people speeding up as you overtake?

jwt

Why do people do this????


Last week on the Mullingar bypass, a 100 kph stretch. I was slowly catching up with a 99 BMW who I would guess was doing around 95kph.

I indicated to pull out into the outside lane and I spot a puff of smoke from the exhaust and he's off down the road.

Pulled back in and two miles later I'm back behind him again. Indicated and got level with him and again he puts his foot down!



I have noticed this is a regular occurrence these days.

How many times have you come up behind a car doing 10-15kph slower than you and discover as you go to overtake that you have to accelerate to serious penalty point’s territory to get past.

Why do they bother?


John

Big Nelly

You can always find a spanner. Was on trim road one night and this Merc was doing about 60kpmh so I went to take over and he floored it and couldn't get past safe before cornor so slowed down and slotted back in behind him. Got to cornor and again was going slow as hell. Was on straight and car coming but still going nowhere. Cars passed and I went to go past was level with him and next thing again he floors it so I planted on the horn and slotted in behind him.

Same again so next straight I try to pass and he does the same. So I sat behind him the whole way up the road with the horn going until next straight and passed him then with a dirty look through the window.

Bit of road rage but it drives me mad when people do that. He knew exactly what he was doing as well because made sure to slow down when going around the cornors and only floored it once I made a move to pass

Dellgirl

First off, he's in a beamer so the chances of him driving like an asshole are pretty good to begin with. Seriously, they are the worst when it comes to basic driving ediquette.
ive noticed this happenning a couple of time - the most recent by a granny in a fiat punto - the old hag really put the foot down when over taking looked likely. I kind of expect it from Beamers and young fellas but not some relic held togeather by her wolly cardigan.

Jumpy

Dellgirl wrote:

First off, he's in a beamer so the chances of him driving like an asshole are pretty good to begin with. Seriously, they are the worst when it comes to basic driving ediquette.
ive noticed this happenning a couple of time - the most recent by a granny in a fiat punto - the old hag really put the foot down when over taking looked likely. I kind of expect it from Beamers and young fellas but not some relic held togeather by her wolly cardigan.

Hehe, you might be right... I dont know why Beamers even have indicator lights.

The handiest way to avoid is to drop two gears and jet past before he can speed up. Most likely he will be in 5th gear even if he is driving slowly.
I have no problems with those people who drive at a speed comfortable and safe to them, however if you do dangerous ****e like speed up when someone is overtaking you, you have lost all my respect.

starn

This is something which really boils my blood. I see it the whole time on the motor way. It almost always a Beemer, a Merc or a TT. Never a Lexus or a A4 for some strange reason

robbie1876

Dellgirl wrote:

- the most recent by a granny in a fiat punto - the old hag really put the foot down when over taking looked likely. I kind of expect it from Beamers and young fellas but not some relic held togeather by her wolly cardigan.

It's the 'me against the world' attitude requirement that all pensioners must have to drive on the road once they hit 70. They may only drive once a week to do their shopping, but the other 6 days are spent sitting around reading articles in the Herald about how bad drivers are these days. So when it's their turn to take the road, they have to fend for themselves against all the inconsiderate drivers, otherwise they'll never make it make in time for Live At 3, or whatever it's called now.

C_Breeze

they can do what they like , its not their fault your car hasnt got enough power to overtake them.

I do it in my dads car , especially to lil race boys up your ass in their micras , lol


note i dont do it on windy back roads , i have some sense

seamus

Some people think that they're making the road a safer place by doing things like stopping you overtaking or driving in the overtaking lane at 5km/h below the limit. They clearly miss the irony.

Gary ITR

I had an incident where I could have been killd. I was in the middle of three cars on the Straffan road. The car behind me was right up my a$$ and the car in front was doing around 65kph. So I went to overtake the car in front so the driver decided to floor it. But I couldn't pull back in because the car tht had been behind me had sped up along with another car behind him. I had to call on all the powers of my VW TDI to accelerate, as the op said, to serious penalty point speed to get past the idiot

Big Balls

On a single stretch it's pretty dangerous and the speeding up driver is an idiot but on a motorway I don't see them problem.

Sat night on the M50 cruising along in the inside lane after overtaking a stretch of cars and one of the cars I overtook suddenly pulls out and races up alongside me and turns out to be a Megane saloon so I put the boot down and left him for dead just to prove a point I suppose. Silly and no need for it but sure it did nobody any harm except used a bit more of my petrol and made me smile with a guy in a Megane thinking he could have a go!

C_Breeze

Big Balls wrote:

On a single stretch it's pretty dangerous and the speeding up driver is an idiot but on a motorway I don't see them problem.

Sat night on the M50 cruising along in the inside lane after overtaking a stretch of cars and one of the cars I overtook suddenly pulls out and races up alongside me and turns out to be a Megane saloon so I put the boot down and left him for dead just to prove a point I suppose. Silly and no need for it but sure it did nobody any harm except used a bit more of my petrol and made me smile with a guy in a Megane thinking he could have a go!

yeah , exactly same opinion here. on a single strecth road i see the danger but on the M50 its grand.

my story: was in my dads car with my dad (me drivin) . I was drivin nicley and overtaking 2 or 3 cars at reasonable speed on the m50 and some gob****e in an old 89 integra glued to my ass. As i passed the last car and wanting to pull back into left lane , the little f***er dives right in and tries to undertake me , so i just put the foot down left him for dust. - slowed down later on and comes up behind me again - and then tries one of these cool overtakin manouvers where he pulls out when he's 1cm away from your rear bumper , so as he pulled into the overtaking lane ,and tried flooring it , i just gunned it again - PRICELESS look on his face.

Dellgirl

It's the 'me against the world' attitude requirement that all pensioners must have to drive on the road once they hit 70. They may only drive once a week to do their shopping, but the other 6 days are spent sitting around reading articles in the Herald about how bad drivers are these days. So when it's their turn to take the road, they have to fend for themselves against all the inconsiderate drivers, otherwise they'll never make it make in time for Live At 3, or whatever it's called now.
__________________

Very good......I never thought of that!

I

do it in my dads car , especially to lil race boys up your ass in their micras , lol


note i dont do it on windy back roads , i have some sense
Today 13:57

Wind?WInd? Wtf has wind got to do ......ah ...wait ....I see. No place for "move it or lose it daddyo!"

jwt

they can do what they like , its not their fault your car hasnt got enough power to overtake them

Never said i hadn't the power to overtake, but why should I be forced to break the speed limit just to pass them because they are acting the plonker?

So even though they put their foot down as I overtake, its not their fault????

Weird logic there.

On a single stretch it's pretty dangerous and the speeding up driver is an idiot but on a motorway I don't see them problem.

yeah , exactly same opinion here. on a single strecth road i see the danger but on the M50 its grand

Why is it Ok on a motorway? Whats the problem if your happy cruising at speed X and someone doing speed X + 10 is passing you and you have to speed up because.............. ?

John

Big Balls

Dellgirl wrote:

Very good......I never thought of that!

I


Wind?WInd? Wtf has wind got to do ......ah ...wait ....I see. No place for "move it or lose it daddyo!"

Windy as in bendy !! :rolleyes:

C_Breeze

Dellgirl wrote:

Wind?WInd? Wtf has wind got to do ......ah ...wait ....I see. No place for "move it or lose it daddyo!"

Windy , windEy - as in a lot of turns and bends geddit?

as for the rest , i have no idead what you are saying ( are u bleedin' slaggin' me oul fella, are ye?? ) j/k

Big Balls

jwt wrote:

Why is it Ok on a motorway? Whats the problem if your happy cruising at speed X and someone doing speed X + 10 is passing you and you have to speed up because.............. ?

John

Because on a single road you are forcing the overtaking car into the direction of other cars.

And I only speak for myself, the M50 was dead and clear when I was on it on Sat and there was no way it was causing anyone any problems. Most people with performance cars use them from time to time when it's safe to do so - I do anyway!

Dellgirl

Windy as in bendy !!

Haha! Thanks!

Windy , windEy - as in a lot of turns and bends geddit?

Again, much obliged!!

The "move it or lose it Daddyo" referred to you being right about the revving it up on back roads.

(hee-aw...Ill fuggin slag off aniwan i wan...awrigh!)

jwt

maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here........


If you are driving along at 110kph and a car approaching you from behind goes to move into the overtaking lane travelling at a constant 120kph to pass you, why is it ok to speed up in the inside lane to frustrate/annoy/whatever the other driver who was driving properly, courteously and considerately?????

John

Spitfire666

I cant stand that crap either, my dad used to do it to muppets in there micras till i told him to cop-the-****-on before he kills someone.
whats worse is when you change lanes to over take and they move infront of you blocking you. had this scary expierence with a truck. Boy was he shocked when the blue flashies came on.
to say he got a bolloxing is an understatement.

Big Balls

jwt wrote:

maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here........


If you are driving along at 110kph and a car approaching you from behind goes to move into the overtaking lane travelling at a constant 120kph to pass you, why is it ok to speed up in the inside lane to frustrate/annoy/whatever the other driver who was driving properly, courteously and considerately?????

John

I've never done what you're describing so I can't comment on that if the question was directed towards me.

toffeapple

C_Breeze wrote:

they can do what they like , its not their fault your car hasnt got enough power to overtake them.

I do it in my dads car , especially to lil race boys up your ass in their micras , lol


note i dont do it on windy back roads , i have some sense

whats the problem????? i would rather have someone pass me if they where sitting up my a$$... i really dont understand why people get so invovled....go at you own pace and by respectful of other people its f*cking easy as that...fast or slow so long as your save and courteous.

w*nkers who speed up when your over taking are the worst kind of c*nts...why are people so bothered about being over taken...its this whole attitude on the irish roads people start getting in battles with each other...madness

Big Balls

toffeapple wrote:

whats the problem????? i would rather have someone pass me if they where sitting up my a$$... i really dont understand why people get so invovled....go at you own pace and by respectful of other people its f*cking easy as that...fast or slow so long as your save and courteous.

w*nkers who speed up when your over taking are the worst kind of c*nts...why are people so bothered about being over taken...its this whole attitude on the irish roads people start getting in battles with each other...madness

Totally agree with you but when someone pulls out to have a go at you just cause you're driving a fast car they can't play the card you're playing !!

tbh

normally if someone wants to overtake me, I'm happy to help as it's better to let them go and not have them sitting on my ass. Last night I was coming down from Donegal, approaching the Carrickmacross by-pass, doing just on 100k. There was a car about 150 meters in front doing just over 100k. This asshole in an 06-DL Golf comes screaming up behind me, flashing his lights and coming within an inch of the car. It was getting dark, raining, I was doing the limit and there was nowhere for me to go. He went past me about 120, beeping his horn and giving me the finger. I hate to wish ill on anyone, but my God, I wish he'd gotten a puncture there and then and spun off to a firey death:mad:

toffeapple

i drive reasonanby fast car (pulsar vzr-nismo exhaust pushing 185bhp) and i dont see the problem....you will always get fools in every aspect of life..on the road i leave um to it cos they can end up killing you.....and others

Im not immmune to road rage but...luckly i havent had many people speeding up like that on me...i have to say if he continually did it i would probably want to crack his head open with a wheel brace...thats proabaly why i try and avoid people like this..best for every body

mike65

thats proabaly why i try and avoid people like this..best for every body

Hence the Chris Walken picture!

Speeding up on any sort of road as someone is about to overtake is the last word in wankerdom.

Mike.

prospect

jwt wrote:

maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here........


If you are driving along at 110kph and a car approaching you from behind goes to move into the overtaking lane travelling at a constant 120kph to pass you, why is it ok to speed up in the inside lane to frustrate/annoy/whatever the other driver who was driving properly, courteously and considerately?????

John

Dont mind them John, they are trolling. One lane, two lanes or ten lanes, it is illegal and dangerous to overtake on the inside in the situation you describe.

As for this 'i just put the foot down left him for dust' and 'i just gunned it again' and 'I put the boot down and left him for dead', :rolleyes: well that is all makey-uppy immature B.S., that more than likely never happened.

It reminds me of the Tommy Tiernan sketch, in your best D4 accent:
"I drove from Dublin to Galway yesterday, in 11 minutes"
"I swear to god Fintan, I fukking floooored it"

bungeecork

Caimin, that driver will do himself in one day, just be glad you weren't part of it that night.

I'm often tempted to jam on my brakes when drivers behind me are that close. Sure we'll both be damaged but it's their insurance that'd have to pay up. But that temptation is road-rage and I just have to try to be better than that.

tbh

bungeecork wrote:

Caimin, that driver will do himself in one day, just be glad you weren't part of it that night.

I'm often tempted to jam on my brakes when drivers behind me are that close. Sure we'll both be damaged but it's their insurance that'd have to pay up. But that temptation is road-rage and I just have to try to be better than that.

You're right bungee, and to be honest I find 80% of people on the road are grand. Actually, what I really would have loved would be a flashing blue light I could put on just as he was giving me the finger:D

Atomic Pineapple

Isnt knowing you have a more powerfull car not enough, if i had a powerfull car i'd just be thinking haha the jokes you i can easily over take you next straight there is.....i think speeding up as someone goes to overtake you is just not on.

rob1891

A cousin of mine had someone speed up on him as he was overtaking. Unfortunately he was the right age to be a bit egotistical, a bit over confident and had the fairly fast car to boot, so he dropped another gear and kept accelerating. Having eventually passed the car he was carrying far too much speed and approaching a bend. He couldn't loose enough momentum and lost it in the bend, went backwards into a power line, brought it down, thought he'd loose his licence and was threatened with a law suit by a local pub which lost a nights business due to the power outage!!! But overall he was lucky not to have killed himself or his passenger and has now had the pleasure of driving his girlfriend's fiesta in and out of London for the past 4 years. Hard lesson to learn. He's looking forward to getting a nice new focus for himself only now.

So kids, don't speed up on people trying to overtake you. And men, if some jack ass tries to race you ... don't be the jack ass wrapped around the lamp post!

fletch

C_Breeze wrote:

yeah , exactly same opinion here. on a single strecth road i see the danger but on the M50 its grand.

my story: was in my dads car with my dad (me drivin) . I was drivin nicley and overtaking 2 or 3 cars at reasonable speed on the m50 and some gob****e in an old 89 integra glued to my ass. As i passed the last car and wanting to pull back into left lane , the little f***er dives right in and tries to undertake me , so i just put the foot down left him for dust. - slowed down later on and comes up behind me again - and then tries one of these cool overtakin manouvers where he pulls out when he's 1cm away from your rear bumper , so as he pulled into the overtaking lane ,and tried flooring it , i just gunned it again - PRICELESS look on his face.

Out of curiousity what does your Dad drive?

Con9903

Yes another similar thing I hate is when cars overtake and hinder your progress. For example:
I'm driving along at 100kph on the dual carraigeway. A car accelerates up to 110kph and overtakes me and then returns into the inside lane and reduces their speed to 95kph thus hindering me and overtaking me for no reason. Did anyone else ever notice this?

Stephen

"Why do they do it?" - Because they're pricks. There is no other excuse.

C_Breeze

fletch wrote:

Out of curiousity what does your Dad drive?

Merc C-class

Seanie M

caimin wrote:

normally if someone wants to overtake me, I'm happy to help as it's better to let them go and not have them sitting on my ass. Last night I was coming down from Donegal, approaching the Carrickmacross by-pass, doing just on 100k. There was a car about 150 meters in front doing just over 100k. This asshole in an 06-DL Golf comes screaming up behind me, flashing his lights and coming within an inch of the car. It was getting dark, raining, I was doing the limit and there was nowhere for me to go. He went past me about 120, beeping his horn and giving me the finger. I hate to wish ill on anyone, but my God, I wish he'd gotten a puncture there and then and spun off to a firey death:mad:

Has anyone ever thought of reporting the reg's to a local garda station? I do, a lot of the time, in cases like this one. It sounds like the car was stolen and being joy ridden...

Seanie M

rob1891 wrote:

So kids, don't speed up on people trying to overtake you. And men, if some jack ass tries to race you ... don't be the jack ass wrapped around the lamp post!

Sound advice, but word it slightly better I think - don't be the jack ass full stop!

tbh

Seanie M wrote:

Has anyone ever thought of reporting the reg's to a local garda station? I do, a lot of the time, in cases like this one. It sounds like the car was stolen and being joy ridden...

I tried, but all I could get was the 06-DL bit. It was a silver golf. I was actually half-hoping that whoever it was posted on boards and would reveal himself! but if I'd caught up with him, or seen the reg first time, I would have called the Guards, for sure.

BrianD3

Onkle51 wrote:

I had an incident where I could have been killd. I was in the middle of three cars on the Straffan road. The car behind me was right up my a$$ and the car in front was doing around 65kph. So I went to overtake the car in front so the driver decided to floor it. But I couldn't pull back in because the car tht had been behind me had sped up along with another car behind him. I had to call on all the powers of my VW TDI to accelerate, as the op said, to serious penalty point speed to get past the idiot

Very dangerous situation alright. The drivers behind you had probably anticipated you completing your overtake and had started their acceleration so they could follow suit.

Even more dangerous is when you're overtaking a truck and the guy behind decides to follow *before* you've even completed the maneouvre. So you have a situation where you're overtaking on the wrong side of the road with a car right up your ass, also on the wrong side of the road. What happens if there is an emergency and the lead overtaker needs to abort? A very nasty situation could result.

Avoiding this sort of stuff shoudl be taught in driver training. It's a helluva lot more useful than a lot of the stuff that's examined on the driving test. How many people die every year in overtaking crashes? I'd say the figure is high. We test cars in the NCT but we don't teach drivers how to overtake safely, that's real clever :rolleyes:

Going back to speeding up when being overtaken - I have made my views known on this in numerous threads, its one of the most dangerous and annoying things a driver can do. However on the other side are drivers who pick an inapproriate time to overtake eg transition between speed limit zones. It is reasonable to assume that a vehicle ahead will speed up when going from a 50 km/h zone to a 100 km/h zone. I hate when people start to overtake me in these situations because then I have to back off to avoid a dangerous situation. I reckon a lot of Irish drivers would not be "on the ball" enough to back off in these situations.

Squirrel

Before my dad overtakes he drops into third gear usually, and goes by the car at speed limit + 10kph. He gets by safely, and also avoids the car accelerating since he's accelerating so hard himself.

In Dublin, the worst offenders are bus drivers, about a year ago on a bus to a work experience a double decker 54A did tis to some poor bastard in a Micra, Micra was destroyed

ds20prefecture

Big Balls wrote:

Totally agree with you but when someone pulls out to have a go at you just cause you're driving a fast car they can't play the card you're playing !!

Perhaps they're not "having a go". Perhaps they just want a look at your nice car?

This kind of competitive driving on a public road drives me nuts. I get it all the time when someone (particularly someone in a fast/powerful car) sees that they are being overtaken by an asthmatic 34 year old car. They get all affronted and put the foot to the floor to prove a point. I have no idea what point was in question, as they quickly leave my 98bhp 4 speed lard-ass in "their dust". Anybody with half a brain would understand that I'm not overtaking to ridicule them, or to "have a go", I'm overtaking because I'm in a rush somewhere and they are moving slower than me. When I catch up with them (as I invariably will) they go tearing off again, only for the cycle to repeat itself.

Bizarre.

shabbyroad

I'm puzzled by the original post.

What was so important about overtaking someone who was 5k below the 100k speed limit ?

Just so you could go an extra 5k faster ? :rolleyes:

the speed limit is a guideline for the max safe speed (depending upon road conditions) it's not a target.



And to anyone who thinks it's clever to hit the brakes if some gob****e is tailgating you : you are deluding yourselves if you think that you won't come off as bad as the car behind you. It's not about the 'insurance' or the 'law'... it's about what will happen to you and your passengers and other road users and pedestrians.

Everyone seems to be a ****ing lawyer and insurance expert when they get behind the wheel. :mad:

AMurphy

jwt wrote:

Why do people do this????
....
I indicated to pull out into the outside lane and I spot a puff of smoke from the exhaust and he's off down the road.

Pulled back in and two miles later I'm back behind him again. Indicated and got level with him and again he puts his foot down!
......

Why do they bother?

John

Don't know, any more than I can figure why do the other sect sit in the middle of the road doing 35 and blocking the lane.
Or why does someone else sit on your a$$ for miles on end, when they could just as easily pass by.

99.9% of the time I hold steady or maybe drop back so they get by faster.

Though there was that one one occasion where I actually sped up.

Approaching a roundAbout, somewhere in Limerick. 1 lane of traffic in each direction. all cars were moving along at a reasonable pace. I for whatever reason had a "large" distance, maybe 1.5 car lengths, between me and the car ahead and holding constant. Coming up to a RA this is handy as the exiting car could cut between you and the object ahead without stopping.
anyway, just as we appraoch the RA a taxi cuts out of the traffic behind, comes belting down the opposite lane and is trying to pass out on the entrance (1 car wide) to the RA, by darting into the gap I was maintaining. I see this, so for the heck of it I speed up to match his. so now we are 2 abrest, he's heading for the RA exit, or a block of concrete with a sign of lighted arrow that divides the lanes and I'm not yielding.
Finally he gets the idea and decides to stop or yield.

So, yeah, you could say I was being a jerk, but you'd have to give a good reason why passing out in such circumstance is not being jerk of equal proportions.

Sometimes just for the fun of it I see someone trying to weave through traffic here, by darting from one lane to another to another, then back to the first, etc. trying to pass on every lane, including the exits, So just to frustrate them further I like to box them in, but without changing speed more than a few MPH, if at all. Just kinds always drifting into their exit and boxing them in again and again, so after traveling 5 miles they are still on your door knob.

TempestSabre

Personally I think people do the slow down speed up thing because they can't drive around corners, or they are simply being nasty. To be honest if theres a long queue behind someone like this, the cops should do them for dangerous driving.

69 mustang

A guy I know got done for dangerous driving because the car he went to pass speed up and left him out on the wrong side of the road, further up the road there was a tax check point where the other guy reported him for cutting in too close to him.

leeroybrown

TempestSabre wrote:

Personally I think people do the slow down speed up thing because they can't drive around corners, or they are simply being nasty. To be honest if theres a long queue behind someone like this, the cops should do them for dangerous driving.

Quite often this is my motivation for overtaking a car that I would otherwise be happy to be behind. I also prefer to overtake when given a safe opportunity rather than wait and find myself in a procession caused by another slower car. I wouldn't necssarily agree that charging these people with dangerous (I think careless would be more apt) driving is necessarily the right approach but people should be taught to be more considerate of those behind them when they are on the road.

I also remember once driving on a particularly twisty (but not dangerous) road for about 10 miles behind a driver who never did more than 40 and sometimes slowed below 20 for a bend. There was particularly heavy oncoming traffic and I never got a safe opportunity to overtake. It was strange to have to drop to 2nd to take a moderate bends that weren't blind. This is obviously an extreme case but my automatic assumption was that the driver shouldn't have been on the road.

Gary ITR

Squirrel wrote:

Before my dad overtakes he drops into third gear usually, and goes by the car at speed limit + 10kph. He gets by safely, and also avoids the car accelerating since he's accelerating so hard himself.

In Dublin, the worst offenders are bus drivers, about a year ago on a bus to a work experience a double decker 54A did tis to some poor bastard in a Micra, Micra was destroyed

Jesus I hate when the bus drivers pull out when you'e passing them. Forcing you to go to the far side of the road into the oncoming traffic

prospect

AMurphy wrote:

So, yeah, you could say I was being a jerk, but you'd have to give a good reason why passing out in such circumstance is not being jerk of equal proportions.

That is all well & good, but what if some innocent driver came around the roundabout in the opposite direction, and ended up in a head-on collision with the taxi........

eas

what about getting the reg number and reporting them to the guards? Not sure what the outcome would be tho......?

leeroybrown

eas wrote:

what about getting the reg number and reporting them to the guards? Not sure what the outcome would be tho......?

To my knowledge these kind of complaints rarely go anywhere as it's one persons word versus another and the driver has to take the case not the gardai/state.

Big Balls

ds20prefecture wrote:

Perhaps they're not "having a go". Perhaps they just want a look at your nice car?

This kind of competitive driving on a public road drives me nuts. I get it all the time when someone (particularly someone in a fast/powerful car) sees that they are being overtaken by an asthmatic 34 year old car. They get all affronted and put the foot to the floor to prove a point. I have no idea what point was in question, as they quickly leave my 98bhp 4 speed lard-ass in "their dust". Anybody with half a brain would understand that I'm not overtaking to ridicule them, or to "have a go", I'm overtaking because I'm in a rush somewhere and they are moving slower than me. When I catch up with them (as I invariably will) they go tearing off again, only for the cycle to repeat itself.

Bizarre.

So when someone is cruising along but then they suddenly fly out into the lane and belt up past you it's just a coincidence? I dunno what car you drive but if it's anything performance based, you'll know what I mean from experience.

Big Balls

prospect wrote:

'I put the boot down and left him for dead', :rolleyes: well that is all makey-uppy immature B.S., that more than likely never happened.

Ah you're right.. a car with 200bhp would never pull a huge gap on a Renault Megane, what am I on about !!!

(I'm sorry to pick this post out but the only BS is in the above)!