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Theory on Locke *Do NOT open if you havent seen upto Season 2 Ep 12* .... *SPOILERS*

  • 07-02-2006 07:04AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭


    Big Spoilers upto Ep 212, Ahoy!











    Ok - in short: who thinks Locke is in cahoots with the Others/Tallies?

    I definitely saw something in his eyes when they had the confrontation recently


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    perhaps he recognised him from the images he saw in the monster just got a glimpse of the end of the series and I'd forgotten he already seen his version of what eko saw he could have had a preview of zeke...?


    actually im more convince of this, everyone said locke gave a look to/at zeke didn't he do the same with to Eko, and Desmond he seen them before cos he's the only to face up to and see the movie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Psycopat


    -i would be surprized if locke was working with the others

    -although its quite possible, he was certainly away from camp alot when he was hunting and working on the hatch.

    -he was certainly not on the island already as we have seen his past.

    -if you think about the episode where it shows analucia with the captured man who was trying to be one of them he seemed like a very religious person. when locke heard about the baptism of aaron he certainly was'nt on for it.

    -by the way we have seen locke in the past he does'nt come across as the most religious person, however he has huge beliefs in fate (charlies finger bandages(stood out to me in episode 12 in his dream)) such as the hatch, the button, him saying dont tell me what i cant do, and him saying we are all here for a reason.

    -we still dont know how he ended up in his wheelchair.

    -he is certainly my favourite charachter because of his depth.

    -in conclusion locke does seem to know alot more than everyone else about the island, although this could be down to his strong belief in fate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭X-Calibre


    I dont know if its just me but it seems like Lockes trying to keep Charlie away from Aaron. In Ep 12, Charlie is constantly trying to protect Aaron. Locke seems to know that Charlie knows something, and he keeps finding ways to stop Charlie from getting near Aaron(catching him with the statues of Mary). Charlie thinks Aaron is in danger; maybe the danger is something to do with Locke:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Franky Boy


    Maybe locke feels that his "dad" ****ed up his life and doesn't want charlie to do the same to Aaron.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Franky Boy wrote:
    Maybe locke feels that his "dad" ****ed up his life and doesn't want charlie to do the same to Aaron.


    That would make alot of sense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    Big Spoilers upto Ep 212, Ahoy!

    Ok - in short: who thinks Locke is in cahoots with the Others/Tallies?

    I definitely saw something in his eyes when they had the confrontation recently


    He has been out into the jungle a lot by himself....but I think its more about what Locke knows and wants to control and it seems he's following some kind of plan in terms of the whole 'everything happens for a reason thing', by being Claires guardian he entrusting Claire to him and so if he needs to use Aaron as a pawn of some sort then he'll probably have Claires backing.......something like that I see happening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    Maybe he wants Charlie alone and isolated for a reason. Locke could now convince Charlie to do something dangerous to prove himself and get back in with the rest of the survivors.
    Claire now trusts Locke more than anyone to look after her and Aaron, so maybe she might go along with whatever plans the baldy wanker has. Locke might be planning to use Aaron as bait to lure the Others/French chick out of hiding?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 385 ✭✭loon


    charlie wanted to protect aaron... by baptising him... as all children are born with original sin, baptism would save him. which ties in with the good old purgatory arguement, which everyone still thinks is wrong.

    however, with locke seemingly against the baptism and giving claire a crap explaination about what a baptism was... one must surely reconsider...

    MAN OF FAITH?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ivan


    We do know how Locke ended up in a wheel chair. It was after complications of giving up his liver or whatever to his father.

    I think a lot of people see John Locke as a somewhat evil guy but I would tend to have to disagree. While I think he definitely hides his motives alot, I still believe they are generally for the greater good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭PullMyFinger!


    Ivan wrote:
    We do know how Locke ended up in a wheel chair. It was after complications of giving up his liver or whatever to his father.

    We dont know that for sure.

    After seeing the end of 2x14 Im more sure than ever that Locke is in on "something" seperate from the rest of the group. Maybe the the Others and Dharma.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Derek C.


    Think back to the earliest episodes. Locke sits on the beach grining at the sky as it rains down on him as if he is happy to be alive from the plane crash.

    In my opinion I don't think he is grinning because he is alive, or that he has his legs back. I think he had a hand in the plane crashing beside the island. I think he heard of the experiments goin on on this island and wanted desperatly to get there. I don't think he is in cahoots with the others but i do believe he knew they were coming to the island.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 199 ✭✭fun bus


    Derek C. wrote:
    Think back to the earliest episodes. Locke sits on the beach grining at the sky as it rains down on him as if he is happy to be alive from the plane crash.

    In my opinion I don't think he is grinning because he is alive, or that he has his legs back. I think he had a hand in the plane crashing beside the island. I think he heard of the experiments goin on on this island and wanted desperatly to get there. I don't think he is in cahoots with the others but i do believe he knew they were coming to the island.

    VERY interesting!! never considered that! im a huge locke fan, but hane always believed hes not all good. hes out for his own best interests at the end of the day. he really has a few psychopathic tendencies and is playing the whole thing as a game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Derek C. wrote:
    Think back to the earliest episodes. Locke sits on the beach grining at the sky as it rains down on him as if he is happy to be alive from the plane crash.

    In my opinion I don't think he is grinning because he is alive, or that he has his legs back. I think he had a hand in the plane crashing beside the island. I think he heard of the experiments goin on on this island and wanted desperatly to get there. I don't think he is in cahoots with the others but i do believe he knew they were coming to the island.

    I really like the sound of this. I mean a suitcase of knifes??? Who brings that many knifes on a plane? Maybe he was told that if he helped bring the plane to the island then he would be given the ability to walk again? (the experiments on the island might have given him this ability)

    He brought the knifes as he knew he would need them for survival...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭seabee


    This is probably totally unrelated but I just saw the title of the thread and thought this might be a suitable place to post this:
    John Locke (b. 1632, d. 1704) was a British philosopher, Oxford academic and medical researcher........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    Derek C. wrote:
    Think back to the earliest episodes. Locke sits on the beach grining at the sky as it rains down on him as if he is happy to be alive from the plane crash.

    In my opinion I don't think he is grinning because he is alive, or that he has his legs back. I think he had a hand in the plane crashing beside the island. I think he heard of the experiments goin on on this island and wanted desperatly to get there. I don't think he is in cahoots with the others but i do believe he knew they were coming to the island.

    Now that I can dig... wouldn't curprise me. I love Locke, whereas I've grown to dislike alot of the other characters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Derek C.


    Another reason on Locke is this............

    When Jack asks Charlie what he thinks of Locke very early on Charlie replies

    "No offence but if there is one person on this Island I trust to save all of us, it's JOHN LOCKE."

    If that isn't a blatent signpost saying "DON'T TRUST LOCKE" then I'd be shocked. The looks he gave everyone as they sat in his seat on the plane too suggests something more than just a man embarassed by his situation.

    I suggest everyone watch the first few episodes again and I bet they have a lot of clues buried into meaningless conversations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 385 ✭✭loon


    i too think that locke is happy to be alive.. and to have his legs back.. its not until he looks into the black smoke that he gets wierd.. going on to my dharma thread...

    The word 'Buddha' means 'Awakened One'; someone who has awakened from the sleep of ignorance and who sees things as they really are. A Buddha is a person who has become completely free from all faults. There are many people who have become Buddhas in the past and many people who will become Buddhas in the future...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭PullMyFinger!


    Derek C. wrote:
    Another reason on Locke is this............

    When Jack asks Charlie what he thinks of Locke very early on Charlie replies

    "No offence but if there is one person on this Island I trust to save all of us, it's JOHN LOCKE."

    If that isn't a blatent signpost saying "DON'T TRUST LOCKE" then I'd be shocked. The looks he gave everyone as they sat in his seat on the plane too suggests something more than just a man embarassed by his situation.

    Interesting observations there. I'll keep an eye out for them when I re-watch Season 1 in full in May (just before I watch the finale of Season 2 ;))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭deman


    Derek C. wrote:
    Think back to the earliest episodes. Locke sits on the beach grining at the sky as it rains down on him as if he is happy to be alive from the plane crash.

    In my opinion I don't think he is grinning because he is alive, or that he has his legs back. I think he had a hand in the plane crashing beside the island. I think he heard of the experiments goin on on this island and wanted desperatly to get there. I don't think he is in cahoots with the others but i do believe he knew they were coming to the island.

    Nonsense. John Locke was on that plane because of the failed "Walkabout" trip. It's true that Locke is full of mystery but I can't see how he would've known about the plane crashing in advance.

    Locke is definitely my favourite character but I think that something dramatic will happen soon that will change Locke into someone nasty and unpredictable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭PullMyFinger!


    deman wrote:

    Locke is definitely my favourite character but I think that something dramatic will happen soon that will change Locke into someone nasty and unpredictable.
    If the rumour mill is true "something dramatic" will be happening in the next episode, apparently the hatch is going to turn on Locke


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭PullMyFinger!


    Who was with Ethan the first time we meet him? Yup, Locke ;) They were hunting together

    Ethan.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭PullMyFinger!


    I still havent come across a screencap of the "look" Locke gave but now that RTE viewers have caught up with us maybe they could give their thoughts.

    I watched it again last night and saw the same "knowing" look between Locke and Zeke. Close to a smirk even.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭deman


    Just had a look at it myself too. Couldn't see that look you're talking about. Just a look of someone trying to remain calm and collective. Maybe I'm wrong.
    Irish Spoiler(ish)--
    Maybe this is why Zeke has the beard to that the losties don't recognise him on their chance encounters.

    We'll probably see a lot more off Zeke in flashbacks in the future. (flashbacks in the future!??! erm... well, you know what I mean, don't you?)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    Eh? Don't know why he'd do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭deman


    Eh? Don't know why he'd do that.

    Who and what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭doh.ie


    I've never bought into this 'look' that Locke supposedly gives Zeke either. I think it's imagined. He may appear calm and collected, but that's more to do with him wanting to use the opportunity to learn as much about the Others as possible, I reckon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Psycopat


    I dont think locke is with the others, but if he is he would have met up with them on the island. He was in a wheelchair lets not forget and he is on the flight for that very reason as he's leaving australia so i cant see how hbe would know the others


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Psycopat


    I dont think locke is with the others, but if he is he would have met up with them on the island. He was in a wheelchair lets not forget and he is on the flight for that very reason as he's leaving australia so i cant see how hbe would know the others


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Psycopat


    I dont think locke is with the others, but if he is he would have met up with them on the island. He was in a wheelchair lets not forget and he is on the flight for that very reason as he's leaving australia so i cant see how he would know the others


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    All right, all right, we believe you!


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