Slow Irish Builders

joejoem · 22-01-2006 12:30pm #1

I thought this would be worth posting. My parents are building a mews house at the end of there garden as are there neighbours . My parents hired an Irish builder and the neighbours hired a romanina builder. They both paid by the job not for time. The romanins cost just over half what the Irish did. Both started withing a day of eachother. Today, The romanians are putting on the roof, whereas the irish, wwait for it, have just laid the first blocks on foundations. I have a good deal of knowlege of construction, I have looked at the house the romanians have build and everything seems top notch. They are now hoping to be finshed (they even paint and plumb it) by the second week in February!

This isnt meant as a knock to Irish builders, but the romanians work hard from 8 to 6, monday to Friday, and Saturdays from 8 - 2. Rain wind or shine. A completely different mentality

22-01-2006 4:11pm

What we need is 50 years of Communism, despotic dactators and abject poverty. Then those Irish builders would move their lazy arses...

Carpenter · 22-01-2006 4:19pm

This isnt meant as a knock to Irish builders, but the romanians work hard from 8 to 6, monday to Friday, and Saturdays from 8 - 2. Rain wind or shine. A completely different mentality[/QUOTE]

1 Well who are you knocking
2 Would you work in the rain
3 Where is there boss from are they reg and paying tax and vat

22-01-2006 4:59pm

Isn't life great. I mean, here we are arsing around on a website, speculating on whether other people are lazy or not...:D

Dellgirl · 23-01-2006 11:15am

1 Well who are you knocking
2 Would you work in the rain
3 Where is there boss from are they reg and paying tax and vat
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Yes - we all know that Irish builders declare everything taxwise. Not like those bad Romanians

Rain is part of the job expectation at some point.

Isn't life great. I mean, here we are arsing around on a website, speculating on whether other people are lazy or not...

Sponge Bob · 23-01-2006 12:04pm

Carpenter wrote:

are they reg and paying tax and vat

MorningStar · 23-01-2006 1:12pm

THe fact that people can do a job quicker and to a standrad over somebody else doesn't surprise me. There was abuilding being built near me and the safety violations were massive. Just going by they were obvious, no safety helmets or safety boots, no barrier around the site etc...
You can build things like this no problem as we did for years too but it doean't make it good deal. I would be most worried about insurance.

The fact they will work in bad conditions means they compramise safety also. We may be a little softer than we were but that doesn't make it right that we should work in such conditions.

On the flip side a friend of mine is building his own house and has had lots of problems with all workers no matter what their nationality.

Carpenter · 23-01-2006 4:41pm

Dellgirl wrote:

Yes - we all know that Irish builders declare everything taxwise. Not like those bad Romanians

Rain is part of the job expectation at some point.

The only time you have to work in the rain is foundations and floors that is it
Also are you saying only irish builders are the only people who pocket some cash
Without the irish builder ireland would not be what it is today

Dellgirl · 23-01-2006 4:52pm

The only time you have to work in the rain is foundations and floors that is it

So no problem then! Even less of an excuse to dwaddle.

Also are you saying only irish builders are the only people who pocket some cash

No...but you made it sound like they never did.

Without the irish builder ireland would not be what it is today

The audience rises to its feet and thunderous applause is heard throughout the land.

Gotta say.....my builder (i love that....sounds like I got a pet!) was Irish and bar the odd difference of opinion and sleeivín antics on his part - he was grand.

Carpenter · 23-01-2006 5:08pm

Dellgirl wrote:

So no problem then! Even less of an excuse to dwaddle.

No...but you made it sound like they never did.

The audience rises to its feet and thunderous applause is heard throughout the land.

Gotta say.....my builder (i love that....sounds like I got a pet!) was Irish and bar the odd difference of opinion and sleeivín antics on his part - he was grand.

Good now you see things clear

magpie · 23-01-2006 5:10pm

Romanian builders work hard as they want to earn lots of money.

Irish builders don't as they expect to earn lots of money.

Move over David McWilliams

Dellgirl · 23-01-2006 5:11pm

Good now you see things clear

Yes. Thats it.

Carpenter · 23-01-2006 5:16pm

Yes you people know it all so there is no point in going on

Carpenter · 23-01-2006 5:22pm

magpie wrote:

Romanian builders work hard as they want to earn lots of money.

Irish builders don't as they expect to earn lots of money.

Move over David McWilliams

Hi i have 14 men on a site and i can tell you they all work very hard and have done for years also all them are irish we had a few romanians and all looked like they were working but they were the best at hiding

Dellgirl · 23-01-2006 5:24pm

Check your pms Carpenter.

23-01-2006 5:31pm

Carpenter wrote:

Yes you people know it all so there is no point in going on

My oh my...

magpie · 23-01-2006 5:45pm

You don't get Romanian builders surfing the interweb at 5.20.

Carpenter · 23-01-2006 7:51pm

magpie wrote:

You don't get Romanian builders surfing the interweb at 5.20.

How do you know that and you dont see them starting at 6 in the morning like some of our lads do

squire1 · 24-01-2006 9:10am

OP. Did your parents agree a time scale with the builders? Is it written in the contract? Are the builders sticking to that contract? If so, then I don't see the problem. If not, then that is your parents fault.

Maybe the Romanians do not have much work on at the moment. Maybe the Irish guy has 20 jobs going on at the moment because he has been around for 20 years and his reputation ensures a steady stream of work.

As far as Irish Builders Expecting big money, it is my experience that it is the professionals and service industry that have that attitude in this country not the hard working skilled labour force.

joejoem · 24-01-2006 2:13pm

Righteo..... I forgot I made this thread. I'm not going to get into an argument about it, I cant be arsed.

Facts as far as I know them

1) They are putting the roof on, ours are still on the ground floor
2) They wear helmets, I havent walked over to look at there shoes yet
3) They pay Tax and Vat and are registered, it was one of the first questions I asked.

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