Ryanair promoting hand luggage thoughts..

skywalker_208

Was just thinking - Ryanaer are now encouraging ppl to bring hand luggage rather than checking in bags...

how does one bring the likes of razors,scissors etc if you are only taking hand luggage?

RuggieBear

skywalker_208 wrote:

Was just thinking - Ryanaer are now encouraging ppl to bring hand luggage rather than checking in bags...

how does one bring the likes of razors,scissors etc if you are only taking hand luggage?

you don't:(

Hagar

By encouraging hand baggage I expect you mean charging for checked in baggage...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=375131&in_page_id=1770

skywalker_208

yea that.. and providing auto checkins for people with hand luggage.. and by passing security queues etc.. saw a few reasons on the news.. cant think of them all now...

spockety

skywalker_208 wrote:

yea that.. and providing auto checkins for people with hand luggage.. and by passing security queues etc.. saw a few reasons on the news.. cant think of them all now...

There is no bypassing of security queues.

There are only 2 queues you'll have an advantage in:

1) The Check In queue. You won't need to do this any more.

2) The boarding queue. You will have a priority boarding pass. But so will approx 70 other people. But it does mean you are likely to get a better seat.

skywalker_208

ok watever!! point of the thread was they are obviously encouranging people to bring hand luggage only....

Hagar

A point that was in the paper but not the on-line version is that Ryanair are doing away with baggage "pooling". Each traveller will have their baggage weighed individually so one person in a couple travelling together may have to pay an excess charge while the other person is well below their limit. The ingenuity of Ryanair's money grubbing is astounding. Will they weigh passengers next?

John R

Encouraging hand luggage? Haven't they reduced the weight limit for hand luggage from 15Kg to 10Kg.
As usual the only thing Ryanair are promoting is stealth charges.

Bluetonic

John R wrote:

Encouraging hand luggage? Haven't they reduced the weight limit for hand luggage from 15Kg to 10Kg.
As usual the only thing Ryanair are promoting is stealth charges.

Ryanair hnad luggage has been 10KG for a long time.

RuggieBear

Hagar wrote:

A point that was in the paper but not the on-line version is that Ryanair are doing away with baggage "pooling". Each traveller will have their baggage weighed individually so one person in a couple travelling together may have to pay an excess charge while the other person is well below their limit. The ingenuity of Ryanair's money grubbing is astounding.

If that's true i'll no longer (be able to) fly with them.

Will they weigh passengers next?

and if that happens i'm truly fucked:eek:

Hagar

Me too, that's why I thought of it...:D

dudara

I had hand luggage weighed for the first time travelling from Girona to Shannon in October. Thankfully, pooling my backpack with the bf's saved us. Hand luggage is the only way to go if you can manage it.

I travelled from Cork to Gatwick last Monday with Easyjet (2 thumbs up bTW), with just a handbag, but was fustrated by the fact that check-in was held up by people checking in 2-3 suitcases. I'd really like to see dedicated check-ins for people with just carry-on luggage.

Bluetonic

Anyone fathom an answer on how long in advance you can check in online?

In dublin Airport I wonder will people avail of the Internet access in the Vodafone store to check in, maybe people returning from a weekend in Dublin and who vist to avoid the queues and have had no Interet access while in Dublin. I wonder is a little money to be made from it!

BuffyBot

More than likely 24 hours ahead - that's pretty standard.

Victor

John R wrote:

Encouraging hand luggage? Haven't they reduced the weight limit for hand luggage from 15Kg to 10Kg.

No, I think they've increase the limit for hand luggage from 7kg to 10kg. Of course total "free" baggage limit has come down from 15kg to 10kg.

dts

The reason for it is that if someone has luggage in the hold and goes missing they have to hunt for the baggage before the plane cane leave. If all you have is hand luggage and you miss the plane buy having that one more drink in the lounge then the other passengers still get home on time.
Its a good idea to me.

Hagar

dts wrote:

The reason for it is that if someone has luggage in the hold and goes missing they have to hunt for the baggage before the plane cane leave. If all you have is hand luggage and you miss the plane buy having that one more drink in the lounge then the other passengers still get home on time.
Its a good idea to me.

Err... No. The reason is profit. Pure and simple.
Nothing whatsoever to do with customer service in any way, shape or form.

dts

Well I like the idea for business flights. There is nothing worse than the women with two kids and a baby and ten different bags for holding up a plane.
Now I know thats unfair, but I still like the idea!:D

BigCon

Flew with Ryanair from Dublin to Beauvais with the wife and two kids last Tuesday.
We had two suitcases with everything in them, but because they no longer allow luggage pooling we had to buy a rucksack so that all three would be below the limit of 15KGs.
The check-in girl told us that it was just introduced a couple of weeks ago - there was no mention of it when I booked the tickets...
Anyhow, there should be a separate check-in or no check-in for those with only hand luggage, as every second check-in was a family and they were getting stopped for the same thing.
BTW the charge is €8.50 for every KG over 15KGs (so she told us anyway)...

spockety

Hagar wrote:

Err... No. The reason is profit. Pure and simple.
Nothing whatsoever to do with customer service in any way, shape or form.

Speaking as someone who only ever uses hand luggage, I am absolutely delighted that Ryanair are able to make extra profit out of my convenience at the expense of those people who hold up my queues.

Hagar

Your'e next just as soon as they figure out a way to do it...

Tazz T

Exactly.

As Ryanair's Chief Accountant famously said last year, 'We'd charge for ice, if we thought we could get away with it.'

But then again, if it wasn't for Ryanair, how many weekends would you have had last year?

Gurgle

Hagar wrote:

The ingenuity of Ryanair's money grubbing is astounding. Will they weigh passengers next?

The bastards, imagine trying to charge someone more for bringing everything they own for a weekend away. Next thing you know they'll fine you for being the one who checks in but holds the whole plane up for 20 minutes because you couldn't be bothered going to the boarding gate.

And the sheer cheek of them pretending they provide the cheapest possible way to travel abroad.

This is a flying bus service.
Their cargo is people.

What is with the never-ending stream of 'lets bitch about Ryanair' threads. If you don't like them, fly with someone else. If you think you're being ripped off for your luggage, send it overnight with DHL and pick it up when you get there, see how much you save.

I only ever bring a backpack, unless I'm going away for at least a fortnight.
Why should I have to pay more for a plane ticket to cover 15Kg of luggage that I never bring anyway?

Tazz T wrote:

As Ryanair's Chief Accountant famously said last year, 'We'd charge for ice, if we thought we could get away with it.'

I wish they would reduce the cost of all tickets by €1 and charge €2 for ice.
Then you'd have the option not to buy the ice.

dts

They have to get the money back some how or we would all still be paying the prices britishairways used to charge.

Hagar

The way you say "get the money back" would almost make me think they were operating at a loss. As if.

dts

If you dont like it then dont use them.

Hagar

Don't get all grumpy on us now. It's only the internet.

Imagine if I were Ryanair and I ran the internet, I'd charge you €1 to read this and another €2 to tell me to feck off.

skywalker_208

I didnt start this thread to bitch about Ryanaer! i think they are great - extremely cheap compared to others...

I would be more inclined to bring a backpack - ie hand luggage instead of checking in a big suitcase unless i really needed to! and i just had some queries about it!

Bluetonic

I'd like to know peoples opinions on how the online checkin could compromise saftey in the airport.

How easy are the boarding passes to replicated so that any Tom, Dick or Harry can have free access to and from landside and airside within the terminal building? Obviously they'll not have access past a boarding gate, but whats to stop me replicating a boarding pass for a flight on Good Friday and popping airside and going on the lash all day? I'm presuming these online boarding passes are only going to be looked at by DAA staff any more than they look at the regular boarding passes and not validated at the security check in, I preusme the validation will happen at the boarding gate.

Whats to stop me replicating an online boarding pass and availing of the 25% savings on Travel Value Shop airside? It might be minimal savings as duty free won't be applicable but it could be worth it for a particualr item. It's quite easy to pass from airside to landside without having taken a flight.

HelterSkelter

Bluetonic wrote:

...but whats to stop me replicating a boarding pass for a flight on Good Friday and popping airside and going on the lash all day? ...
Whats to stop me replicating an online boarding pass and availing of the 25% savings on Travel Value Shop airside? It might be minimal savings as duty free won't be applicable but it could be worth it for a particualr item. It's quite easy to pass from airside to landside without having taken a flight.

Hmmm, interesting idea!! I presume they will have severe penalties for people caught with fake boarding passes.

spockety

Bluetonic wrote:

I'd like to know peoples opinions on how the online checkin could compromise saftey in the airport.

How easy are the boarding passes to replicated so that any Tom, Dick or Harry can have free access to and from landside and airside within the terminal building? Obviously they'll not have access past a boarding gate, but whats to stop me replicating a boarding pass for a flight on Good Friday and popping airside and going on the lash all day? I'm presuming these online boarding passes are only going to be looked at by DAA staff any more than they look at the regular boarding passes and not validated at the security check in, I preusme the validation will happen at the boarding gate.

Whats to stop me replicating an online boarding pass and availing of the 25% savings on Travel Value Shop airside? It might be minimal savings as duty free won't be applicable but it could be worth it for a particualr item. It's quite easy to pass from airside to landside without having taken a flight.

What's to stop you from replicating an existing boarding pass?

It would be hideously easy to fake one.

Alun

spockety wrote:

What's to stop you from replicating an existing boarding pass?

It would be hideously easy to fake one.

I assume there would have to be some kind of barcode on them which would then have to be scanned and verified at entrance to the security area. If you simply copied an existing (already used and verified) boarding pass, the system would flag that. Of course, that would require some kind of cooperation between Ryanair and the security (Aer Rianta?) staff so I'd foresee difficulties arising there.

Bluetonic

spockety wrote:

What's to stop you from replicating an existing boarding pass?

It would be hideously easy to fake one.

Nothing, in the same way that theres nothing to stop you faking a passport with the correct equipment.

My point is that with an online check in it will be give a wider percentage of the population the oppurtunity to replicated with ease, i.e school kids with nothing better to do on summer holidays.... oh lets go up to the airport and get ourselves some new clothes from the baggage hall!

Bluetonic

Alun wrote:

I assume there would have to be some kind of barcode on them which would then have to be scanned and verified at entrance to the security area.

From a bit of Internet research it appears the format is a 2D PDF-417 barcode, near impossible to replicated.

http://www.southwest.com/help/online_checkin.html

From working previously with these barcode I am under the impression that to guarantee a successful scan they must be printed out on a minimum laserjet quality printer. Wonder how many home users have inkjet pritners? I foresee smuging and unsuccessful scans!

Alun

Bluetonic wrote:

From working previously with these barcode I am under the impression that to guarantee a successful scan they must be printed out on a minimum laserjet quality printer. Wonder how many home users have inkjet pritners? I foresee smuging and unsuccessful scans!

OK, if they're smudged that's one thing, but many modern inkjet printers have a resolution as high as, of not higher, than many cheapo laser printers. Stena Line also now issue e-tickets with barcodes on them, and I've never had any problem there with printouts from my 600dpi inkjet printer.

Bluetonic

May I also add... hmmmm http://www.printyourboardingpass.com/

Bluetonic

Alun wrote:

OK, if they're smudged that's one thing, but many modern inkjet printers have a resolution as high as, of not higher, than many cheapo laser printers. Stena Line also now issue e-tickets with barcodes on them, and I've never had any problem there with printouts from my 600dpi inkjet printer.

Having previous experience in the freight business where we wrote software which produced a daily manifest with a PDF417 barcode on it I can tell you the different quality of barcode that came in from customers was shocking, I'd say roughly a third a day were useless and wouldn't also for exchance of data through a scan. The main problems are smuging and people trying to get too much life out of a toner/cartridge thats clearly dead.

Beta2

I think this sums it up for me:

dailymail.co.uk wrote:

As a result, it will reduce average ticket prices by 9% - a saving of about £2.50 or 3.50 euros per journey.

Ryanair are reducing the cost of the basic ticket price and only charging those that want to bring the kitchen sink, Its unfair to charge everyone on the plane because half want to bring a mass of luggage.

This is excellent customer service.

In terms of faking the boarding pass, this may apply to airfrance or even aerlingus' automated checkin's, but with Ryanair its probably cheaper to buy a ticket to stanstead that it is to fake it.

B2

Alun

Beta2 wrote:

Ryanair are reducing the cost of the basic ticket price and only charging those that want to bring the kitchen sink, Its unfair to charge everyone on the plane because half want to bring a mass of luggage.

"Kitchen sink" ? "mass of luggage"? I'd hardly call an average 20kg suitcase a "mass", especially if you're going away for any period of time, or if you're going on, say, some kind of sporting trip where you have to take equipment with you.

Whilst this may be great for the there and back in the same day business travellers, and the "going to visit me mates in Liverpool for a weekend on the slash" type of customers, it discriminates against those who want to use the airline for longer trips where you need to take more luggage / equipment with you.

spockety

Plus, once the first faker gets done for "international terrorism" for trying to scam some duty free, and gets locked in Guantanamo for 30 years without trial, nobody else will try this fakery.

BendiBus

I love the convenience of the Aer Lingus self service check in.

I presume Ryanair have considered the practicalities of online check in and it's been done my a number of airlines before so I suspect it will work fine. AFAIK it won't be available at all airports as the airport will need suitable equipment to validate the self printed boarding cards

Bluetonic

Alun wrote:

it discriminates against those who want to use the airline for longer trips where you need to take more luggage / equipment with you.

In the same way that charging everyone for the maximum baggage discriminates against those that dont need to take more luggage / equipment with them.

spockety

Alun wrote:

"Kitchen sink" ? "mass of luggage"? I'd hardly call an average 20kg suitcase a "mass", especially if you're going away for any period of time, or if you're going on, say, some kind of sporting trip where you have to take equipment with you.

Whilst this may be great for the there and back in the same day business travellers, and the "going to visit me mates in Liverpool for a weekend on the slash" type of customers, it discriminates against those who want to use the airline for longer trips where you need to take more luggage / equipment with you.

Well, that's where "shopping around" comes into the equation.

At least Ryanair are telling you up front EXACTLY how much their charges are. You will not get any nasty surprises at the airport.

So, pack a bag, weigh it, and calculate how much it will cost you to bring it with Ryanair, on top of the price of the ticket.

Then do this with every other airline that flies to your intended destination.

Pick the cheapest one.

Hurrah. Open Market Economics.

Hagar

Originally Posted by dailymail.co.uk
As a result, it will reduce average ticket prices by 9% - a saving of about £2.50 or 3.50 euros per journey.

Even though I posted that originally I have no idea how this claim could be substantiated as Ryanair ticket prices are so variable. For instance how much discount will be applied to their famous €1 tickets?

They claimed 25% of passengers would save money, 50% would be unaffected but they did not specify how badly the remaining 25% would be affected. Given the charge of €8.50 per kilo previously mentioned, it won't be hard to slap on an excessive amount. A laptop in a case for instance could cost another €30 depending on other baggage.

I am suspicious of these claims. The effect of doing away with baggage pooling in particular is going to be very hard to monitor.

Ryanair have been the people's champion in fighting the state airlines and bringing down overall travel costs, but now that they have done it they are getting greedy themselves and it won't be too long before they start cozying up to the other airlines and forming nice little "partnerships". Then we are buggered altogether.

spockety

Haha.. Ryanair have no interest in forming partnerships. Their sole aim is probably to be left as the only one standing!

BuffyBot

I presume Ryanair have considered the practicalities of online check in and it's been done my a number of airlines before so I suspect it will work fine. AFAIK it won't be available at all airports as the airport will need suitable equipment to validate the self printed boarding cards

Indeed - seem as they use the same basic booking engine (and it's online check-in capability) as many other LCC's, I'd imagine most of the wrinkles will have long been ironed out.

bungeecork

Just think, if Ryanair could make it so that the belly of a plane opened like a coach, you'd have all the usual baggage restrictions plus you'd be able to load and unload your own bags.

Actually that would only work at airports with no air bridges. Forget it.

spockety

bungeecork wrote:

Just think, if Ryanair could make it so that the belly of a plane opened like a coach, you'd have all the usual baggage restrictions plus you'd be able to load and unload your own bags.

Actually that would only work at airports with no air bridges. Forget it.

You may forget it, but Ryanair won't. I read a few years ago that one of Ryanair's long term aims was to completely do away with the need for baggage handlers.

J.

skywalker_208

spockety wrote:

You may forget it, but Ryanair won't. I read a few years ago that one of Ryanair's long term aims was to completely do away with the need for baggage handlers.

J.

So wat about the likes of deoderants etc... they would be classed as compressed flammable gases wouldnt they? You would think there would always be a need to check in some bags containing the like of this...

spockety

I always carry deodorant aerosols in my hand luggage, I've never been stopped in about 40 times flying with it.

mambo

skywalker_208 wrote:

how does one bring the likes of razors,scissors etc if you are only taking hand luggage?

Ryanair says:

"What items are prohibited from being carried in the Cabin of the aircraft?

... open razors and blades (excluding safety or disposable razors with blades enclosed in cartridge) ..."

So disposable-type razors are okay I guess.