Anybody else push here:

Hitman Actual

Last nights Fitz 50+50 scalps game.

Hand 1: Blinds 150/300. My stack ~6K, villains stack ~4.5K
Villain in MP raises to 900, I'm next to act with AKo and push for 6K. Villain is a loose calling station, and there is practically 0% chance of a fold.
Good/bad push?

Hand 2: Blinds 500/1000. My stack ~11K.
I'm in MP with 4 players to act, including blinds. I have KJs and push. Good/bad push?

The outcome of each doesn't matter, I'm just curious to see how other people play these two situations.

fuzzbox

Both seem good to me.

Daithio

I push here. If he's that loose there is a very good chance you're ahead and have a decent chance of doubling up.

Culchie

lenny_leonard wrote:

Last nights Fitz 50+50 scalps game.

Hand 1: Blinds 150/300. My stack ~6K, villains stack ~4.5K
Villain in MP raises to 900, I'm next to act with AKo and push for 6K. Villain is a loose calling station, and there is practically 0% chance of a fold.
Good/bad push?

Hand 2: Blinds 500/1000. My stack ~11K.
I'm in MP with 4 players to act, including blinds. I have KJs and push. Good/bad push?

The outcome of each doesn't matter, I'm just curious to see how other people play these two situations.

First one is fine based on your read, experience of player etc....

Not mad on that second push to be honest.

NickyOD

Hand 1 push.
Hand 2. 3K raise.

Trippie

A push with KJ seems a bit excessive because against the type of hands that can call you i can't see KJ pre-flop beating any of them.

A 3k raise as nicky says seems the right thing to do as you will have position on everyone except the button & even if you get one caller you will still be left with a decent amount of chips to push on the flop

ianmc38

Trippie wrote:

A push with KJ seems a bit excessive because against the type of hands that can call you i can't see KJ pre-flop beating any of them.

A 3k raise as nicky says seems the right thing to do as you will have position on everyone except the button & even if you get one caller you will still be left with a decent amount of chips to push on the flop

1. Push.
2. Raise

califano

Hand 1: push.
Hand 2: no need to get involved.

I was at that mad game last night.

fuzzbox

NickyOD wrote:

Hand 1 push.
Hand 2. 3K raise.

In hand 2 ... are you folding a push?

RoundTower

lenny_leonard wrote:

Last nights Fitz 50+50 scalps game.

Hand 1: Blinds 150/300. My stack ~6K, villains stack ~4.5K
Villain in MP raises to 900, I'm next to act with AKo and push for 6K. Villain is a loose calling station, and there is practically 0% chance of a fold.
Good/bad push?

If villain is really a calling station then he doesn't raise a lot and has AA or KK here 90% of the time. If you just mean he is loose and will call with many marginal hands, then easy push.

Second one I probably push, maybe fold. I really don't like making it 3k and folding to a push getting 2-1 from the pot.

Hectorjelly

Both seem standard, the 10BB push rule is really only a guideline.

Hitman Actual

The only reason I posted the first hand was because I was wondering if the fact that you have no folding equity makes a difference. Villains range here is 99+ and AJo+, which makes me only a marginal favourite.

The second hand is marginal, I think. Perhaps Nicky's line of a 3BB raise is better, because at this stage of the Friday tournament (25 players left), a 3K raise would be enough to steal the blinds, which is what I'm trying to do here with KJs. I'm always going to be behind if I get called in this spot.

First hand I got called by TT, second hand by AJo. I lost both, not that it really matters.

rounders123 wrote:

I was at that mad game last night.

Which table were you on, rounders.

jtsuited

1. push
2. raise and then be prepared for a horribly awkward situation if you are reraised. i think it really depends on the type of players that are left to act behind you.

califano

lenny_leonard wrote:

Which table were you on, rounders.

Table on top of the stairs at the bannister for 2 hands hand1 a big huge guy tried to make the dealer look bad with remarks. Got moved to ionapauls table further on down for a few hands, then got moved to Kevins(grey haired quippie humourous remark guy) table beside the dealers break room and went all in utg last hand before the break. Were you on any of these?

Hitman Actual

rounders123 wrote:

then got moved to Kevins(grey haired quippie humourous remark guy) table beside the dealers break room and went all in utg last hand before the break. Were you on any of these?

I was in seat 4 at that table, but I dont recall you, sorry!

Table 4 for the rest of the night. A real friendly table, with Margaret, Marie and Chris seated side by side (three of the real ladies of the Fitz!). I think there were a couple of boardsters there, but I never got a chance to ask.

califano

lenny_leonard wrote:

I was in seat 4 at that table, but I dont recall you, sorry!

Table 4 for the rest of the night. A real friendly table, with Margaret, Marie and Chris seated side by side (three of the real ladies of the Fitz!). I think there were a couple of boardsters there, but I never got a chance to ask.

Ok. I was to the dealers right opposite the guy who called an all-in bet with 67 and got qual 6's. I was never involved in a pot till the last hand before the break that is probably why you didnt notice me!!. Worst tournament ever for me.

EARMUFFS

lenny_leonard wrote:

I was in seat 4 at that table, but I dont recall you, sorry!

Table 4 for the rest of the night. A real friendly table, with Margaret, Marie and Chris seated side by side (three of the real ladies of the Fitz!). I think there were a couple of boardsters there, but I never got a chance to ask.

Lenny i think i was beside you at that table. Minimum raise AA and suckered me in with 88??

Samba

Hand 1. For me personally, I want to see a flop before committing, you still have 20 bb's and are in decent shape. I am not a fan of pushing pre-flop with AK it's a drawing hand, the best you can hope for is to be up against a hand you have dominted or it's a coin flip.

If the flop comes A/K high and the player is as bad as you say, you are probably still getting paid by 1010 here if you can put on a weak act

Hand two: Put in a blind stealing raise and see how the players behind react.

By pushing effectively you take the play out of the hand, you can still win the pot with the worst hand by raising and betting out the flop providing you are flat called

Hitman Actual

rounders123 wrote:

Ok. I was to the dealers right opposite the guy who called an all-in bet with 67 and got qual 6's. I was never involved in a pot till the last hand before the break that is probably why you didnt notice me!!. Worst tournament ever for me.

Yeah, remember you now; to say you were playing tight would be an understatement, but understandable if you were running so cold!

EARMUFFS wrote:

Lenny i think i was beside you at that table. Minimum raise AA and suckered me in with 88??

Hmm, I dont do min raises... are you talking about table 4 or the table beside the dealers rest area? I did have AA early on, but I won with a bet on the flop and never showed, afair.

Gholimoli

hand one:
deffo a push here esp with the read you have on villian.
the more you know he is likely to call the more i would like a push here.

hand 2:
depends on the stack sizes of the ppl left o act behind you.
if any of them has even half your stack i would not push here as you will only get called by a hand that has you beat and more than likely has you dominated.
you have 11K and there is no reason o push with with 4ppl left to act.(not even one person left to act to be honest if that one person has a big enough stack)
if any body is going to fold they will fold to a 4BB raise just as well as they would to a push.

Hitman Actual

Gholimoli wrote:

hand 2:
depends on the stack sizes of the ppl left o act behind you.
if any of them has even half your stack i would not push here as you will only get called by a hand that has you beat and more than likely has you dominated.
you have 11K and there is no reason o push with with 4ppl left to act.(not even one person left to act to be honest if that one person has a big enough stack)
if any body is going to fold they will fold to a 4BB raise just as well as they would to a push.

Various stack sizes left, but no one has less than about 8K. And the 11K push would really hurt the bigger stacks (one big stack stated that he folded a small pair, 55, I think). This hand is annoying me, tbh; I dont think I should have pushed.

Gholimoli

lenny_leonard wrote:

Various stack sizes left, but no one has less than about 8K. And the 11K push would really hurt the bigger stacks (one big stack stated that he folded a small pair, 55, I think). This hand is annoying me, tbh; I dont think I should have pushed.

the higher the stack sizes the worse a push would be come here.again you will only get called by a hand better than yours and if that happens to be the 8K stack then boom.
ive gone out on the bubble alot of times pushing with these hands when there was no need .ive learnt my lesson though.;)

fixer

rounders123 wrote:

Table on top of the stairs at the bannister for 2 hands hand1 a big huge guy tried to make the dealer look bad with remarks.

Was this having to do with the exposed hole card dealt to the button that the dealer tried to claim the player flipped over?

califano

fixer wrote:

Was this having to do with the exposed hole card dealt to the button that the dealer tried to claim the player flipped over?

No. The T.D called out "Deal to 8 players"(could have been9), there were a couple of absent player stacks at the table. The Big huge guy rightly wanted cards dealt to the absent player stacks aswell but the dealer done as he was told and skipped the absent plyr stack. The dealer told him he thought he heard TD say deal to 8 players which is why he skipped the absent plyr stacks. The BHG turned into a rule book getting on the dealer about this in a condecending way. I piped up to the BHG that actually i heard the same thing as the dealer but when T.D was asked what the case was he then said "deal to all stacks, all stacks". The BHG was feeling all nice and contented but i told him barely concealing my contempt "even though your right the dealer was only doing as he was told" knocking him off his squashed horse.

fuzzbox

Samba wrote:

Hand 1. For me personally, I want to see a flop before committing, you still have 20 bb's and are in decent shape. I am not a fan of pushing pre-flop with AK it's a drawing hand, the best you can hope for is to be up against a hand you have dominted or it's a coin flip.

If you have to pay a very high price to see a flop, then this is not a good play. In this case you pay 900 to see a flop (which is 15% of your stack).

If villain is likely to call off his stack with AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ ... basically anything, then you are a big favourite Vs his range of hands very often, and you are very rarely a big underdog, so you should push.

If the flop comes A/K high and the player is as bad as you say, you are probably still getting paid by 1010 here if you can put on a weak act

But you might let AQ off easily on a K-high flop, or you might get bluffed out by AQ on a 9-high flop.

Hand two: Put in a blind stealing raise and see how the players behind react.

By pushing effectively you take the play out of the hand, you can still win the pot with the worst hand by raising and betting out the flop providing you are flat called

I believe, that if you raise, that you are pretty much committed, so you should go ahead and push ... just in case anybody might think that you can lay your hand down to a reraise.

Samba

Hand 1. For me personally

That's my style of play