Southside snobbery what about Northside snobbery?

Bartronilic

Today on the 15A an old man in a discussion with the bus driver shouted out "Yeah I hate the southside full of GUCHES (wtf is a guch?), the northside has a better atmosphere"

First of all why was someone who thinks the Southside is "guch" on a southside bus?

And I hate it when people say "but the southside isn't all posh what about areas like Ballyfermot, Tallaght, Crumlin and TERENURE" (wtf, have you ever been to Terenure and seen the 8 bedroom houses?!) this wrecks my head because you're slandering Ballyfermot and all as well as the areas on the Northside.

And worst of all in Templeogue the whole area is subjected to slander because:

People from anywhere west of templeogue say "It's a posh place" (I've been insulted to my face about this "Go back to your double door fridge poshie"),

but anywhere east of templeogue you get "Oh you live in a ****hole of an area" again to my face.

Templeogue is neither posh nor not posh (I wish the wannabe d4s and wannabe skangers learned that).

And that's another thing:
Wannabe skangers aka shams, the whole point of chav/skanger culture is to dress like rich people but in a fake designer way (fair enough) BUT in Templeogue they are just about able to afford the rich people clothes so they wear REAL designer clothes and look like absolute idiot tosspots as a result when they act like people who wear fake designer clothes.

That stupidity also means they can afford cars and try to be cool so modify them (Templeogue is home to Muppet Mobiles but of course being madsters, they only drive them in Tallaght so Daddy won't see them). (But I would like a Micra with neon lights and loud noises so I shouldn't really be saying anything).

AARGH.

Superdub2

Its all a myth, you get nice areas on either side of the city and bad areas too. I am from crumlin and i went to Terenure College so i know a good mix of people. The thing that bothers me the most is the wannabe nackers from areas like templeouge and even some from terenure, but especially from Rathfarnham. these kids come from good middleclass backgrounds and they want to be nackers. At least a lot of the nackers i know from Crumlin and Ballyer and the likes know no other way!

Saying all that i know a lot of nice people from each area so its not quite the beiruit that people make these places out to be!

I also worked in the airport for two years and i was subjected to every northside joke i have ever heard except the northside was replaced with southside!!! so they take the same view that many southsiders.

and try telling someone from Malahide, Howth or Portmarnock that the northside is full of nackers!

baby*cham*bell

guch= bit of skin between a man's scrotum and a$$ crack

Bartronilic

Superdub you just put into words the way I think! It's funny though cos everday ppl are getting beat up in Templeogue all the time (shams) down at the local shops why? because people think they're stupid for the way they act and like to scare them.

A sham's day consists of this:
a) finish school in the local school.
b) get a lift from "madster" brother home to typical 4-6 bedroom house on a qiet grey road (hardly ghetto).
c) go to local shops and just stand there with fake nacker accents all day
d) get beaten up by a greenhills person
e) go home

Great life!

MorningStar

The fact you don't know that somebody who does know what "gush" means kind of means you don't know lower class insults.
Maybe people just don't like you and can sense what would wind you up.:D

There is loads of idiots who beleive their accident of birth make them better than other people. It is just natural fear and binding thing that make society. I think younger people are more arrogant and richer now so it is bit more noticable. That applies to both north and south it is easier to spot thoses not of your own and call them names.

AARRRGH

I'm from Blackrock. You would be amazed at the abuse I get for this. Reverse snobbery is much more common than "tradictional" snobbery.

Everyone I know from Blackrock doesn't give a **** about accents or where you're from - they're too busy getting on with their lives!

Here's a typical reverse snobbery incident (happened last week) -

I was in RiRa (niteclub in Dublin for anyone who doesn't know.) I was drunk and was talking to two blokes. One of the first things they said were "Where are you from?" (aggressivily.) I resonded "Blackrock..." and of course, got some abuse. They then asked me what I do. I said "I work in online recruitment" They started bitching about how they work in the navy and that the job website I run is too snobby to put navy jobs on it. I tried to explain that if the navy don't want to put jobs on the website, there is nothing I can do about it... (I'd be delighted to have navy jobs on it.) But they somehow thought it all came back to some weird Blackrock thing.

Seriously. A lot of people have some weird warped idea in their mind about Blackrock people and "posh" accents (which are not fake, just like people with "Dublin" accents aren't faking it...)

Blah.

monkeyfudge

I was being slagged by girls in a local pub in Coolock last Friday evening.

They kept saying I should go back to Sandymount... the thing is I was actually born in Coolock and have probably lived there longer than them.

I just don't go out of my way to sound like an idiot which seems to be the 'in thing' these days in Coolock.

Binomate

Bartronilic wrote:

Today on the 15A an old man in a discussion with the bus driver shouted out "Yeah I hate the southside full of GUCHES (wtf is a guch?), the northside has a better atmosphere"

First of all why was someone who thinks the Southside is "guch" on a southside bus?

And I hate it when people say "but the southside isn't all posh what about areas like Ballyfermot, Tallaght, Crumlin and TERENURE" (wtf, have you ever been to Terenure and seen the 8 bedroom houses?!) this wrecks my head because you're slandering Ballyfermot and all as well as the areas on the Northside.

And worst of all in Templeogue the whole area is subjected to slander because:

People from anywhere west of templeogue say "It's a posh place" (I've been insulted to my face about this "Go back to your double door fridge poshie"),

but anywhere east of templeogue you get "Oh you live in a ****hole of an area" again to my face.

Templeogue is neither posh nor not posh (I wish the wannabe d4s and wannabe skangers learned that).

And that's another thing:
Wannabe skangers aka shams, the whole point of chav/skanger culture is to dress like rich people but in a fake designer way (fair enough) BUT in Templeogue they are just about able to afford the rich people clothes so they wear REAL designer clothes and look like absolute idiot tosspots as a result when they act like people who wear fake designer clothes.

That stupidity also means they can afford cars and try to be cool so modify them (Templeogue is home to Muppet Mobiles but of course being madsters, they only drive them in Tallaght so Daddy won't see them). (But I would like a Micra with neon lights and loud noises so I shouldn't really be saying anything).

AARGH.

If you havn't ever seen an 8 bedroomed house in Terenure then you've never been down Fortfield Road, Templeoge Road, or Terenure Road East. The fact of the matter is that the Southside houses Dublin 4. An area nationaly infamous for snobery. We are all tarred with the Dublin 4 brush, and the Northside with the opposite. It's just a stereotype.

AARRRGH

Binomate wrote:

The matter of the fact is that the Southside houses Dublin 4. An aread natinally infamous for snobery.

It's undeserved though. I have never come across people from around this area who think they are better than others, or who think people with Dublin accents are lesser creatures. Yes, they may think they are different, but being different and looking down on someone are two totally different things!

I think the anti-D4 things has a huge element of jealousy in it.

rubadub

MorningStar wrote:

The fact you don't know that somebody who does know what "gush" means kind of means you don't know lower class insults.

too early for all these negatives

iregk

It does, its born from years back when D4 was big house, big car and big job. Other areas were low income, no car and at times no job. Its all to do with begrudgery in my opinion. I'm not from Dublin, I'm from Wicklow but whats amazing is the way a conversation swerves in a flash to outside Dublin.

Example is that I was with a group of people in a pub opposite my college back in the day when I was in college. It was Ballyfermot college but people were from all over, Leixlip, Lucan, Phibsboro, a few of us from Wicklow and of course a few local.
A conversation brewed up about northside hating southside etc... the abuse going from the ballyfermot lads to the northside and back was unreal. One asked me what I though and I said its all toss if you ask me. I was asked where I was from and then all of a sudden the north and south side lads gang up on me for being an outsider as I was called. i.e. not from Dublin!!!

With seconds there was a split, Kildare & Wicklow against Dublin!!!

rubadub

are you poshhhh?
me- what?
are you a poshieee?
me- what does that mean?
are you posh?
me- you mean rich?
yeah..
me- no I only have about £50 in the bank and thats it....
are you posh though?
me- well I have fuk all money. whats the opposite of it, being a knacker scumbag?
whaaaa??? supposeeeeee.....
me- so are you posh, or a knacker scumbag?
neither.
me- same here

MorningStar

dublindude wrote:

I'm from Blackrock. You would be amazed at the abuse I get for this. Reverse snobbery is much more common than "tradictional" snobbery.



Seriously. A lot of people have some weird warped idea in their mind about Blackrock people and "posh" accents (which are not fake, just like people with "Dublin" accents aren't faking it...)

Blah.

I think you might be missing the gravity of real snobbery there. Being slagged about where you are from is what people do in Ireland. Saying it aggressively is half the joke and if you get defensive or superior it can easily become actually aggressive. It's a test of who you are very common in many cultures. The fact you can't deal with it is your problem.

Traditional snobbery is borderline descrimination . Being refused entry to a shop, being watched in shops, not getting a job becasue of an accent etc...

Whinging because people slag you and then claiming it is jealousy kind of misses what is going on and actually proves your predjudice not theirs.

You assume they are unhappy with their lot and want yours and aren't considering that may be they associate you with a group that looks down at them. Considering what people can take up from what you are saying I would safely say you are as guilty as them.

Many people think they hide their predjudice but hey don't. A little bit nervous of two guys wearing tracksuits so you go to the other side of the street of give them more room. People notice this stuff and general body language.

It is human nature and has grounded reasoning but it should be limited in how it controls us.

el tel

dublindude wrote:

I think the anti-D4 things has a huge element of jealousy in it.

I have lived in D4 for nearly two years ago and only recently did I find out that my street is a prestigious address (I'm not from these parts). The jealousy I've noticed between D4 people alone is stupefying. I've met people who were born and raised in the area and they are so jealous and hateful towards eachother I can only imagine how they are to everyone else. The worse culprits are the girls I've met who are so stuck up and proud despite the fact that they've achieved nothing in their lives and are just sponging of daddy.

AARRRGH

MorningStar wrote:

Whinging because people slag you and then claiming it is jealousy kind of misses what is going on and actually proves your predjudice not theirs.

?

What are you talking about?

I don't give a **** whatsoever where people are from.

Yes, I do believe a poor person who instantly hates someone from Blackrock just because they are from Blackrock has got to have an element of jealousy to it. We cannot help where we are born, and we cannot help it if people are so insecure that they think someone from a big house is looking down on them. As I said, people from Blackrock are too busy getting on with their lives to feel a need to look down on a "less rich" person.

Really, it's all in their heads...

(Of course, there will always be some snobs and there will always be some scumbags, but to paint everyone with the same brush just because of an accent is mongotastically retarded.)

FX Meister

But the southside is full of spas who look down on the northside. All you can do is laugh at them and their ignorance

AARRRGH

FX Meister wrote:

But the southside is full of spas who look down on the northside. All you can do is laugh at them and their ignorance

Are you taking the piss or are serious?? If you are serious I'm afraid to say you are very deluded. It's a fantasy world to think the southsiders look down on northsiders.

I would agree that a lot of southsiders think the Henry Street area can be a bit of a kip, and that we have little need to go northside (except when going to the Airport), but the reality of the situation is that southsiders really don't care about the northside - simply because we never really have to go there!

If lack of interest can be interpreted as snobby, well... I don't know how I can answer that one.

Zulu

Feicken southside snobs crying again!

AARRRGH

Zulu wrote:

Feicken southside snobs crying again!

I'm chopping an onion!! Seriously!!

Superdub2

MorningStar wrote:

The fact you don't know that somebody who does know what "gush" means kind of means you don't know lower class insults.
Maybe people just don't like you and can sense what would wind you up.:D

I am from crumlin and know quite a few people who are absolute scum yet i have never heard that word, and before you ask i judge people on their behaviour not where they are from

Superdub2

dublindude wrote:

Are you taking the piss or are serious?? If you are serious I'm afraid to say you are very deluded. It's a fantasy world to think the southsiders look down on northsiders.

I would agree that a lot of southsiders think the Henry Street area can be a bit of a kip, and that we have little need to go northside (except when going to the Airport), but the reality of the situation is that southsiders really don't care about the northside - simply because we never really have to go there!

If lack of interest can be interpreted as snobby, well... I don't know how I can answer that one.

Henry Street is a kip! the problem is that some of the poshest parts of the southside are in the inner city while some of the worst parts of the northside are in the inner city so they are the parts we see when we venture close to the liffey!

and i worked i the airport and knew loads of people who looked down on southsiders so it goes both ways

RuggieBear

according to my pop who was brought up in kimmage in the 50's and 60's, the whole northside southside divide is a relatively new thing (last 20 years) and didn't exist when he was growing up.

I wonder what started it?

iregk

The thing is there are good and bad areas everywhere. Tallaght for example has good and bad areas, as does Dun Laoghaire, Malahide etc... they all have their good and bad areas.

Weather its north dubling -v- south dublin it gets even further down to what part of Tallaght your from for example! Its ridiculous. Some people are not happy with you unless your from the same estate as them end of story.

Then you bring the whole sure outside dublin were all shaging sheep etc.. while in dublin sure there all council house skangers!!! Way too much division in this country.

melekalikimaka

northside posh... ??someones been smoking crack :cool:

Bartronilic

Ringsend is in DUblin 4, Sallynoggin is around the Green Luas line and they arenm't Dorsh speakers.

I think it's blown out of proportion - so much that in fact people from southeast dublin ("d4s") have a mentality now in which they "hate povs" and "hate public schools" which is pretty stupid considering Public schools doesn't make too much difference academically and hating poor people is so ridiculous. But I think by stopping this d4 hate the d4s would stop hating the people who hate them :S bleh

Funkstard

Sallynoggin couldn't be further away from the Luas line.

SxE Punk

What I love about the "class divide" in Dublin is that we're all stuck in this filthy soul crushing city regardless of our postal code. Some have it easier than others, but at the end of the day they'll all end up living and dying in this same **** hole.

As for people from the south side who think they're better than me* or anyone else with a lower income, I honestly pity those people, they may have more money than me, but they'll never be better than me, I've had to fight for all I've got, and growing up in the places I've had to has made me a stronger, more intelligent and mature person than they'll ever be. They can keep the ivory tower, I prefer my view on things anyway.

And all people from Dublin, and Ireland in general, are suspicious and usually hateful towards what they don't know, its because of the small minded backwards mentality that most people on this tiny island have. And I can tell you, I've been around the city, and I've lived in the worst suburbs of the north side, and still live in one of the worst. And I can tell ya, the north and south side? They're worlds apart, so the mutual hatred really isn't very surprising to me. I mean, no matter where I go, I still get insulted insulted for the way I look by a whole spectrum of Dublin people, I've kicked the **** outta people from D4 to D15 and its always for the same reason, prejudice. Thats the only reason the two sides of Dublin hate each other, its got nothing to do with rich and poor, Dubes and Nikes, mummy and ma, Jaguar and and stolen car, its just that they perceive each other as different. The street I live on is basically a long stretch of road, intersected by another stretch of road, the people on each side of this road believe themselves to be "harder" than the ones on the opposite side, simply cause this was what they believed as a kid, and thats what stuck with them, its the same everywhere.


*People who are both from the south side AND believe themselves to be better than me because of this. Don't get it twisted, I'm not tarring all south siders with the same brush.

Superdub2

SxE Punk wrote:

What I love about the "class divide" in Dublin is that we're all stuck in this filthy soul crushing city regardless of our postal code. Some have it easier than others, but at the end of the day they'll all end up living and dying in this same **** hole.

As for people from the south side who think they're better than me* or anyone else with a lower income, I honestly pity those people, they may have more money than me, but they'll never be better than me, I've had to fight for all I've got, and growing up in the places I've had to has made me a stronger, more intelligent and mature person than they'll ever be. They can keep the ivory tower, I prefer my view on things anyway.

Thats a very negative view, i love Dublin and think on the balance of things it is a great place to live. As for your "terrible" background, your blue peter badge is in the post!

SpAcEd OuT

SxE Punk wrote:

As for people from the south side who think they're better than me* or anyone else with a lower income, I honestly pity those people, they may have more money than me, but they'll never be better than me, I've had to fight for all I've got, and growing up in the places I've had to has made me a stronger, more intelligent and mature person than they'll ever be. They can keep the ivory tower, I prefer my view on things anyway.

you see this is the kind of view that the OP is talking about.

what exactly have you had to fight for?

RuggieBear

SxE Punk wrote:

What I love about the "class divide" in Dublin is that we're all stuck in this filthy soul crushing city regardless of our postal code. Some have it easier than others, but at the end of the day they'll all end up living and dying in this same **** hole.

As for people from the south side who think they're better than me* or anyone else with a lower income, I honestly pity those people, they may have more money than me, but they'll never be better than me, I've had to fight for all I've got, and growing up in the places I've had to has made me a stronger, more intelligent and mature person than they'll ever be. They can keep the ivory tower, I prefer my view on things anyway......
.......
I mean, no matter where I go, I still get insulted insulted for the way I look by a whole spectrum of Dublin people, I've kicked the **** outta people from D4 to D15 and its always for the same reason, prejudice....

lol

I've never resorted to violence when someone has insulted me. I am better than you!;)

Superdub2

SxE Punk wrote:

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I've kicked the **** outta people from D4 to D15 and its always for the same reason, prejudice. Thats the only reason the two sides of Dublin hate each other, its got nothing to do with rich and poor, Dubes and Nikes, mummy and ma, Jaguar and and stolen car, its just that they perceive each other as different. The street I live on is basically a long stretch of road, intersected by another stretch of road, the people on each side of this road believe themselves to be "harder" than the ones on the opposite side, simply cause this was what they believed as a kid, and thats what stuck with them, its the same everywhere.

thanks for highlighting the voilence comment ruggie bear as i hadnt read that far but now i see some more interesting comments

you my friend SxE punk are a modern day robin hood character for beating up all the "yuppies" and "nackers" who insulted you in hope of enlightening them to the similarities between us all but instead all you do is reinforce all their prejudices they may have had in the first place.

generally fights take place becuse of the assholes involved not simply because of their differing backgrounds as it takes two to tango!

and wat kind of a place do you live where neighbours on oppisite sides of the road view eachother with distain and mistrust simply because of the road between them?? Do you live in a bad part of Belfast or something??

SpAcEd OuT

even worse.......blanchardstown the ghetto of ireland

SxE Punk

Sigh, first of all, I'm glad for the way I've had to grow up, you can stick your Blue Peter badge and your condescending bull**** up your ass superdub.

And I've been forced into fighting people, I'm not violent, and I'm rarely, only in extreme circumstances, the first person to throw a punch. But sometimes a fight is unavoidable, it just happens, I can take random insults being yelled at me, I've grown used it, its just a part of being different. But when someone physically interferes with me or my friends the gloves are off. And super dub, I never said the fights I've been in had anything to do with background, though I'm sorry, I can see how that may have been implied. To look at me or hear me speak you couldn't guess where I'm from, however you can tell right off the bat that I'm different just by looking at me, thats generally where the abuse comes from, and I'm not lookin for sympathy there either, I couldn't live my life any other way.

And I'm not really sure if Spaced Out was being being sarcastic or what there, but Blanchardstown, especially where I live, is very much a ghetto.

iregk

Sxe Punk I think whilst trying to convey the reasons for the divide you have just put forward yourself as a prime example of what people are talking about here when they are talking about skangers.

Your comment: "I've kicked the **** outta people from D4 to D15" showed your true class. Very well done.

SxE Punk

Just because I'm decent at fighting doesn't mean I like it. As I explained, it wasn't my choice to get into fights, it just happens. The only fights I've ever been in have been in self defense.

And please, don't call me a skanger or compare to one in any capacity. I find that highly offensive. I'm a punk(this is why I get **** for my appearance), so I don't look like a skanger. I don't have a particular Irish accent anymore, you can tell I'm from Ireland, but you couldn't pinpoint where from by hearing me, so I don't sound like a skanger, and I'm SxE, so I don't act like a skanger. I'm not anything like those people and I'm proud of it, so don't compare me to one please.

AARRRGH

SxE Punk, I'm sorry, but you're making yourself out to be a scumbag with a chip on his shoulder.

You don't think southsiders have it hard too? Imagine getting the **** kicked out of you just because you have a posh accent, imagine the horrendous pressure placed on your shoulders because your parents are rich and you're expected to make yourself rich too, imagine the pressure when you're expected to get 450+ points in your leaving cert.

Everywhere has it problems. Everyone has to fight to get where they want to go (you use violence, others have to use study etc.)

Take the stupid chip off your shoulder!

SxE Punk

Seriously man this is starting to get annoying. How many times need I explain to you that I don't start fights, I end up getting into them through circumstances beyond my control, before you people get it? I'm not gonna discuss that point anymore, unless you have exceptionally poor reading comprehension, or you are some how mentally disabled, it should be fairly easy for you to understand.

Besides which your point is ridiculous, what do you think? That north siders don't strive to get high points in their leaving cert and make a little scrilla in life? Not all people from the north side wanna spend their lives drinkin on the corner. Its just alot harder to acheive these things when you go to a crappy public school and live in a goddamn ghetto.

And as for using violence to solve my problems, another ridiculous point by the way, I only use violence to solve problems when violence against me becomes a problem. I didn't beat up my teachers and college admin officers to get where I am today, I used study too, believe it or not we unwashed heathens from the north side can read. Please, don't try to condescend me, you only embarrass yourself.

[Jackass]

Being from a poor or shit area dosen't make you a better person, or more deserving, or anything different. Having to fight for every penny, the working man! How noble...of course we all know the millionaires in D4 never did a days work in there life...they just didn't pay tax and it all built up in the bank :rolleyes:

Being from a wealthy area isn't something to be ashamed of.

Why would someone want to play down where they come from anyway? You are who you are, and it seems to me northsiders are the snobs with a chip on their shoulder who make an issue out of the whole thing...i've never found the need to abuse someone because of where they come from...if you're from D4 it's the first thing people mention (oohhh very posh!!).

If you're from, well, anywhere on the northside, i dont feel the need to say "Oooh scumbag" lol, only messing, but seriously, get over it...what's your problem? If you don't like these areas or people then don't associate with them.

Begrudgery lads that's all it is. Begrudgery.

And anybody who works hard for their leaving can do any course they want and loads of college goers are from public school!! The majority are! ...

Private schools have the same books and sit the same exam, so your "we don't have the oppertunitys" argument is out the door too!!

And even if you didn't get the same oppertunities as someone else, is that a reason to hate them? It's not their fault, and they didn't get them at your expense either...

Inferiority complex...I couldn't give a toss where you're from, and as for fighting people because of where they come from?? that makes you a scumbag regardless of where you're from.

SxE Punk

When did I say that I've even started a fight? Much less started one because of where someone is from? I sincerly hope you and dublindude didn't go to private school, because if you did, your Ebglish comprehension is disproving my argument all by itself

Sigh, the majority of college goers are from public schools because the majority of schools are public....I would've thought that was fairly obvious, again, please don't tell me you were private schooled.

Private school students are thought the same courses with the same text books, thats true. But they have better teachers, more resources, and lets face it, the study body the average public school doesn't exactly promote learning. Regardless of whether you went to a public(becoming more and more likely) or private school, tell me: how many drug dealers and car thieves was there in your year?

And when did I ever say I hated anyone based on anything? I said that I'm happy to have grown up how I did, and I pity the south siders that grew up in an ivory tower. I don't remember mentioning hate anywhere.

AARRRGH

SxE: the fact that you are a punk makes me think you are quite young.

Anyway, you have a total chip on your shoulder. You think you have had it so hard that it has made you a great person who can see things no one else can.

I have some news for you: NO ONE HAS AN EASY LIFE.

When you're a few years older you'll see you are being exceptionally naive.

Private schools certainly get better school results, and your chance of success in life is increased with a private school. Even simply for the contacts you make. But again, with private schools comes huge pressure. A friend of mine, with doctor brother and sisters, got 300 points in his leaving cert after a very expensive Blackrock College education. He simply is not the academic type. His entire family saw him as a failure, and the pressure on him has turned him into an angry little boy... Even nice private schools come with their problems.

Sxe Punk: I know nothing about you, but I would be confident to say I've had a more difficult life than you. Money has nothing to do with it.

SxE Punk

Oh no, the pressures of having an asshole family, poor guy. The only pressure on me while sitting my leaving cert was the thought of working in MacDonalds or dealing drugs or fencing stolen cars like most of my class mates for the rest of my life and raising my kids in the same kinda ghetto I grew up in, it was a fscking breeze though, I wasn't sweatin it at all, seriously.

/sarcasm

Yes I'm young, but I'm not immature. And I don't see what that has to do with anything anyway? Or how you managed to link being a punk with being young, thats a bit presumptuous on your part I think.

"No one has had an easy life". Thats all relative to the point of view of each person. To some people I've had an easy life, and then others couldn't fathom what its like to live like me. And I never said the fates favor the rich, I'm not trying to imply that bad things don't happen to rich people, I'm sure you've had some bad sh1t happen you, we all have. But you can't honestly be trying to argue that the life of the average person living in D4 is as hard the life of a person living in some ghetto ass suburb?

AARRRGH

WTF? Grow up man. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Money just stops you from being homeless. It doesn't stop you from being abused - mentally, physically, sexually.

Everyone recovers from not having a playstation as a child.

Stop pretending life in Dublin is ghetto like. Dubs are well off, even the poor ones. Becomming a drug dealer or homeless is a choice you make.

Everyone has problems growing up. Stop living in fantasy world. You are not some kind of hero who has struggled and now has god like vision. You're just another teenager who has no idea what he's talking about...

(PS I'm sure you're a lovely bloke. You're just coming across as someone with the worlds biggest chip on his shoulder.)

SxE Punk

I guess we'll just have to agree to leave it at that then. I could sit here refuting your points and have you say "well what would you know?" all the live long day. But we're going in circles really.

"It doesn't stop you from being abused - mentally, physically, sexually."

I just wanted to point out that I already said that. The fates don't favor the rich I believe was how I put it.

And although you never answered me, you actually are claiming that its as easy for someone growing up in poverty as it is for someone growing up in D4? Thats crazy man, seriously, you might wanna reconsider that one, everyone has problems growing up, some more so than others though ya know? Not having a playstation? How about wearing second hand clothes til you were about eight?

Anyway yeah, this isn't even on topic anymore, and its getting us nowhere, plus I'm sure you're a nice guy that I'd rather not have to argue with anyway, so lets just let that be the end of it?

AARRRGH

Sorry, my previous post sounded much more aggressive than I felt. Apologies.

Of course, having extra cash will make your life a tad easier. But it's really a minor issue.

I don't care where someone is from. I wish people would react that way towards Blackrock/the southside.

...

lodgepole

SxE Punk wrote:

Private school students are thought the same courses with the same text books, thats true. But they have better teachers, more resources, and lets face it, the study body the average public school doesn't exactly promote learning. Regardless of whether you went to a public(becoming more and more likely) or private school, tell me: how many drug dealers and car thieves was there in your year?

Interestingly in my area of the North Side the private school I attended and the public school closer to my house faired almost identically in the Irish Times survey last year. Most of my friends went to the public school, and by way of comparison the teachers there seemed better than the teachers I had (who ranged from poor to excellent). There is a bit of a myth about private schools actually being better than public... They aren't. We certainly had nicer facilities (a swimming pool... large playing fields...) but in terms of education all the tools required are present in any school. There were four drug dealers in my year, and several people who had certainly stolen cars at some point, though I don't know you could call them full time car thieves. They had no impact on my education.

As a serious question to you SxE Punk why did you think while doing your leaving cert that it may lead to a lifetime of working in McDonalds or dealing drugs? Attending college is based only on the number of points you get, your appearance and address wouldn't have come into it. I did my leaving cert seven years ago and am from a relatively well off part of the city, but most of my friends have only just gotten themselves settled into decently waged positions. We do our fair share of ****ty jobs for ****ty pay.

Zulu

SxE Punk wrote:

I've kicked the **** outta people from D4 to D15 and its always for the same reason, prejudice...

A hardman...

...and I've been forced into fighting people, I'm not violent, and I'm rarely, only in extreme circumstances, the first person to throw a punch...

...but a gentleman.

...just because I'm decent at fighting doesn't mean I like it...

...but hard.

Yes I'm young, but I'm not immature. And I don't see what that has to do with anything anyway? Or how you managed to link being a punk with being young, thats a bit presumptuous on your part I think.

I don't think its presumptuous at all; you come across as a young teenage boy. People link your thinking "fighting is cool" to immaturity, not being a "punk" - although I'm fairly sure thats all part of it too. ...and before you deny it you DO think its cool - otherwise you wouldn't have a) mentioned it, or b) defended it. Juast as a matter of interest, how old are you? I'm guessing 15/16.

...and please, don't call me a skanger or compare to one in any capacity.

You make yourself out to be one. Blame no one but yourself.

fly_agaric

Dublindude wrote:

Of course, having extra cash will make your life a tad easier. But it's really a minor issue...

...until you haven't got it! Then it becomes a big issue. Not having to worry about money is like having good health in that way - easily taken for granted.

Zulu

fly_agaric wrote:

...until you haven't got it! Then it becomes a big issue. Not having to worry about money is like having good health in that way - easily taken for granted.

Funny thing about money, eveyone worries about it. Everyone. If your rich, you'll be worried about making more/loosing what you've got. If your poor, you'll be worried about debts. Granted I'd rather be worrying about loosing my money, than my house, but it's always a worry.

Life is relative. I could be far more stressed and unhappy in my life struggleing to make millions, and upgrade my house to a period home in Ballsbridge, than a person living in a council house in Darndale. It's relative.

Personally I've lived on both sides of the liffey and experienced life on both sides of the liffey.




...Fingal rulez, ok!

fly_agaric

Zulu wrote:

Funny thing about money, eveyone worries about it. Everyone. If your rich, you'll be worried about making more/loosing what you've got. If your poor, you'll be worried about debts. Granted I'd rather be worrying about loosing my money, than my house, but it's always a worry. Life is relative. I could be far more stressed and unhappy in my life struggleing to make millions, and upgrade my house to a period home in Ballsbridge, than a person living in a council house in Darndale. It's relative.

I see what you are getting at...but if you are quite comfortable you have the option (I suppose it depends on your personality whether you will take it or not) to chill out a little and not worry so much about making more and more cash to fuel your lifestyle dreams.

If you have no money and the wolf is at the door you have no option but to worry about the stuff and what the lack of it means for you (and your family).

Zulu wrote:

Personally I've lived on both sides of the liffey and experienced life on both sides of the liffey.

...Fingal rulez, ok!

These threads are kind of sad aren't they? It's why I post in them!:D

Superdub2

SxE Punk wrote:

Seriously man this is starting to get annoying. How many times need I explain to you that I don't start fights, I end up getting into them through circumstances beyond my control, before you people get it? I'm not gonna discuss that point anymore, unless you have exceptionally poor reading comprehension, or you are some how mentally disabled, it should be fairly easy for you to understand.

Besides which your point is ridiculous, what do you think? That north siders don't strive to get high points in their leaving cert and make a little scrilla in life? Not all people from the north side wanna spend their lives drinkin on the corner. Its just alot harder to acheive these things when you go to a crappy public school and live in a goddamn ghetto.

And as for using violence to solve my problems, another ridiculous point by the way, I only use violence to solve problems when violence against me becomes a problem. I didn't beat up my teachers and college admin officers to get where I am today, I used study too, believe it or not we unwashed heathens from the north side can read. Please, don't try to condescend me, you only embarrass yourself.

no you dont start fights, you are just so unlucky that you constantly get inot them and you always win cuz, as you hav said, you are so good at fighting! what a quality to possess, unless you fight professionally? and im not condescending, just call it as i see it.

you "plight" reminds me of a Steven Siegal movie

Superdub2

fly_agaric wrote:

I see what you are getting at...but if you are quite comfortable you have the option (I suppose it depends on your personality whether you will take it or not) to chill out a little and not worry so much about making more and more cash to fuel your lifestyle dreams.

If you have no money and the wolf is at the door you have no option but to worry about the stuff and what the lack of it means for you (and your family).



These threads are kind of sad aren't they? It's why I post in them!:D

you dont have the option to "chill out" if thats the type of person you are, it is who you are and there is nothing you can do it. to suggest a person , while granted they may be well off, who worries about sustaining their current lifestyle or making more money who is a natural worrier can just "chill out" is ludicrious