31 new penalty points offences

dmeehan

Does anyone actually have a complete list of the 31 new penalty points offences, what the offence is and how much points it carries?

jd

31 New Offences that will incur Penalty Points

Offence Penalty Points on Payment Penalty Points on ConvictionFixedCharge Amount paid in 28 days Amount paid in next 28d
Dangerous overtaking 2 5 €80 €120
Failure to act in accordance with a Garda signal 1 3 €80 €120
Failure to stop a vehicle before stop sign/ stop line 2 4 €80 €120
Failure to yield right of way at a yield sign/ yield line 2 4 €80 €120
Crossing continuous white line 2 4 €80 €120
Entry by driver into hatched marked area of roadway, e.g. carriageway reduction lane 1 3 €80 €120
Failure to obey traffic lights 2 5 €80 €120
Failure obey traffic rules at railway level crossing 2 5 €80 €120
Driving a vehicle on a motorway against the flow of traffic 2 4 €80 €120
Driving on the hard shoulder on a motorway 1 3 €80 €120
Driving a HGV or bus on the outside lane on a motorway 1 3 €80 €120
Failure to drive on the left hand side of the road 1 3 €60 €90
Failure to obey requirements at junctions, e.g. not being in the correct lane when turning onto another road 1 3 €60 €90
Failure to obey requirements regarding reversing of vehicles, e.g. reversing from minor road onto main road 1 3 €60 €90
Driving on a footpath 1 3 €60 €90
Driving on a cycle track 1 3 €60 €90
Failure to turn left when entering a roundabout 1 3€60 €90
Driving on a median strip, e.g. boundary between two carriageways 1 3 €60 €90
Failure to stop for school warden sign 1 4 €80 €120



Failure to stop when so required by a member
of the Garda Siochana 2 5 €80 €120
Failure to leave appropriate distance
between you and the vehicle in front 2 4 €80 €120
Failure to yield 2 4 €80 €120
Driving without reasonable consideration 2 4 €80 €120
Failure to comply with mandatory traffic signs at junctions 1 3 €60 €90
Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 3 €60 €90
Failure to comply with keep left/keep right signs 1 3 €60 €90
Failure to comply with traffic lane markings 1 3 €60 €90
Illegal entry onto a one-way street 1 3 €60 €90
Driving a vehicle when unfit 3 Court Fine
Parking a vehicle in a dangerous position 5 Court Fine
Breach of duties at an accident 5 Court Fine

jd

Offences that currently incur Penalty Points

Offence -Penalty Points on Payment -Penalty Points on Conviction -FixedCharge Amount paid in 28 days-Amount paid in next 28 days

Speeding (introduced 31 Oct 2002) 2 4 €80 €120
Driving without Insurance (introduced 1 June 2003) 5 Court Fine
Failure by Driver to comply with
front seat belt requirements 2 4 €60 €90
Failure by Driver to comply with rear seat belt
requirements for passengers (introduced 25 August 2003) 2 4 €60 €90
Driver found to be driving carelessly
(introduced 4 June 2004) 5 Court Fine

jlang

http://transport.ie/upload/general/7262-0.pdf

MrPudding

Wow. Fairly comprehensive. It is a shame they will never be inforced.

Nice to see driving in a cycle lane will attract a penalty point. Might make cyclists lives a bit safer / easier.

MrP

MorningStar

I wonder dues that mean people parking in cycle lanes will be done on the basis they must have driven on it to park in it

Hagar

MrPudding wrote:

Nice to see driving in a cycle lane will attract a penalty point.

Would that be the lanes on the roadway or on the foot path?

dmeehan

Hagar wrote:

Would that be the lanes on the roadway or on the foot path?

do they double up if the cycle lane is on a footpath?

shltter

Driving a vehicle on a motorway against the flow of traffic 2 4 €80 €120

Personally I dont think you should be on the road if you did that never mind be allowed to do it 6 times before a temporary ban

Hagar

jd wrote:

Driving a vehicle on a motorway against the flow of traffic 2 4 €80 €120...
Parking a vehicle in a dangerous position 5 Court Fine

So a car driving the wrong way on a motorway at say 120kph is to be penalised less than a dangerously parked but stationary car.

Well that makes perfect sense to me.:rolleyes:

Turner

shltter wrote:

Driving a vehicle on a motorway against the flow of traffic 2 4 €80 €120

Personally I dont think you should be on the road if you did that never mind be allowed to do it 6 times before a temporary ban

I would say this is in regard to reversing on a motorway after overshooting a slip road.

corktina

No HGV's in outside lane? do they mean on 3 lane roads and if not why not include dual carriageways?

No driving on hard shoulder? The end of courteous moving over to allow faster traffic to pass when "it is safe to do so" presumably.....

Turner

corktina wrote:

No HGV's in outside lane? do they mean on 3 lane roads and if not why not include dual carriageways?

No driving on hard shoulder? The end of courteous moving over to allow faster traffic to pass when "it is safe to do so" presumably.....

Everybody here thinks that the police here operate to the letter of the law.

Obviously pulling into a hard shoulder to let somebody pass wont get you fined, its designed for people skipping queues of traffic on dual carriageways (eg m50 at rush hour)

As for HGV's overtaking it is perfectly acceptaple. driving in the overtaking lane however is not, same as with car drivers failing to keep to the left.

mike65

Where's the Driving in the dark without lights clause????

Mike.

corktina

Chief--- wrote:

Everybody here thinks that the police here operate to the letter of the law.

Obviously pulling into a hard shoulder to let somebody pass wont get you fined, its designed for people skipping queues of traffic on dual carriageways (eg m50 at rush hour)

As for HGV's overtaking it is perfectly acceptaple. driving in the overtaking lane however is not, same as with car drivers failing to keep to the left.

unfortunately it isnt too obvious and an over-zealous Gard with a quota to fill could have a field-day.....i realise what the INTENTION behind the rule is, but it doesnt seem too closely defined to me.........(.both the offences you outline are amongst the most annoying things I encounter on the roads...)..

Turner

Thats why you have the option to attend a district court (or circuit court in the case of appealing a district court conviction) if you feel you should not have received the fine.

Probably about 10,000 people are in district courts around the country as we type doing exactly that.

corktina

you will lose your appeal if the law states you get points for driving on the hard shoulder and you WERE driving on the hard shoulder to allow other traffic to pass...............

Capt'n Midnight

Nice to see that provisional drivers are still don't incur any penalty for driving unaccompanied on motorways.

corktina

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Nice to see that provisional drivers are still don't incur any penalty for driving unaccompanied on motorways.

...whilst talking on their mobiles, with their foglights on in broad daylight

MrPudding

Funny one on the radio, they were interviewing people about the new penalty point offenses. They asked a guy if he would find it difficult to avoid getting points. He said it would as there were so many! WTF, do people not reasilse you were never supposed to do this stuff? Driving through a fcuking red light was not just suddenly made illegal with the introduction of penalty points today. Fcuking drivers here do my head in.

MrP

Capt'n Midnight

Driving a vehicle when unfit 0/3 / Court Fine
Parking a vehicle in a dangerous position 0 /5/Court Fine
Breach of duties at an accident 0/5/Court Fine

does this mean you don't get points if you pay straight away or that it's a mandatroy court appearance ( seems unlikely for bad parking ). Could you argue in court that it wasn't dangerous parking becuase the summons said "Parking Fine" :v:

Unfit - as in health/incapable or does this mean incorrect license
Do we have Good Samaratin laws now ?

god's toy

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Nice to see that provisional drivers are still don't incur any penalty for driving unaccompanied on motorways.

Hmm... I was under the impression they could not drive on motorways at all.?

Litcagral

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Unfit - as in health/incapable or does this mean incorrect license
Do we have Good Samaratin laws now ?

It means 'unfit' in a medical sense, i.e. if one's licence states that one must wear corrective lenses or if a person is driving with a broken limb etc.

jesus_thats_gre

god's toy wrote:

Hmm... I was under the impression they could not drive on motorways at all.?

I assume they will bring in points for Provisional drivers when they sort the problem with the Driving Test system.

Litcagral

corktina wrote:

No HGV's in outside lane? why not include dual carriageways?QUOTE]


Because on a dual carriageway, it would be very dangerous making a right turn from the left hand lane!

corktina

MrPudding wrote:

Funny one on the radio, they were interviewing people about the new penalty point offenses. They asked a guy if he would find it difficult to avoid getting points. He said it would as there were so many! WTF, do people not reasilse you were never supposed to do this stuff? Driving through a fcuking red light was not just suddenly made illegal with the introduction of penalty points today. Fcuking drivers here do my head in.

MrP

too right...the standard of driving here is appalling........

corktina

god's toy wrote:

Hmm... I was under the impression they could not drive on motorways at all.?

you are correct, although most of the people legally allowed to drive there cannot drive either......

MrPudding

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

I assume they will bring in points for Provisional drivers when they sort the problem with the Driving Test system.

I don't get the connection.

Do we make robbery OK until we sort out the social causes of crime? Because it takes a while to get a test does not make it acceptable to break the law.

MrP

mackerski

Chief--- wrote:

Obviously pulling into a hard shoulder to let somebody pass wont get you fined, its designed for people skipping queues of traffic on dual carriageways (eg m50 at rush hour)

The hard shoulder offence is specific to motorways - the offence (and all the others named) already existed, all that's now changing is that you'll get points for it. You are permitted to enter the hard shoulder of a non-motorway road - note the broken yellow carriageway border as opposed to the solid one on motorways.

Dermot

corktina

mackerski wrote:

The hard shoulder offence is specific to motorways - the offence (and all the others named) already existed, all that's now changing is that you'll get points for it. You are permitted to enter the hard shoulder of a non-motorway road - note the broken yellow carriageway border as opposed to the solid one on motorways.

Dermot

well spotted..thanks for that...:)

Ginger83

Hi, just out of interest what happens in the case where roadwork machinery need to enter the central reservation to proceed with motorway maintainence? Are they excluded?

jesus_thats_gre

MrPudding wrote:

I don't get the connection.

Do we make robbery OK until we sort out the social causes of crime? Because it takes a while to get a test does not make it acceptable to break the law.

MrP

I am not saying its correct but.. The 12 month or so delays in getting a driving test have been the case for a number of years now.. Provisional drivers have been driving around for years with little or no deterrent in doing so.. Some probably drive in order to get to college or work.. They base their livlihood on it..

So what would happen if all of a sudden the goverment announced that provisional drivers driving without a fully licensed passenger are going to receive penalty points from now on..

You know it would be an unreasonable thing to do.. Now if they made the same accouncement when one could apply for and sit a driving test within a two week period - it would be perfectly reasonable to introduce such a penalty.

Ps: the Gardai or the goverment have not turned a blind eye to robbery for 10+ years..

Litcagral

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

I am not saying its correct but.. The 12 month or so delays in getting a driving test have been the case for a number of years now.. QUOTE]


The waiting time for other vehicle categories can be as little as 3-4 weeks but that has not prevented provisional drivers in those categories from being unaccompanied.

jesus_thats_gre

Litcagral wrote:

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

I am not saying its correct but.. The 12 month or so delays in getting a driving test have been the case for a number of years now.. QUOTE]


The waiting time for other vehicle categories can be as little as 3-4 weeks but that has not prevented provisional drivers in those categories from being unaccompanied.

So is it ok to prosecute drivers of other categories and leave car divers alone?

Litcagral

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

Litcagral wrote:

So is it ok to prosecute drivers of other categories and leave car divers alone?

The point I was trying to make was that the lengthly waiting time to do a category B test is not the sole reason why provisional drivers are unaccompanied. There is much less waiting time for tests in other categories of vehicle but many provisional drivers in these categories continue to drive unaccompanied.

dts

Chief--- wrote:

Everybody here thinks that the police here operate to the letter of the law.

Obviously pulling into a hard shoulder to let somebody pass wont get you fined, its designed for people skipping queues of traffic on dual carriageways (eg m50 at rush hour)

As for HGV's overtaking it is perfectly acceptaple. driving in the overtaking lane however is not, same as with car drivers failing to keep to the left.

How is it obvious, you should never use the hard shoulder even to let faster moving vehicles past. It is there for when you break down so as to leave your veichle in a safe place. If you saw some of the pictures of the deaths from HGV's hitting cars that have had to stop on the hard shoulder you probably wouldnt do that again.

corktina

nevertherless, you may pull over on to the hard shoulder to allow other traffic to pass if it is safe for you to do so and if you wish to..Obviously if you plough into a broken down car, then it WASN'T safe and probably not a good idea to have done it....

ando

'Failure by driver to comply with rear seat belt requirements for passengers'

This is already in effect, what does this mean?

Alun

ando wrote:

'Failure by driver to comply with rear seat belt requirements for passengers'

This is already in effect, what does this mean?

Pretty obvious, I would have thought? If you've got passengers in the rear seats they have to be belted up too. If they're not, then you get the points.

mackerski

Alun wrote:

Pretty obvious, I would have thought? If you've got passengers in the rear seats they have to be belted up too. If they're not, then you get the points.

Only, as I recall, if they are minors.

Dermot

Alun

mackerski wrote:

Only, as I recall, if they are minors.

Dermot

Are you sure? Pretty stupid if it is. In any case my car doesn't start unless everyone's belted up.

mackerski

Alun wrote:

Are you sure? Pretty stupid if it is. In any case my car doesn't start unless everyone's belted up.

I'm right behind you there - but I'd say you'd feel a bit bummed if you were pulled over and given points just because some sneaky tool in the back seat had undone his belt without you noticing.

Dermot

MrPudding

Alun wrote:

Are you sure? Pretty stupid if it is. In any case my car doesn't start unless everyone's belted up.

What he may be refering to is that in the North the driver is responsible for and will receive a fine if a minor passenger is not belted up. However, if the passenger is an adult the passenger will be fined. NOt sure how it works with point though, I don't even know if there are points for it. Kind of hard to give points to a passenger that may not drive.

MrP

Our man in Havana

MrPudding wrote:

What he may be refering to is that in the North the driver is responsible for and will receive a fine if a minor passenger is not belted up. However, if the passenger is an adult the passenger will be fined. NOt sure how it works with point though, I don't even know if there are points for it. Kind of hard to give points to a passenger that may not drive.

MrP

Giving points to a non driving offender has never been a problem in the UK system. Its quite common for a non driving registered owner to get points for certain offences.

On another point, will the offence of HGVs in the outside lane of motorways put a stop to elephant racing of trucks?