Testosterone

i do some work as a personal trainer and I just got a client who takes shots of testosterone. The funny thing is he takes only 1 shot a week.
Now Ive told him, as its weight loss he's interested in to kick his shot until my 6 week program is finished. anyway what i am interested in knowing is what are the benefits of 1 shot per week if any and what are the drawbacks?

Im not looking for general steroid advice just on this particular dosage

Dragan

Taking one shot? **** all to be honest. Depending on how many mil the shot is he may be taking just as much as his body is actually producing, while the very fact that he is taking it will be shutting down his natural production, maybe a little, maybe completely. Basically the benefits to one shot a week are **** all, the draw backs are lowered natural production and maybe a little bit of extra oestrogen.

nick23

Is there any natural way to lower estrogen in ur body or is it all based on shots and so on?

t-ha

Is it prescribed by a doctor or is he taking it as a muscle building aid? If the guy is taking test by himself with a blatant lack of prior research then he deserves small balls and moobs. The fact that he's interested in weight loss means he's presumably over-weight which I would take as a sign that he's not taking much. In fact, the impression I'm getting from your post (and forgive me if I'm being overly assumptious) is that he doesn't really know what he's doing and whatever he's taking could well be fake.

And as Dragan said, the number of shots is meaningless without dosage info. Just tell him to come off and have some Nolvadex on hand just in case. That's as much info as I feel comfortable dishing out on this topic (and just so you know I don't use AAS myself, so it's up to you if you're happy to use my recommendations or not).

Edit: Nick23, yes, avoid processed soy products which contain phytoestrogenic soy isoflavones that bind with the same receptors, and may act as, estrogen in the body. Eat brocolli, cauliflower and those things that look sort of like a green mix between cauliflower & brocolli (sorry - brain not working today) as they are all anti-estrogenic. As a minimum, blanch your non-organically produced vegetables (it's better than nothing) as many chemicals used in pesticides are also under suspicion for acting in an estrogen-like manner within the body. Non-organic meat may also be to blame as livestock are given extrageneous hormone shots and anti-biotics (No data has PROVEN that any of these make it into humans through meat consumption - but that doesn't mean they don't) although this is mainly a US problem as their cattle are largely fed on corn maize.

You can also keep your testosterone levels up naturally by getting enough sleep, enough calories, enough fats (about an equal amount of sat/mono/poly), and enough vits & minerals (in particular I've personally found that ZMA supplementation is fantastic).

nick23

Thanks. I really dont think i eat enough vegetables at all. The only thing would really be something like potatoes

Dragan

Dragan wrote:

Taking one shot? **** all to be honest. Depending on how many mil the shot is he may be taking just as much as his body is actually producing, while the very fact that he is taking it will be shutting down his natural production, maybe a little, maybe completely. Basically the benefits to one shot a week are **** all, the draw backs are lowered natural production and maybe a little bit of extra oestrogen.

Well intially this is what i thought, but I wasnt aware that it could lower natural production.! Nick, I think basically the guy was ill advised on the subject.
He also takes a shot of HGH once a day, maybe you guys could enlighten me on that stuff also. He says after 3 weeks he has noticed the improvements and people have mentioned he looks younger etc.

anyway thanks for the advice

Dragan

If he's taking Human Growth Hormone AND test then he is probably going through some sort of wellness clinic, more than likely States based. I don't really know where he would go about picking it up in Ireland. Am i wrong to assume this guy is a high earner????

The HGH has been shown to do great things for anti aging, dropping bodyfat by about 8 percent and upping lean muscle by about 14%, and thats all with **** all work.

At one shot there will not be any sides worth worry about that i can think off.

This is all in thailand although this guy is also irish.
His mate reccomended it to him because he got results. He is quite well off yes, he mentioned that the stuff was expensive.

Initially what i said for him to do was stop the test and keep going with the HGH, i think good advice -

t-ha

Eh, Nick... just thought I'ld add to that list - drinking alot of alcohol is not good for your estrogen/testosterone ratio either. Alcohol in the blood immediately drops testosterone levels, and it's suppression of liver function afterwards lowers the amount of testosterone your body handles before converting to estrogen. I read a study somewhere that found protein synthesis was lowered for up to three days after consuming a six-pack of beer.

Remeber that joke about beer turning you into a women (talking BS, drving bad etc. - it was very funny )..... well anyway it turns out it's more or less true

Dragan

To be honest, if he is in Thailand the stuff he will be getting will either be very very good, or fake. One or the other.

Two good names will be British Dragon and British Dispensary , or for the HGH Jintropin. I don't use anything like that, but i do like to study up on it and all in all, these guys do good products.

t-ha

Deleted User wrote:

This is all in thailand although this guy is also irish.
His mate reccomended it to him because he got results. He is quite well off yes, he mentioned that the stuff was expensive.

Initially what i said for him to do was stop the test and keep going with the HGH, i think good advice -

It depends on how much he's taking - it could be just to bring his free test levels up to normal. You can ask your GP to have those levels tested.

Dragan

t-ha wrote:

It depends on how much he's taking - it could be just to bring his free test levels up to normal. You can ask your GP to have those levels tested.

A very worthwhile thing for most blokes to do as well. Especially gym goers.

t-ha

...or just find a girl who you know for a fact isn't really all that. Now ask yourself..... wouldjya?

ANSWER
A. Wild dogs couldn't stop me! (your levels are high!)
B. Immediately gets excited just reading this post and hides in embaressment (you're 17)
C. Might, but I'm not ringing her after (normal)
D. Not a chance (levels are low, this is a clear case of thinking with your head which all gym going men must strive to avoid! )

base2

Is boosting your testosterone actually a healthy thing to do. Even using stuff like ZMA.

I've tried it and I feel very on the edge lately. Hasnt helped that my gilfriend is abroad for 6 months, but I just feel a little bit crazy now.

Dragan

Nothing wrong at all with boosting your test, but at the end of the day you are messing with your hormonal levels and that can lead to some interesting things, like being a tad more aggressive and energetic, far more sexual desire etc.

I don;t think ZMA will have such a major effect on natural test levels though. unless you were very low beforehand.

nick23

t-ha wrote:

Eh, Nick... just thought I'ld add to that list - drinking alot of alcohol is not good for your estrogen/testosterone ratio either. Alcohol in the blood immediately drops testosterone levels, and it's suppression of liver function afterwards lowers the amount of testosterone your body handles before converting to estrogen. I read a study somewhere that found protein synthesis was lowered for up to three days after consuming a six-pack of beer.

Remeber that joke about beer turning you into a women (talking BS, drving bad etc. - it was very funny )..... well anyway it turns out it's more or less true

During the summer i'd usually go for a night of heavy drinkin about 2 r 3 times a week. Over the past 4 months i'd go out for one heavy night a week but now after the christmas im trying to drop it to about once every 2 weeks. A usual night consisits of mainly lager and now and again some alco pops.

Is cutting it down to about once every 2 weeks ok? What would be the least fattening and estrogen enducing thing to drink?

t-ha

nick23 wrote:

During the summer i'd usually go for a night of heavy drinkin about 2 r 3 times a week. Over the past 4 months i'd go out for one heavy night a week but now after the christmas im trying to drop it to about once every 2 weeks. A usual night consisits of mainly lager and now and again some alco pops.

Is cutting it down to about once every 2 weeks ok? What would be the least fattening and estrogen enducing thing to drink?

Water . Seriously, there's no 'great' drink - but alco-pops are terrible drinks:mad: . I don't drink every week (shut up joejoem ), but when I do I stick with pints, dance off the extra kcals, avoid the chippers on the way home, drink lots of water, maybe have a bit of cottage cheese too - and deal with the extra recovery times.

+ beer is a diuretic so I look jacked the next morning!

You can take whey isolate (can't be denatured) or N-acetyl-cystine before going out. They both raise glutathione levels and protect the liver from some of the oxidative damage of drinking. This must be done before you start drinking, and be aware that it's not a free ticket to booze as much as you want either.

....compromise between fitness & fun basically.

cheeky_guy

Hi im just about to start taking 'testosterone' amongst other things as part of a erm 'cycle'. Testosterone is a natural product in the body but if you do not focus the energy it give you, it can drive you crazy. That is why you should be under guidance so you can take your temper out during your workout for max gains.

HGH is a completly differant story. Can cause swelling of the brain after the first couple of doses and if it does, STOP!! Test is one thing but forcing your body into growth spurts is another. Better off not to go near it.

And as for anti estrogens just take 'Clomid' which you also take at the end of a steroid cycle. Good cheap tablets and they are exactly qwhat your looking for.

Dragan

cheeky_guy wrote:

Hi im just about to start taking 'testosterone' amongst other things as part of a erm 'cycle'. Testosterone is a natural product in the body but if you do not focus the energy it give you, it can drive you crazy. That is why you should be under guidance so you can take your temper out during your workout for max gains.

Dear god help me, and you are actually going to do a cycle???? I would suggest you study up on the hormonal changes that your gonna go through, and all the sides. As for your "testosterone" i can only assume your doing AAS and not actual test injections? Ever try training natural???

HGH is a completly differant story. Can cause swelling of the brain after the first couple of doses and if it does, STOP!! Test is one thing but forcing your body into growth spurts is another. Better off not to go near it.

Yes, swelling of the brain, this is why Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman are all dead.....oh wait.......there not. Sure, it can cuase unusual head growth, jaw growth, growth of the internal organs and hands and feet as well as muscle hypertrophy but you would need to be on some serious dosages to suffer such sides. Why do you think HGH is readily available in "Wellness" clincis now?

cheeky_guy

Hey calm down there Dragan, i said it COULD cause swelling of the brain i didnt say it killed everyone who took it.

Yea i am starting on a cycle, actually ive just started the orals and im waiting on something else to arrive. I know test can drive you a bit mad but i dont think its anything that bad to worry about. Also mixing Deca with it if you know what that is. If you have any advise for me id be glad to hear it.

Have tried natural training but cant get past the plateu lol.

I dont know what AAS means!

Dragan

cheeky_guy wrote:

I dont know what AAS means!

To be honest dude you pretty much summed it up right there. You also said that brain growth can occur after the first few doses , which it doesn't.

But hey, lets not have that argument here.

If your on an oral then be careful of the added effects on your liver and drink plenty of water a day to keep them flushed, a lot more than even health fanatics go for , be prepared for two main sides from Deca, one being a lack of libido ( even with all the extra test, the second being flu like symptoms at times ).

If your on any sort of cycle make sure you take in at least 1000 extra calories a day, your gonna need them.

Let me be completely clear as well, i don't hold with using gear, just not my bag, but if your gonna do it then do is safe.

cheeky_guy

Hey thanks Dragan thats good advice there. Its a 10 week cycle and the orals are only for 5 so im not too concerned about the liver. I take vitiman tablets aswell though, high performance off bodybuilding.com, is it advisable do you think to give them up for the time being? And i have already ordered protein powder to go with the cycle. is this ok?

Cheers!

Dragan

They should all be fine on the cycle dude. The vitamins and things will help keep your immune system up and fight some of the worse sides from teh Deca. The protein will be fine, maybe go for some glutamine with it, once again to help the immune system.

Once again though , don't do gear, but if you have to, do it safe.

t-ha

Can I just butt in here and say 'plateau my ass!'.

Do you know anything about working out? Do you know how many calories you eat per day? Do you know how many grams of protein you take in a day?

Can you squat a minimum of three times your bodyweight with competition acceptable powerlifter form (1 inch below parallel)?

Have you been training hard & eating clean for 10 years?

Have you been studying up on your endocrinal system for the last six months?

I don't like the idea of doing gear at all, but at least if someone was to answer 'yes' to all those questions I could accept that maybe he had arrived at his natural limits and could safely gain something by doing a cycle.

Sorry if this all sounds harsh, and obviously I can't stop you...

...but if I could I would. Good luck either way.

Dragan

t-ha wrote:

Sorry if this all sounds harsh, and obviously I can't stop you...

...but if I could I would. Good luck either way.

Non of that was even remotely harsh, to be honest i just wasn't going to waste the effort typing it all out for someone who i think we both know is just gonna do the cycle anyway. Remember dude, for most people the gym is just a way to get somewhere they want to be, they can't bring themselves to enjoy the journey at all.

Only a few of us seem to manage that one.

All in all, i will reiterate what i ended every previous post with, and that is don't do gear. However, i won't not help someone if i can make things a little bit healthier for them.

Easygainer

Deleted User wrote:

Well intially this is what i thought, but I wasnt aware that it could lower natural production.! Nick, I think basically the guy was ill advised on the subject.
He also takes a shot of HGH once a day, maybe you guys could enlighten me on that stuff also. He says after 3 weeks he has noticed the improvements and people have mentioned he looks younger etc.

anyway thanks for the advice

It takes 8 weeks to really notice that effect of gh. Also, t3 (or t4) has to be taken with gh, otherwise he's wasting his money.

As for the test, it depends on the ester it is bound to. Decanoate would suffice for weekly shots, though twice weekly is preferable, whereas for, say, propionate, it would be useless.

If you are interested in it just get Anabolics 2005 (not sure if an 06 version is coming out)... It'll start you off towards learning about drugs in sports.

Dragan

Or just down load some of the free info and books by the great Dan Duchaine.

Easygainer

cheeky_guy wrote:

Hi im just about to start taking 'testosterone' amongst other things as part of a erm 'cycle'. Testosterone is a natural product in the body but if you do not focus the energy it give you, it can drive you crazy. That is why you should be under guidance so you can take your temper out during your workout for max gains.

HGH is a completly differant story. Can cause swelling of the brain after the first couple of doses and if it does, STOP!! Test is one thing but forcing your body into growth spurts is another. Better off not to go near it.

And as for anti estrogens just take 'Clomid' which you also take at the end of a steroid cycle. Good cheap tablets and they are exactly qwhat your looking for.

Actually, HGH causes growth in every tissue EXCEPT the brain and eyes. Below 6iu/day this is also unnoticeable. Carpel tunnel is a far more common side effect from its usage, but should be tolerable.

Please don't post "advice" either as you lack sufficient knowledge to. Clomid might suffice for a light cycle, but if someone has atrophied their testicles HCG, arimidex etc might be necessitated. Also, some might need anti-estrogens during cycles.

I'll say this now, if anyone here is thinking about doing steroids, or any hormones, please, please ensure you know what you're doing. I can direct you to good sites to read about it and can talk to you in PMs if you want, but while you won't die from a course of test you could damage your sex drive and impair your HPTA if you don't perform PCT correctly. As a guy, suffering these problems would suck!