1,000,000 piggy point tournament

decbuck · 21-12-2005 7:56am #1

Anyone know the format of this tournament? Blind structure, pay outs etc..

How many players do you think will be in it?

OilBeefHooked2 · 21-12-2005 10:23am

same as usally 8 min blinds and structure as per ppp.

usally about 50+ but prob be more like a 100 for this one i'd say.

DeadParrot · 21-12-2005 12:25pm

I reckon its a winner takes all event.
Usual thing though...half the people entered will be disconnected players
and some lucky so & so can just raise each hand and collect the blinds.....

PPP-Pit Boss · 21-12-2005 5:40pm

The format will be the same as alll the other piggy point tournaments. The discons are caused by the piggies paying points and not showing up. Entry for the tournament is 200 points and 1 million points are up for grabs. Payment structure (indeed payment) is organised by pigsback so you would need to contact them regarding that.
Good luck to all the piggies!
What would you do with 1 million piggy points? :P

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 21-12-2005 6:34pm

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

The format will be the same as alll the other piggy point tournaments. The discons are caused by the piggies paying points and not showing up. Entry for the tournament is 200 points and 1 million points are up for grabs. Payment structure (indeed payment) is organised by pigsback so you would need to contact them regarding that.
Good luck to all the piggies!
What would you do with 1 million piggy points? :P

nice to see you back on boards - you haven't been on for ages!

OilBeefHooked2 · 22-12-2005 8:38am

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

What would you do with 1 million piggy points? :P

buy pp vouchers of course

therecklessone · 22-12-2005 8:43am

david-k wrote:

buy pp vouchers of course

Only allowed 10x€5 (5000 points worth) and they're free bet vouchers, not for use on the poker.

The tournies aren't usually winner takes all, think 1st gets 50% but after that can't recall.

PPP-Pit Boss · 22-12-2005 10:27am

Roundtower2 wrote:

nice to see you back on boards - you haven't been on for ages!

Did ya miss me?

califano · 22-12-2005 10:32am

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Did ya miss me?

"Like a hole in the head"(stock workplace gag)

blahblah06 · 22-12-2005 10:33am

Dman i was too late to reg. any chance ppp pit boss?

masterK · 22-12-2005 11:19am

DeadParrot wrote:

I reckon its a winner takes all event.
Usual thing though...half the people entered will be disconnected players
and some lucky so & so can just raise each hand and collect the blinds.....

I have to say that drives me mad, if there is somebody next to a a couple of discons they can not help but win, especially when the blinds go quite high. I sent a mail to PPP about this and they said there is nothing they can do. Surely the s/w provider could just remove these players from the game?

PPP-Pit Boss · 22-12-2005 11:24am

Master no. The system sees the player as disconnected as the player is not logged in. This is the same state as the player would be in were they legitimately disconnected (not logged in). In live poker players are not removed from the tournament along with their chips if they are absent so we cannot adopt this policy online either.
Dont get me wrong, I agree it is infuriating and really if you register for a tournament giveaway or no you should try to play it or not bother in the first place. I am looking into alternatives as in Live poker after a circuit a blind is taken each round.

Blah.. If you can convince Pigsback to deduct the points I will have you registered for the tournament.
mail me your ppp user name and pigsback member number and I will contact and see what I can do.
nnewman@paddypower.com

DeadParrot · 22-12-2005 11:42am

therecklessone wrote:

Only allowed 10x€5 (5000 points worth) and they're free bet vouchers, not for use on the poker.

The tournies aren't usually winner takes all, think 1st gets 50% but after that can't recall.

Even though on pigsback they say
'Are you looking for something to do with your PiggyPoints
Why not cash them in for Paddy Power Poker vouchers?'
Sly

masterK · 22-12-2005 11:54am

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Master no. The system sees the player as disconnected as the player is not logged in. This is the same state as the player would be in were they legitimately disconnected (not logged in). In live poker players are not removed from the tournament along with their chips if they are absent so we cannot adopt this policy online either.
Dont get me wrong, I agree it is infuriating and really if you register for a tournament giveaway or no you should try to play it or not bother in the first place. I am looking into alternatives as in Live poker after a circuit a blind is taken each round.

I see your point, would it not even be possible to say if a player was disconnected when the tournament started and remained disconnected after 15 minutes or 10 hands of play that they could be removed as it would be unlikely that they will ever log on. I've played in a few tournaments where this happens and it totally ruins the whole tournament as those who are positioned next to discons have such a massive advantage.

blahblah06 · 22-12-2005 12:04pm

cheers mate. i owe ya one

PPP-Pit Boss · 22-12-2005 12:07pm

I know what you mean but it is plausible that a player could experience a disconnect prior to tournament start (post registration) so you could imagine how inundated we might be with "i was discon, YOU REMOVED ME!". Also if we apply this it would apply to all tournaments. Including STT 1x1 etcetera.
There is a solution required though, as I have experienced it on other sites and it is highly unpleasent.

bmc · 22-12-2005 12:19pm

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

as I have experienced it on other sites and it is highly unpleasent.

So...

Which sites have you enjoyed playing on most? Have you any recommendations?

califano · 22-12-2005 1:15pm

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

I know what you mean but it is plausible that a player could experience a disconnect prior to tournament start (post registration) so you could imagine how inundated we might be with "i was discon, YOU REMOVED ME!". Also if we apply this it would apply to all tournaments. Including STT 1x1 etcetera.
There is a solution required though, as I have experienced it on other sites and it is highly unpleasent.

ppp-pit boss or karl?
Can software be adapted for giveaway&freeroll tournaments to combat 'no shows' where on registration players are greeted with a 'use it or lose it prompt' along the lines of "If you are either disconnected or logged out upon the start of this tournament you will be unregistered automatically"?. just an idea for freerolls and giveaways only.

If not
Only open registration for giveaways and freerolls 2 hours or so from start of tournament. This would stop a lot of no shows registering a day or so in advance and not bothering or forgetting to turn up?.

OilBeefHooked2 · 22-12-2005 1:17pm

masterK wrote:

I see your point, would it not even be possible to say if a player was disconnected when the tournament started and remained disconnected after 15 minutes or 10 hands of play that they could be removed as it would be unlikely that they will ever log on. I've played in a few tournaments where this happens and it totally ruins the whole tournament as those who are positioned next to discons have such a massive advantage.

discon's should not be treated any differently to anyone else and as long as they have chips then they have as much right as anyone to be in the tourney!

you say it ruins the tourney?
players who are sitted to the right of discons have a huge advantage! how?

califano · 22-12-2005 1:22pm

david-k wrote:

you say it ruins the tourney?
players who are sitted to the right of discons have a huge advantage! how?

Because the player just has to raise and the software will automatically fold the discon's hand. People further right of the discon doesnt have the same luxury as they still have a live player or more to get through before the discon's turn.

PPP-Pit Boss · 22-12-2005 1:38pm

Unfortunately the differentiating factor in a giveaway / freeroll / paid tourney is only a buyin field so the answer there is a no Im afraid.
Do try to do this with a lot of giveaway this tournament we are talking about is not free it costs piggy points to enter (but the perceived value is a connection). Ideally I would like to emulate live play and charge a full blind each hand after a circuit. But is this a harsh approach?

califano · 22-12-2005 1:47pm

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Unfortunately the differentiating factor in a giveaway / freeroll / paid tourney is only a buyin field so the answer there is a no Im afraid.
Do try to do this with a lot of giveaway this tournament we are talking about is not free it costs piggy points to enter (but the perceived value is a connection). Ideally I would like to emulate live play and charge a full blind each hand after a circuit. But is this a harsh approach?

Ok. and the idea of only opening registration closer to the off?

OilBeefHooked2 · 22-12-2005 2:09pm

rounders123 wrote:

Because the player just has to raise and the software will automatically fold the discon's hand. People further right of the discon doesnt have the same luxury as they still have a live player or more to get through before the discon's turn.

yes i understand that but we're only talking about a blind here. its not a big deal. and the player can only do that if there is noone else in the hand already.imho i'd say it much more to do with the pyhcological aspect of some player picking up easy chips than the fact that they can build a stack easily. so the player who has the grieveance get in the pot or "shut up" cause how is this differeent to any other bb steal?

PPP pit boss leave it as it is. it balance's out over time!;)

PPP-Pit Boss · 22-12-2005 2:14pm

rounders123 wrote:

Ok. and the idea of only opening registration closer to the off?

Yes I completely concur here. Whenever we have done this it has cut down somewhat on the discons. However with Pigsback it is an invitational tournament so it is closed to outside registration and this tournament is in fact the best onsite example of discons going!

OilBeefHooked2 · 22-12-2005 2:37pm

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

this tournament is in fact the best onsite example of discons going!

I take it you've never played the brekie roll or the fast food:p

PPP-Pit Boss · 22-12-2005 2:50pm

david-k wrote:

I take it you've never played the brekie roll or the fast food:p

I never play in any of em

not permissable by ppp law :mad: I just sit there and watch and occasionally make sarcy comments

DeadParrot · 28-12-2005 3:09pm

an all right 20th....
pocket aces screwed me over but it was my own fault
only bet 2xblinds
let the flop come
8q8 rainbow
bet 4xBlinds..got a call
turn came out 7c
got a check, then raised vill all-in
he calls shows q4.....
river comes out a........guess what, mrs queen.
My own fault for leting the flop go

Santa Claus · 28-12-2005 3:19pm

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

Yes I completely concur here. Whenever we have done this it has cut down somewhat on the discons. However with Pigsback it is an invitational tournament so it is closed to outside registration and this tournament is in fact the best onsite example of discons going!

I've played in several pigsback tournies where there were people from UK & US who had never heard of Pigsback and have joined what they see as a cash game through whatever skin they are using, so it obviously IS OPEN to outside registration !!!

PPP-Pit Boss · 28-12-2005 3:34pm

No it is not. It is an invitational skin specific tournament. There was one single occasion where the tournament was not posted as an invitational and in that case other players did get into it (ONE ONLY) even in that case US players never played as the tournament is PP only and we do not have (permit) any US players on our site.

DeadParrot · 28-12-2005 4:16pm

about that...
when I was living in canada
I didnt have any hassle logging on
I know for a fact with vcpoker...and Im pretty sure yourselves as well

masterK · 28-12-2005 10:19pm

Does anybody have any idea of the prize breakdown for this tournament, I came 9th and was wondering if I'd get anything?

RoundTower · 29-12-2005 2:23am

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

In live poker players are not removed from the tournament along with their chips if they are absent so we cannot adopt this policy online either.

This is a bit misleading:

1. In any live tournament I am running, players are removed from the table after a few rounds if they're clearly not coming back.

2. Just because something doesn't happen in real life (even if it does) wouldn't mean you can't adopt that policy online. In live poker people can't multitable, for example, or (generally) play wearing only their underwear, but on Paddy Power I have been allowed do this.

Also to those who think being on the right of a disconnected player is a big advantage, it is, but you also have a substantial advantage wherever you are on the table.

5starpool · 29-12-2005 4:56am

RoundTower wrote:

or (generally) play wearing only their underwear, but on Paddy Power I have been allowed do this.

Thanks for the information.........

Santa Claus · 29-12-2005 8:42am

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

No it is not. It is an invitational skin specific tournament. There was one single occasion where the tournament was not posted as an invitational and in that case other players did get into it (ONE ONLY) even in that case US players never played as the tournament is PP only and we do not have (permit) any US players on our site.

I've experienced this on 4 occassions Pit Boss and have been in touch with pigsback each time (and there have been US players as I've spoken to them at my table).

karlh · 29-12-2005 10:34am

Santa Claus wrote:

I've experienced this on 4 occassions Pit Boss and have been in touch with pigsback each time (and there have been US players as I've spoken to them at my table).

To play in the tournaments players have to have registered a real money account. Thay are automatically forbidden from setting one up if they are from the US. The only explanation is that they set up Pigsback accounts, registered PPP accounts under european addresses and never deposited funds which would usually check if the address is correct

Either way, Americans are terrible at poker, you should be grateful

*joke*

**kinda**

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 29-12-2005 1:11pm

if someone pays the entrance to a tourament, they should have the right to sit in it even if they don't do anything. it's a simple contractual issue imho. if i buy a cinema ticket, i have the right to watch that movie, even if i choose not to go and see it. think it is as simple as that. if you pay, then you can play, the organiser shouldn't be allowed to throw you out just because you might not turn up.

PPP-Pit Boss · 29-12-2005 1:46pm

Roundtower2 wrote:

if someone pays the entrance to a tourament, they should have the right to sit in it even if they don't do anything. it's a simple contractual issue imho. if i buy a cinema ticket, i have the right to watch that movie, even if i choose not to go and see it. think it is as simple as that. if you pay, then you can play, the organiser shouldn't be allowed to throw you out just because you might not turn up.

::::APPLAUDS:::::

Absolutely. And once again I point out that the software sees a disconnected player as not logged in. Therefore to introduce this rule in a country where broadband penetrations is still under 5% would be a terrible move.

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 04-01-2006 2:48pm

hi, registered for the piggypoints tournament on ppp tonight. shows up on pigsback as registered, but not showing up in ppp as entered in the tournament. has anyone had the same problem?

karlh · 04-01-2006 3:10pm

when did you register and what's your screen name?

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 04-01-2006 3:17pm

karlh wrote:

when did you register and what's your screen name?

thanks karl

registered on Saturday. It is showing up in Pigsback.com as me being registered and the registration points were taken out of my account.

my account id is "Roundtower3" on paddypowerpoker...

karlh · 04-01-2006 4:02pm

Pigsback are sending me an updated list and I will post this as tonight's tourney. You should be on it then, will let you know.

They should have taken down the reg page but since it was left open, certain players were not registered by our deadline.

Thanks,
Karl

karlh · 04-01-2006 5:05pm

you are added now RT, will take a few mins to appear in client.

best of luck!

karlh.

Hitchhiker's Guide to... · 04-01-2006 6:47pm

thanks Karl! (sorry for taking up your time with the most minor of problems!)

karlh · 04-01-2006 8:13pm

i live to give!

1,000,000 piggy point tournament

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