Best non-combat Martial Art?

Owen

I've previously trained with TaeKwon-Do in the past for 4 years, and loved every minute of it, and I can handle myself in a fight, however, I don't like fighting, and never have. The agressive confrontation is what puts me off.

What I'd like to learn, is a Martial Art, which focuses on pinning and holding a subject, essentially embarassing them into not fighting. Any suggestions?

Owen.

aoa321

An unusual request, a non-combat martial art .... you could try the ancient art of "discussion", it sounds like the kind of thing you are looking for.

Colm_OReilly

Owen,

Welcome to the SD/MA forum!

To answer your question, I think you are confusing the aggression experience in a 'street fight' versus that in a 'competitive spar'. One is malicious intent, the other is sporting aggresion, the desire to win. Go train in any decent MMA/BJJ club and it can look like the guys are frantically trying to rip each other's heads off at first but right after the fight they're both smiling and chatting about what one another did and how the match went.

As far as looking for a non combatative art, any art, in order to be successful, has to have a sparring element against a resisting opponent with a limited amount of rules in order to translate to the real world. Also, in a competition the physiological response is the same as a street fight, it's basically an andrenaline dump. The difference is in the psychological response and attitude.

I hope that clears things up. Basically what I'm trying to say is the vast majority of people in combat sports are not thugs who enjoy beating the head s off people but rather enjoy the competitive nature of the sport and the struggle found in it.

Short answer, for pinning and holding, wrestling, BJJ, Judo, MMA classes will give you those things, and more.

Colm

loz

ned78 wrote:

Ipinning and holding a subject, essentially embarassing them into not fighting. Any suggestions?

I think the letting go bit would be most fun in that situation !

Owen

loz wrote:

I think the letting go bit would be most fun in that situation !

Hrm, I'd have thought a quiet whisper in the ear along the lines of "I could break your nose/arm now, but I'm not going to, I'm going to release you and we'll both walk away, but if you throw another punch, I will embarass you in front of your friends, and neither of us want that" kind of approach.

loz

ned78 wrote:

Hrm, I'd have thought a quiet whisper in the ear along the lines of "I could break your nose/arm now, but I'm not going to, I'm going to release you and we'll both walk away, but if you throw another punch, I will embarass you in front of your friends, and neither of us want that" kind of approach.

LOL - can't see it happening.

pearsquasher

ned78,

From my experience and from reading about them, classical jujutsu schools, out of which judo and aikido were derived, put emphasise on the sort of non-confrontational ideas you seem to be getting at.

I think if you were looking for the kind of thing that say, people who have to deal with violent mental patients, prisoners etc need then they'd be a good place to start. I know a mental health nurse who showed me some ideas that she uses all the time on her job and they're very non-confrontational and controlling and they come from jujutsu - afterall, you don;t necessarily want to hurt the patient/prisoner. I don't think "embarrasing" someone into submission comes into it.. more like breaking their fighting spirit, which i've had to do on occasion myself.

I would suggest then to look up classical "jujutsu" clubs first and ask about how they fit with what you're thinking . I'm sure some chinese martial arts have similar ideas but couldn't tell you much about them. I believe Aikido takes this idea to a focused almost artistic level but by all accounts it takes quite a while to master to a level you could use practically (according to my father who studied it for 4 years). In the end though, the more you do a martial art that emphasises non-confrontational virtues, the less likely you will be in a position to need it, unless you work in the secucurity industry. Its sort of a paradox of a good martial artist that they never really need to use it.... in my opinion.

MaxBax

ned78 wrote:

Hrm, I'd have thought a quiet whisper in the ear along the lines of "I could break your nose/arm now, but I'm not going to, I'm going to release you and we'll both walk away, but if you throw another punch, I will embarass you in front of your friends, and neither of us want that" kind of approach.

is the aim of this approach to make you look more attractive to the oppoiste sex? or does type of thing give you a hard on regardless? Sonuds like you want to be the next Steven Segal. And we all know what happened to him when his mouth got too big for his inflated ego.

Owen

MaxBax wrote:

is the aim of this approach to make you look more attractive to the oppoiste sex? or does type of thing give you a hard on regardless? Sonuds like you want to be the next Steven Segal. And we all know what happened to him when his mouth got too big for his inflated ego.

Mighty. Just the mature reply I was looking for to a question asked openly and honestly. I'll go to a non-trolling forum now thank you very much. G'luck!

MaxBax

Sorry It's my honest opinion. You want to improve your skillz so you can have this aura of badassness. Am i wrong?

columok

Ned78,

sounds very much like you wanting to be able to assert power over someone else. Even your use of the word embarrassing them into stopping is more about subjugation and humiliation rather than non-confrontation.

Anyhoo I think you'll find what you're looking for in either wrestling or judo. If you're more interested in an eastern martial art I'd recommend Judo. It works and is proven to work at ridiculously high levels of competition, Its lots of fun, Its excellent exercise and it still has that bit of tradition that you might like. Judo responses can range from swift and brutal to gentle and firm depending on the situation.

Anyway hope that helps,

Colum

fianna.5u.com

Fighting isnt for everyone. If you dont like fighting take up breakdancing or rollerblading. I mean there a hundreds and hundreds of sports out there, there will be one that you dont have to comprimise, on that suits your perfectly.

Oh yeah, if you ever get good at any combat sport, judo, wrestling what ever, you'll be emacipated from the shakels of insecurity and your question will become redundant - pretty good just by trainng for a couple of years WAH!!!

Personally I strive to have fights that are full of peace and love.

Peace

columok

Will ya listen to Genki over here...:D

Pro. F

This is unbelievable.
somebody expresses a wish to learn non-violent self defence and they get accussed of wanting a power trip and advised to take up some other sport (as if martial arts is only a sport!).

ned78,
-if you're still watching this thread-
i'd suggest judo. it has a strong emphasis on non-violence & it's quite effective.

columok

This is unbelievable.
somebody expresses a wish to learn non-violent self defence and they get accussed of wanting a power trip and advised to take up some other spo

Not really. Read what the guy wrote. Theres a not so underlying theme there of wanting to domineer and subjugate an attacker. MaxBax said it somewhat crudely and harshly but fundamentally the guy was right. Ned there doesnt want to be able to defend himseld and go... he wants to be able to humiliate his attacker in front of his friends. Appear like a badass in front of a crowd. Have an aura. Its all there. I used to want the same thing tbh.

Real peace would be getting out of there not teaching some kind of lesson under threat of further violence. Thats something else entirely and saying that its non-confrontational is rubbish.

Millionaire

I read about and often wanted to try some of the less know Internal Kung Fu styles like Hsing-I or Pa Kua (excuse spelling).

saw a documentary on the years back and they looked interesting.

Colm_OReilly

Pro. F

I side with Columok on this one, and anyone who knows me and Columok knows I don't like to do this very often!

Hrm, I'd have thought a quiet whisper in the ear along the lines of "I could break your nose/arm now, but I'm not going to, I'm going to release you and we'll both walk away, but if you throw another punch, I will embarass you in front of your friends, and neither of us want that" kind of approach.

This does suggest wanting to be someone who appears as a superior force to those around him without putting in the work, and unfortunately the ma community seems to propagate this mysticism and magic for a lot of people.

Colm