling you have to have the best hand.

Have to agree with this and I dont think A10 would be a good hand to push with at this stage, as I'm nearly sure your behind. So what was the result, did the chip leader call?

In the SB position in the next hand I would push with any 2 cards if fold around do or raised by the chip leader.

The chip leader here is playing correct and I think the other play will have to laydown, unless he has a monster of a hand, which wont help you.

ianmc38

Ionapaul, where you at table 1 for long or just for the final table? And same question for Roryc?

Norwich Fan Rob

also agree with Gholi

ollyk1

I call. SB folds (how many chips has he left behind? If he has more than 15k I'd say he gets out of the way), and you are dominating the CL's JT holding.

Jack comes on the river and you leave with €200 and your head held high, instead of pushing on the SB into that pocket pair that was dominating your 7T in the SB on the next hand. Am i right?? Am i right?? Dude Am I right???

(Sorry just been watching the Big Lebowski - I love that movie)


P.S. I played like a total p*ssy last night One of those days.

ianmc38

ollyk1 wrote:

P.S. I played like a total p*ssy last night One of those days.

I saw you exiting fairly early. What happened you?

ollyk1

ianmc38 wrote:

I saw you exiting fairly early. What happened you?

What part of "I played like a total p*ssy did you not understand"??

It was one of those nights where I had an uber aggressive palyer on my left and I had to play very tight and wait to trap him. I did trap him, but needed to pull the trigger (with Ace high on a TT9 flop) when he pushed all-in on the flop. But I decided to sweat him and second guessed myself and talked myself out of calling.

So disgusted with myself after that I just tilted/coin flipped my remaining 2k stack away and in the words of Mike Matusow left for the kiddie game down the street where I belonged!!

Thats the 4th bad tournie i've played this year from 16. My consistency is seriously slipping.

ianmc38

ollyk1 wrote:

What part of "I played like a total p*ssy did you not understand"??

It was one of those nights where I had an uber aggressive palyer on my left and I had to play very tight and wait to trap him. I did trap him, but needed to pull the trigger (with Ace high on a TT9 flop) when he pushed all-in on the flop. But I decided to sweat him and second guessed myself and talked myself out of calling.

So disgusted with myself after that I just tilted/coin flipped my remaining 2k stack away and in the words of Mike Matusow left for the kiddie game down the street where I belonged!!

Thats the 4th bad tournie i've played this year from 16. My consistency is seriously slipping.

I went out in about 12th. Got crippled with 20k when my Kings got reraised preflop by JTo and i called and duly hit his straight. That left me on around 6k when i got moved to table 1 and there were 2 fat stacks there. Scottish guy and another guy. Scottish guy played his stack really well at the start but then suddenly tightened up and started playing really weak poker IMHO*(coming from someone who let himself get blinded away). I played very tight and showed a few good hands where i raised preflop. This got me some respect and enabled me to steal a few more blinds. With blinds at 500/1000 i still only had 6k. I chickened out of some easy stealing opportunities that I'd normally have taken without even thinking, playing some of the weakest and most horrible poker i've ever played. Got blinded down and somehow decided that 24 on my BB was the time to make a steal on a board of 357. Got called by Q8 and got left with 1 BB. Moved in immediiately with Kc9c and was duly crippled by AJ. Played much better in the cash game later and ended the night with a tidy profit, though getting to bed at 4:30am was sick as i've been in work since 9...

ionapaul

ianmc38, I was moved to table 1 after table 5 was broken up, and sat in seat 2 until the final table was formed. Myself and the Scottish guy (seat 3) traded the chip lead for a good while, he doubled me up at one stage, then I took down a huge pot a few orbits later when a big stack with AQ raised into my SB, I reraised, he pushed and the cowboys stood up. I'm trying to remember you, what seat were you in?* Roryc didn't come to table 1 until the final table was formed.

Anyway, back to my first post...after I folded the A 10 off, UTG had a nice looooong think. Obviously the voice in my head was screaming 'call call CALL!', hoping he'd get knocked out, but in the end he mucked, it was agonising for him. The SB had just tightened his grip on the table. From talking to the two, I found out the SB had 55, while UTG had A8. I actually survived an orbit more by pushing into the short stacks and getting the blinds, but the chip leader then knocked me out on my BB, his A6 vs. my A4, so I never made that extra €100 I had hoped for. But my decision to fold was the thing that I thought about on the walk back to the car and on the drive home...there always is one hand that stands out, isn't there! As I said in the first post, I was 50% sure of being ahead of both of them when the decision was up to me...


*actually, I can recall someone in seat 8 or so raising a lot and showing AQ, that must have been you, ian? Can't recall if I contested any pots with you.

ianmc38

ionapaul wrote:

ianmc38, I was moved to table 1 after table 5 was broken up, and sat in seat 2 until the final table was formed. Myself and the Scottish guy (seat 3) traded the chip lead for a good while, he doubled me up at one stage, then I took down a huge pot a few orbits later when a big stack with AQ raised into my SB, I reraised, he pushed and the cowboys stood up. I'm trying to remember you, what seat were you in?* Roryc didn't come to table 1 until the final table was formed.

Anyway, back to my first post...after I folded the A 10 off, UTG had a nice looooong think. Obviously the voice in my head was screaming 'call call CALL!', hoping he'd get knocked out, but in the end he mucked, it was agonising for him. The SB had just tightened his grip on the table. From talking to the two, I found out the SB had 55, while UTG had A8. I actually survived an orbit more by pushing into the short stacks and getting the blinds, but the chip leader then knocked me out on my BB, his A6 vs. my A4, so I never made that extra €100 I had hoped for. But my decision to fold was the thing that I thought about on the walk back to the car and on the drive home...there always is one hand that stands out, isn't there! As I said in the first post, I was 50% sure of being ahead of both of them when the decision was up to me...


*actually, I can recall someone in seat 8 or so raising a lot and showing AQ, that must have been you, ian? Can't recall if I contested any pots with you.

Yep that was me with AQx3. Stole with 57 and T3, but didnt show those monsters. Then for some reason I decided to show K5 suited on the steal(stupidest move of the night) and then got blinded away. When the other Ian got moved into my right, I got very wary of him as he's a decent player. I played far too weak at the table. I didnt want to make moves on your/Scottish guys blinds without a hand and that why i showed the few AQs when i did make a steal off them , so that you'd be wary of me moving if i did need to.

I played our table badly though. Played the one before that table far better minus the bad beat and then just played weak poker as a result of those 2 fat stacks at table 1. I thought you played really well while i was there and the double through with the cowboys was nice(though I dont know what he was thinking with AQ)