rock player looking to change my game..

tie_mi_shu

i play weekly (probably weakly too ) with friends an i usually only play good cards etc, ie i can't bluff with bad cards.. if/when i get good cards and i bet (even the big blind amout) they fold :rolleyes: ...

any advice?



tia

jacQues

tie_mi_shu wrote:

i play weekly (probably weakly too ) with friends an i usually only play good cards etc, ie i can't bluff with bad cards.. if/when i get good cards and i bet (even the big blind amout) they fold :rolleyes: ...

any advice?

Assuming you're always playing with the same people. Next time simply triple the BB pre-flop every hand. They will catch on but in the mean time you are stealing their blinds. After they've figured out what you're doing go back to 'normal play', but they will be disoriented somewhat.

jacQues

Norwich Fan Rob

if u continually play with the same players, and continually use the same style of play, u will never do well.
U must adapt your game for the changing numbers of players at the table, the changing blind levels, and to profit most from whatever table image u set for yourself in the early levels.
Remember, a hand like A7 should be folded in an early position on an 8 or 9 handed table, but its a monster hand if there are only 2 or 3 players and the blinds are large, its an all in hand.
If your friends think u are a total rock, then make some raises in position with any cards, and take the blinds a few times, but most importantly, keep changing and mixing up your game, the hardest players to play against are the ones that are hardest to put on a hand.

tie_mi_shu

cool, thanks guys.. i do play with the usual 8/9 ppl.. i'll try the advice tonight when playing.. i'll let you know if i take home the €300+

thanks

Waylander

If you are on a steal, riase only in late position, not UTG as if you get called from early position you are probably in a world of trouble. From late position you will be able to put most players on a hand as they will have only limped or folded.

Ste05

The best piece of advice for you if you have this rock image, is to do more than pick up the blinds a few times in the early part of the game.

Changing from a tight style to a looser style will prove very difficult and probably not a good idea, although people won't be able to put you on hands as well as normal, you also will have this problem yourself. In the past you had an idea what sort of hands will call you. Now you won't be as sure.

I'd say the better advice would be to keep this tight image you have developed but try to utilise it better. for example if there are hands you would normally limp with or try to see a cheap flop with, e.g suited connectors, instead of always limping try raising and then showing the hand when everyone folds to you. This way they won't be so sure you don't have 56s instead of your usual AKs. Don't just become a maniac to get action. Confuse them all by varying the hands you're raising with.

You could also try a few more moves, one to try tonight and see how it gets on would be a "squeeze play".
This is where there is a raise and then a call before you. You go over the top of this raise (double the raise i.e. his raise is 3x BB, you re-raise to 9x BB) and if you have the right image and pick the right players to make it against (fairly loose raiser but capable of folding a hand after opening the pot, and fairly tight caller) you can pick up an awful lot more chips than just the blinds.
Be careful though, it may not work, it depends on what level the rest of the lads are at, but certainly worth a try.

The basic idea is that the original raiser has been called by a tightish player and then re-raised by a rock, so he needs a very big hand to continue. If he has a monster hand he'll re-raise you all-in and you can fold if you have rags. Normally he won't have AA though and he's worried about the guy who called, (is he behind him already) and now you have re-raised too, "surely one of them have me beat". The caller will also normally fold, he probably thought that he'd call this guys bet with something half decent and see what the flop brings (he'd probably re-raise with a very strong hand) but when you a rock comes over the top (with a proper raise - takes balls but needs to be proper) he's out of there. If you are called you have position in the hand so when they both check to you a half pot continuation bet should take down a lovely pot....

WARNING: Do not over do this move, you can only do it once maybe twice in a whole night otherwise it will just spew chips. So if it works when you do it don't think it will work everytime.

And let us know how you get on.....

EDIT: The cards you are holding have very little to do with this move. It's about the situation more than the cards. If you happen to have suited connectors or an A great. (Show them the one A if they all fold and you have A3o or something similar but muck the other)

mewso

Surprisingly my advice for tight players is to read Harrington's 2 books.

Doc Farrell

Ste05 wrote:

The best piece of advice for you if you have this rock image, is to do more than pick up the blinds a few times in the early part of the game.

Changing from a tight style to a looser style will prove very difficult and probably not a good idea, although people won't be able to put you on hands as well as normal, you also will have this problem yourself. In the past you had an idea what sort of hands will call you. Now you won't be as sure.

I'd say the better advice would be to keep this tight image you have developed but try to utilise it better. for example if there are hands you would normally limp with or try to see a cheap flop with, e.g suited connectors, instead of always limping try raising and then showing the hand when everyone folds to you. This way they won't be so sure you don't have 56s instead of your usual AKs. Don't just become a maniac to get action. Confuse them all by varying the hands you're raising with.

You could also try a few more moves, one to try tonight and see how it gets on would be a "squeeze play".
This is where there is a raise and then a call before you. You go over the top of this raise (double the raise i.e. his raise is 3x BB, you re-raise to 9x BB) and if you have the right image and pick the right players to make it against (fairly loose raiser but capable of folding a hand after opening the pot, and fairly tight caller) you can pick up an awful lot more chips than just the blinds.
Be careful though, it may not work, it depends on what level the rest of the lads are at, but certainly worth a try.

The basic idea is that the original raiser has been called by a tightish player and then re-raised by a rock, so he needs a very big hand to continue. If he has a monster hand he'll re-raise you all-in and you can fold if you have rags. Normally he won't have AA though and he's worried about the guy who called, (is he behind him already) and now you have re-raised too, "surely one of them have me beat". The caller will also normally fold, he probably thought that he'd call this guys bet with something half decent and see what the flop brings (he'd probably re-raise with a very strong hand) but when you a rock comes over the top (with a proper raise - takes balls but needs to be proper) he's out of there. If you are called you have position in the hand so when they both check to you a half pot continuation bet should take down a lovely pot....

WARNING: Do not over do this move, you can only do it once maybe twice in a whole night otherwise it will just spew chips. So if it works when you do it don't think it will work everytime.

And let us know how you get on.....

EDIT: The cards you are holding have very little to do with this move. It's about the situation more than the cards. If you happen to have suited connectors or an A great. (Show them the one A if they all fold and you have A3o or something similar but muck the other)

classy advice as usual, wish i could remember half of it.

kincsem

Good players try to win chips over a series of many hands. Poor players know they are outclassed and give it a shot by risking all on one hand. Many see poker tournament edited highlights on TV and think most play is "all-in", "all-in", "all-in". A good player will build his chips, will have the biggest stack on the table, and will never be all-in because he/she will have the big stack.

Don't make the mistake most beginners make when they decide to bluff. They figure that if you are going to bluff you must go down the deck to something like 25 unsuited and then put in all your chips. For some reason they think the bigger the bluff the better the player.

Wait until a few players have folded then put in a raise of three or four times the big blind with something like A9, QT, K8. If you are called you can see a flop and probably improve to a hand you can bet with.

If you are playing in a home game where everyone calls then you are going to have to show down a hand at the finish to win the pot. So start with good cards and fold bad cards. And if you do not improve on the flop then fold to a bet unless you can beat what is on the flop / likely to be out. If you are not in a hand watch what cards the other players show at the end. You will build a picture of their play (do they bluff?/ do they have the goods?)

And don't be dazzled by suited cards. They should never be a factor in making your decision.

Hold Em is a big card game.