Whats the story with Boy Racers

RealCar

I never get this

All these guys who buy crappy micras etc with 1l engines, then think that if they stick a loud exhaust on it, some allows, big Micra stickers and some tints that then they have a happening car which is fast!

I feel sorry for these losers. Why not save up for a car that actually is half decent

And why do they always accelerate as fast as they can and drive like loonies!

I find it sad tho coz in my 2l 165bhp alfa I could just touch the accelerator and say bye bye on the motorway

Why do they feel they need to drive like that? I think its an inferiority complex, they kno they cant afford the insurane on a REAL sports car so just mod a cheap car and drive like ****

I dont need to take off first at the lights coz I KNOW I have a decent car and that I can leave these fools smellin my exhaust fumes, I dont need to prove it

Anyone else agree?

Volvoboy

hmmmmmm its all got to do with the fact that these are young blokes and girls they want to go fast but insurance as i'm sure you know is through the roof in this country so they get insured on a 998cc micra cheaper than a galanza or a gt starlet. tart it up to there own taste, i havent got a problem with it really as long as there not hurting anybody in the prosess whats the harm.

Only thing i do have a problem with is the fact that they speed around estates, but the person who lives in blackrock and driving a s class or a 320 beemer are just as likely to speed than the person in the tarted up micra.

mike65

If this is a troll you're on the wrong forum, ppl here are dedicated modifiers not boy racers (honest!).

The loud exhaust thing pisses me off, tonight I was just about to get in my car for home when two low-slung Japanese models went past on the road, you could hear then for miles (in the countryside) but the thing was they were doing about 100 kph tops!

All show...

Mike.

drdre

some of the modified cars look good but not micras,these guys just have the money to buy nicer cars and also they cannot afford the high insurance.its alright that u have a micra but just donot do them up.they look knackery with the underneath neons and the stupid exhausts with a hole pierced in it to make it louder.:D

JohnCleary

RealCar wrote:

I never get this

All these guys who buy crappy micras etc with 1l engines, then think that if they stick a loud exhaust on it, some allows, big Micra stickers and some tints that then they have a happening car which is fast!

I feel sorry for these losers. Why not save up for a car that actually is half decent

And why do they always accelerate as fast as they can and drive like loonies!

I find it sad tho coz in my 2l 165bhp alfa I could just touch the accelerator and say bye bye on the motorway

Why do they feel they need to drive like that? I think its an inferiority complex, they kno they cant afford the insurane on a REAL sports car so just mod a cheap car and drive like ****

I dont need to take off first at the lights coz I KNOW I have a decent car and that I can leave these fools smellin my exhaust fumes, I dont need to prove it

Anyone else agree?

Cause theyre w4nkers lol

drdre

thats a good one john.:D
this what happends to boy racers.:D

fonda

RealCar wrote:

I never get this

All these guys who buy crappy micras etc with 1l engines, then think that if they stick a loud exhaust on it, some allows, big Micra stickers and some tints that then they have a happening car which is fast!

I feel sorry for these losers. Why not save up for a car that actually is half decent

And why do they always accelerate as fast as they can and drive like loonies!

I find it sad tho coz in my 2l 165bhp alfa I could just touch the accelerator and say bye bye on the motorway

Why do they feel they need to drive like that? I think its an inferiority complex, they kno they cant afford the insurane on a REAL sports car so just mod a cheap car and drive like ****

I dont need to take off first at the lights coz I KNOW I have a decent car and that I can leave these fools smellin my exhaust fumes, I dont need to prove it

Anyone else agree?

Did you have your ****ty alfa when you were 18 or 19, how can someone in college say afford a 2.0 litre alfa and insure it?

mike65

Cool it, maybe his daddy is rich. Also if you suspect a troll, don't feed it.

Mike.

toffeapple

f**cking alfa's are made by fiat!! look at the second hand value on them they are balls of dirt why don't you check with a mechanic or some one who knows about cars cos you ovibously don't have a clue.. and if you think im judging you by the car you drive you'd be right...why are you slagging of young lads who are just starting out why does it bother you so much..everyone was young once not everyone can afford insurance

RealCar

I know that young people cant afford cars that are expensive, my first car was a 10 year old corrola which was worth 1000 quid

However I did not tint the windows, put alloys and a loud exhaust and sound system on it and then go odrivin around like a lunatic to try and prove somethin to my mates

My problem with these guys is that most of them drive around like madmen, taking off as fast as they can at lights and speeding

How do i know this is true? Accident statistics show that these are the people that are most likely to be involved in accidents

The real indications of this are the insurance companies: insurance is so high for this age group because these are the high risk drivers: remember insurance companies are tryin to make a profit, they employ actuaries high salaries to come up with this stuff so I will believe them on this one

You rarely see someone in a suped up car drivin safely and that may be a generalisation but i think it is true and ask most people and they will agree with that

BTW I aint a troll just have an opinion

And if you start talkin childishly bout alfas and how they are **** it obviously means you dont have a real point to make

My point by mentioning the alfa is that I dont feel the need to drive around like a loony to prove anything yet these guys in there suped up cars do

BTW ferrari is also made by fiat, does that mean ferraris are crap? Most of the cars in the world are made my 3 main companies so that point is just a load of crap. You have just showed mate that you know nothin about cars. Lambos are made by audi now, does that mean that they are a borin german car? What about masserati? Jags are just fords, lexus just toyota!

Get your facts right mate!

And btw old alfas have a bad rep, but since the 156 came out reliability has improved in leaps and bounds, and if alfas are so crap, why did both the 156 and 147 win numerous awards?

sandyg

Firstly i think that toffeeapple should get a round of applause for telling us that "f**cking alfa's are made by fiat!!!" (I would never have known that)

If you go to www.caroftheyear.org you will see that Fiat have won car of the year in 84, 89, 95, 96, 98 - being Alfa 156) and 04 with the panda. So why come out with a statement that "Fiat are ***t??"

Top Gear cannot praise the panda enough - made by Fiat!

toffeapple

ferrari is owned by fiat they do not share any parts with fiat/alfa same with maserati who share parts /engines with ferrari.....thats getting of the point anyway..the reason i was slagging your car is to make the point that everyone one is different we all like different motors or can afford different motors..i used to own an alfa 33 1.7 cloverleaf..was a laugh to drive(po*y offset pedals but)..i dont hate alfa's at all trying to make a point with you...this is a forum about modified motors what kind of reaction did you think you where going to receive

RealCar

Again I stress is that my main point is that most who drive these cars drive dangerously and are involved in a lot of accidents, I dont mind this, however I do mind if its an innocent person who gets knoked down by these fools

the_syco

RealCar wrote:

Again I stress is that my main point is that most who drive these cars drive dangerously and are involved in a lot of accidents, I dont mind this, however I do mind if its an innocent person who gets knoked down by these fools

How many of the people who crash have a full license?

Skalragg

drdre wrote:

thats a good one john.:D
this what happends to boy racers.:D

that aint even got anything modifyed, not even a custom exhaust. how the hell can you say boy racers.....or whatever.

Skalragg

I know that young people cant afford cars that are expensive, my first car was a 10 year old corrola which was worth 1000 quid

However I did not tint the windows, put alloys and a loud exhaust and sound system on it and then go odrivin around like a lunatic to try and prove somethin to my mates

My problem with these guys is that most of them drive around like madmen, taking off as fast as they can at lights and speeding

How do i know this is true? Accident statistics show that these are the people that are most likely to be involved in accidents

The real indications of this are the insurance companies: insurance is so high for this age group because these are the high risk drivers: remember insurance companies are tryin to make a profit, they employ actuaries high salaries to come up with this stuff so I will believe them on this one

You rarely see someone in a suped up car drivin safely and that may be a generalisation but i think it is true and ask most people and they will agree with that

BTW I aint a troll just have an opinion

And if you start talkin childishly bout alfas and how they are **** it obviously means you dont have a real point to make

My point by mentioning the alfa is that I dont feel the need to drive around like a loony to prove anything yet these guys in there suped up cars do

BTW ferrari is also made by fiat, does that mean ferraris are crap? Most of the cars in the world are made my 3 main companies so that point is just a load of crap. You have just showed mate that you know nothin about cars. Lambos are made by audi now, does that mean that they are a borin german car? What about masserati? Jags are just fords, lexus just toyota!

Get your facts right mate!

And btw old alfas have a bad rep, but since the 156 came out reliability has improved in leaps and bounds, and if alfas are so crap, why did both the 156 and 147 win numerous awards?

OMG, ok wait, hold up bud,

your saying u rarely see soemone in a suped up car driving safe ....ok,listen, i know tons of people with modified cars,i go on cruises and car meets, but its generally rich businessmen who act the maggit on the roads, eg. i was in a guys honda integra r-type 1.8litre, completely done up. we were driving behind a toyota supra 3.0litre on dual carraigeway doing 100kmph which is the limit, and an unbelieveable amount of cars were flying past us.
they werent micras with load exhausts (i have yet to see anyone ever soup up a nissan micra just for the record)it was businessmen in their 30s to 40s speeding by in their alfas, toyota avensis's, volvos,
yeah there are a small purtion of muppets out there who waste their cahs modifying a heap of crap
however people who spend absolute thousands on their cars,like integras, preludes,skylines,supras. bellive me they arent going to drivee the crap out of it,the last thing they want is for it to be damaged,cause they spend every spare cent they have on the car,
a large portion dont drink or do smoke casue simply they are spending enough money on the cars as it is, its a hobby and a social life for them

another thing which makes your whole post in my opinion wrong,is you saying that young people in modifyed cars are the most liekly to have accidents,and its a fact and there are statitics. WRONG
yes young people are involved in more accidents, but the majority of them are provisional drivers who are learning, not poeple with load exhausts,so stop making up Sh!t just so u can get your incorrect views accross

i dont hear you bitching about older drivers drink driving, cause lets understand soemthing, you are using idiotic generalising to paint a picture about all car modifiers, and stereotypically males over 30 are the majority of people getting busted for drink driving

5500

RealCar wrote:

My problem with these guys is that most of them drive around like madmen, taking off as fast as they can at lights and speeding

How do i know this is true? Accident statistics show that these are the people that are most likely to be involved in accidents

?

Can you not distinguish the difference between a modifyer and a boy racer?If your problem is with peoples attitudes on the road or there driving ability then address it as that,just dont be so quick to tar all owners with the same brush

Id also like to see these statistics you speak of,while your at it see if you can find any for middle aged drunk drivers too - i wonder which is higher

*Oul_Doll_Cork*

I know that young people cant afford cars that are expensive, my first car was a 10 year old corrola which was worth 1000 quid

However I did not tint the windows, put alloys and a loud exhaust and sound system on it and then go odrivin around like a lunatic to try and prove somethin to my mates

They obviously just want to make the car personal! Leave them off they aren't doing you any harm!! Just because you didn't do it doesn't mean that all the young people who do it are wrong!!

My problem with these guys is that most of them drive around like madmen, taking off as fast as they can at lights and speeding

How do i know this is true? Accident statistics show that these are the people that are most likely to be involved in accidents

Ok, I thought this thread was about how you hate the way young people drive around in suped up micras thinking they are cool??
Now your saying that statistics show that people in micras with tinted windows and loud exhausts are more likely to be involved in accidents! :rolleyes: Were you trying to say that young people in general are more likely to be involved in accidents???
Most people forget that the majority of people on the road are young male drivers, of course there are going to be more accidents involving young male drivers!

You rarely see someone in a suped up car drivin safely and that may be a generalisation but i think it is true and ask most people and they will agree with that

Bull****, Bull****, Bull****! Yes there are some skangers around who think they are from the fast and the furious with their micras & fiestas with tinted windows and go faster stickers!! What people fail to realise is that the people with the fastest cars and the most modified motors are probably the safest drivers around... because they love their cars & they look after them!


In future put some thought into your threads! Serious you just came across as a right little twat who just doesn't have a clue about modified motors... or anything in general for that matter!

RealCar

Man o Man

I wish people would get their facts straight


As someone who works in connection with the insurance industry, I would like to clarify for Corkie that young males(which in general in the industry is considered to be 18-24) do NOT make up the majority of drivers. Which makes sense considering most cannot afford the exorbitant insurance premiums at this age

Next young males do make up the majority of car accidents, and another point that those in modified cars are disproportionately represented in this group ie they are a higher risk

BTW these are ACTUAL facts, not just someones opinion

My conclusion from this has been that these guys in modded cars drive dangerously, this would also fit with my own personal views from experience of seein the wayy these guys drive the cars that they are dangerous drivers

I am afraid Corkie that the facts speak for themselves, I am only giving my opinion on the facts. And again I dont care if these guys drive dangerously and put themselves in a wheelchair, if they bring someone along for the ride tho ie an innocent bystander then I think it is disgusting that an innocent person loses their life just become some guy with a small manhood is tryin to prove to his sad mates he can drive like Schuey

Mod_Man

Actually if you look at the statistics.. you'll be suprised to find that women are involved in more accidents ( just less expensive accidents). Its most likely that you've just been brainwashed into this stereo type by expensive ad campaigns funded by the Motor insurance industry to justify the exorbitant premiums they like to charge young male drivers..

To get back to your point, not a fan of 'tarted' up micras either, but I can understand why they do it.. Insurance companies won't allow them to buy a 'real' car...

RealCar

ModMan

I am very aware that women are involved in more accidents, but women tend to crash into parked cars, and knock wing mirrors off in the carpark

Most people arent really interested in these statistics as they dont really interest anyone as no-one gets hurt

the_syco

Question to the dude who works in in connection with the insurance industry: do many people register their nice bits on the insurance? And if so, does the insurance go up by much? And how many of them that don't get in accidents?

JohnCleary

the_syco wrote:

Question to the dude who works in the insurance company: do many people register their nice bits on the insurance? And if so, does the insurance go up by much?

I told my insurance company that I have Chrome wheels on the car, they said it didnt matter, but got it in writing to be safe.. no change to premium

Mod_Man

RealCar wrote:

ModMan

I am very aware that women are involved in more accidents, but women tend to crash into parked cars, and knock wing mirrors off in the carpark

Most people arent really interested in these statistics as they dont really interest anyone as no-one gets hurt

Well statistics are often mis-used by the Insurance industry to paint an image of all young drivers as "the root of evil" on our roads..

For example, they used to quote a statistic on a television ad saying that young male drivers were responsible for "50% of all accidents" this sounds pretty terrible when taken in this context as young drivers only represent 10% of the driving population. The bit they conveniently left out was " of all the accidents they are involved in". So a 50/50 chance of being responsible for an accident.. not so bad... So don't believe all the Stero-types you hear.. As the motives for them aren't always in the interest of Safety...

JohnCleary

Mod_Man wrote:

Well statistics are often mis-used by the Insurance industry to paint an image of all young drivers as "the root of evil" on our roads..

For example, they used to quote a statistic on a television ad saying that young male drivers were responsible for "50% of all accidents" this sounds pretty terrible when taken in this context as young drivers only represent 10% of the driving population. The bit they conveniently left out was " of all the accidents they are involved in". So a 50/50 chance of being responsible for an accident.. not so bad... So don't believe all the Stero-types you hear.. As the motives for them aren't always in the interest of Safety...

85% of stats are made up on the spot. FACT

Cerberus

To the OP.
Firstly:
You won't find anyone here that will disagree that a considerable percentage of young male drivers have a tendency to drive beyond the limits of their skill and experience. They drive too fast for prevailing conditions and take unnecessary risks just to show off and prove their manliness. I don't need any statistics to tell me this, two dead friends is sadly enough information for me. However neither you, the insurance companies nor gardai are ever going to change this behaviour. Anyone with any basic knowledge of human behaviour can see that this is typical behaviour of young males in EVERY aspect of life - sport, drinking, working, fighting etc...not just in driving. Good luck trying to change evolutionary instincts.

Secondly:
This forum is not called "Irresponsible young male drivers forum". This forum is for people of ALL ages and ALL genders who have an interest in modified cars. You'll have people here who have cars with only a "No Fear" sticker all the way to people with full blown impractical purpose built show cars. You'll have entirely aesthetic modifications and entirely performance modifications and cars in between. You said in one of your posts:

Next young males do make up the majority of car accidents, and another point that those in modified cars are disproportionately represented in this group ie they are a higher risk

BTW these are ACTUAL facts, not just someones opinion

I would genuinely like to see these ACTUAL facts that show that "those in modified cars are disproportionately represented in this group ie they are a higher risk". I have never been quoted a higher premium due to having aesthetic modifications on my car. Never. Actual fact. I have, however, been quoted higher premiums due to performance modifications. Which is entirely understandable given that the speed and acceleration of the vehicle is increased. If these actuaries are as good as you say they are then surely they should be loading me for all this extra gear I have attached. So what is a modified car????? Going by your statistics I'm less likely to cause an accident if I don't drive a modified car? Obviously that's nonsense, because my skill level and experience will not change if I go and drive a bog standard Primera. Therefore it's not modified cars that are the problem, but the drivers. So banning modified cars will not reduce the accident rates. That's not statistics. Thats logic.

Thirdly:
Your forum ettiquette leaves an awful lot to be desired. It is considered extremely rude to come on to a dedicated forum and start flaming, trolling, baiting, ranting and raving. If I was a mod on this forum I would ban you from it. It would be no great loss for either party. This site is for fans of modified cars. It's not a garbage can for people with chips on their shoulders. What would you think of me if I went onto a dedicated Alfa owners site and put up a post stating that ALL alfas are unreliable piles of depreciation on wheels? You would think I was a pr1ck. And rightly so. Consider therefore what is thought of you now on boards.ie by anyone who has read your initial and subsequent posts on this forum. Have some manners and people will accord you theirs.

Fourthly:
You'll need to touch the accelerator a lot harder on your 2l 165bhp Alfa if you want to say "hello", never mind "goodbye", to my crappy modified car when it unleashes 250 lbft of torque on your REAL sports cars' a$$. You'll probably win the race though as I can't do more than 120kph on the motorway for some reason...

ando

RealCar wrote:

in my 2l 165bhp alfa I could just touch the accelerator and say bye bye on the motorway

racing on public roads RealCar.... what would that make you ... tut tut?

ok enough, all your posts are based on these facts you have. Before you spit out any more, back them up or you'll be put down as a troll

elexes

RealCar could you post links to where your getting these " facts " my car was modified 2 moths after i bought it i now have it 18 months i was driving for 2 years before that ive never been the cause of a axident or been in one . but ive had people drive into my parked modified car .

i would say that judging by the ammount of fatal axidents cause every week that the majourity of them could of been avoided if the roads were of better quality . the n52 is a death trap in the 3+ years ive been with my gf ive seen many fatal axidents on it .


do post up those links or tell me where i can go to find out this info cause ive always wanted to know how many modified cars are in axidents compaired to the standard one and the cause of the axidents . from what i rember there is no such detailed info as yet . but i do admit i havent looked for the info since june


ive also declared all my mods to my ins company
body kit and 17" wheels and lowered suspension .
my ins went up by a grand total of €00.00

Mexicola

Cerberus wrote:

To the OP.
Thirdly:
Your forum ettiquette leaves an awful lot to be desired. It is considered extremely rude to come on to a dedicated forum and start flaming, trolling, baiting, ranting and raving. If I was a mod on this forum I would ban you from it. It would be no great loss for either party. This site is for fans of modified cars. It's not a garbage can for people with chips on their shoulders. What would you think of me if I went onto a dedicated Alfa owners site and put up a post stating that ALL alfas are unreliable piles of depreciation on wheels? You would think I was a pr1ck. And rightly so. Consider therefore what is thought of you now on boards.ie by anyone who has read your initial and subsequent posts on this forum. Have some manners and people will accord you theirs.

Fifthly:
You are not a mod Ceberus, so shut your cakehole. Everyone is entitled to thier opinions :mad:

elexes

Mexicola wrote:

Fifthly:
You are not a mod Ceberus, so shut your cakehole. Everyone is entitled to thier opinions :mad:

you joined in dec 05 have 2 posts and for some reason think his post didnt show the truth .

muppet

*Oul_Doll_Cork*

RealCar wrote:

I never get this

All these guys who buy crappy micras etc with 1l engines, then think that if they stick a loud exhaust on it, some allows, big Micra stickers and some tints that then they have a happening car which is fast!

I feel sorry for these losers. Why not save up for a car that actually is half decent

And why do they always accelerate as fast as they can and drive like loonies!

I find it sad tho coz in my 2l 165bhp alfa I could just touch the accelerator and say bye bye on the motorway

Why do they feel they need to drive like that? I think its an inferiority complex, they kno they cant afford the insurane on a REAL sports car so just mod a cheap car and drive like ****

I dont need to take off first at the lights coz I KNOW I have a decent car and that I can leave these fools smellin my exhaust fumes, I dont need to prove it

Anyone else agree?

You started this thread saying how much it annoys you that these people go around in their micras with tinted windows and sticker's with loud exhausts and think that the car goes faster with them!!!... you then went on to call these people losers who should get themselves a real sports car!!!!

You then went on to say how you have one of these "real" sports cars and you KNOW that you can leave these "fools" smelling your exhaust fumes.. as you like to put it! And you don't need to prove it

So, keeping this in mind "REALCAR"!!!! what exactly are you trying to prove???

Con_316

OK this has become quite heated! I like the comment in cerberus's big post about "i cant do more than 120km/h on motorway for some reason" . I often find this limitation too, its maybe something to do with speed limits and a desire not to lose my licence.
What is the story with boy racers indeed, IMO even some people coming on here saying negative things about "boy racers" are showing signs of being that way inclined themselves. A certain "2 litre 165 bhp" Alfa owner for instance, In fairness lads, you dont need to have a modified car or a "boy racer's car" to be a boy racer or to act like one, it's the "boy" (or girl) ,not the car that does the driving. All this talk of racing on the feckin road is stupid and just bravado along the lines of "yeah, mines bigger than yours.." . To "prove" you can drive fast or have a fast car (if you feel you need to , or just want to have fun driving in a controlled environment off the public roads) Go to a track day, go drag racing in england or get int motorsport like drifting or even autograss.
PS well done 2 auld cork doll for makin a very good point just there.

wet-paint

Cerberus wrote:

To the OP.
Firstly:
You won't find anyone...

...0 lbft of torque on your REAL sports cars' a$$. You'll probably win the race though as I can't do more than 120kph on the motorway for some reason...

Great post.

Doc_Savage

I think that calling the OP a troll is unfair...

His gripe is with the boy racers who drive beyond their abilities and seem to believe that superficial mods give them sportscar performance.. not (as most repliers seem to think) an attack on all car modifying kind!

some maturity is called for people!

:v: ...................

Integra

I'm personally not into modifying cars but whats wrong with them?? Some look very nice(a bit loud sometimes) and why would the drivers wanna race/crash a car that they spent hundreds or thousands of euro and many hours working on??

I see no problem with them once they do nobody any harm.

mrq1979

Yeah - mods in general are great for cars. I personally (and this is obviously my own opinion) go for modifications that are subtle in terms of visibility. I'd rather have a limited slip-diff or turbo charger put in a car rather than flashy neon lights and a bean can for an exhaust.

Guess it all comes down to what you're wanting to get out of modding. 1 guy saying that he has an Alfa and can beat all these young lads is hardly making a good argument when he's then saying that the young lads race around. Ok - if you don't like window tinting/neons etc then fair enough (I don't either). However, people can do whatever they want to do with their cars to be honest.

I think you'll get two main sets of modders - those who want to make their car better (0-60 performance, improving power-to-weight etc) and the "Pimp My Ride" crew. If it please the "Pimp My Ride" crew to get themselves some vinyls or tints, let them get on with it. If you have a faster car then you know that, you don't need to prove it. The people who are going to be doing all the visual mods are *probably* going to be younger people but then so what - leave them to it if they can't afford the insurance. Just don't go on about the "I've got a 2 litre Alfa" logic - if they want to drive around in a 65bhp car, let them get on with it. I'm judging by RealCar, you're probably older than 25 like me so let them just put their time in learning to drive and then they can get a "better" car when they've got some NCB. I just think you're mixing up the modding set of people and the "driving like lunatics" crew. Modders aren't all insane - all of the true modders I know won't drive like lunatics because they invest so much money in their "pride & joy"

I go with the people who talk about modders investing money in their cars - I personally wouldn't go flying round like a lunatic just because my car is fast. There really isn't any point. A lot of people like to tweak their cars because they want to invest money into them. I'm with them.

Cerberus

His post was a troll because of the forum he chose to air his opinions, not because of his opinion itself. What response does he expect to get by creating a thread in a forum that villifies the majority of the users of that forum? If he went on to the gay/lesbian forum and said "What the fock is the story with all these focking gays going around the place being focking gay and stuff, yadayadayada..." he would be banned from boards before the thread could be locked.
He is as entitled to his opinion as anyone but I have no time for these "My mate Dave works in an insurance company.." stories. Everyone has a mate called Dave, and he always knows something we don't...
Anyways, this thread is serving no purpose what so ever except as a tenderbox for a flame fest....

mrq1979

You know Dave too then Cerb? I know him as well.

Agree with you... probably best we leave the flamefest - strangely I was going to put down the same thing about gay/lesbian posts... Bit strange choosing a forum on modding to diss modders... :S

Anyway - hope everyone has a good New Year!

Con_316

Doc_Savage wrote:

I think that calling the OP a troll is unfair...

His gripe is with the boy racers who drive beyond their abilities and seem to believe that superficial mods give them sportscar performance.. not (as most repliers seem to think) an attack on all car modifying kind!

some maturity is called for people!

:v: ...................

It's his (the OP's) "my alfa could beat you....blah blah..." attitude to it that's the problem. Even if he was only trying to give out about dangerous driving or "boy racers", the kind of stupid childish bravado makes him just as bad. You cant be all "holier than thou" when at the same time you're talking about how fast your own car is and how you could wave bye bye to so and so's car blah blah...

Doc_Savage

Con_316 wrote:

It's his (the OP's) "my alfa could beat you....blah blah..." attitude to it that's the problem. Even if he was only trying to give out about dangerous driving or "boy racers", the kind of stupid childish bravado makes him just as bad. You cant be all "holier than thou" when at the same time you're talking about how fast your own car is and how you could wave bye bye to so and so's car blah blah...

He merely stated the fact that he "COULD" out perform most of the boy racers!
You make out like he drives around like a vigilante dragracing them to show them up in a stock Alfa!

You've failed to understand my point!

The OP gripes about tarted up small cars going too fast!

(This is just a point of information: on the autobahns in germany where there is no upper limit on speed you can still get pulled over for speeding. the fuzz's opinion of what is an unsafe speed is based on your particular car. Someone doing 220Kph in a micra is gonna get pulled. However someone doing 280Kph in a porsche 911 probably wouldnt get touched.)

The OP's sentiments are similar but obviously on a lower scale!

Do you honestly believe that a small city car designed for traffic should be driven excessively and nobody (like the OP) bat an eyelid?

Con_316

Doc_Savage wrote:

He merely stated the fact that he "COULD" out perform most of the boy racers!
You make out like he drives around like a vigilante dragracing them to show them up in a stock Alfa!

You've failed to understand my point!

The OP gripes about tarted up small cars going too fast!

(This is just a point of information: on the autobahns in germany where there is no upper limit on speed you can still get pulled over for speeding. the fuzz's opinion of what is an unsafe speed is based on your particular car. Someone doing 220Kph in a micra is gonna get pulled. However someone doing 280Kph in a porsche 911 probably wouldnt get touched.)

The OP's sentiments are similar but obviously on a lower scale!

Do you honestly believe that a small city car designed for traffic should be driven excessively and nobody (like the OP) bat an eyelid?

The cops opinion of safe speed... blah blah blah... What kind of sh*t are you talking here? doing 280 in any car you'd be absolutely boll*cks'ed if seen doing that here (which is where we were talking about) porsche or not. And for all your smartness you obviously forgot that a micra is never going to manage 220k's which is 137.5mph!
I must correct you on the above quote that you can get done for speeding on the german autobahns, You cant, you get pulled for "driving irresponsibly" that's when they think you're going to fast to be safe in your car. The speed is just in relation to the level of ability/ quality of the car, it's not the main issue it's just the easiest way to decide if you're a risk or not.

elexes

Doc_Savage wrote:

Do you honestly believe that a small city car designed for traffic should be driven excessively and nobody (like the OP) bat an eyelid?

i call those people guards / driving testers / judges

con i think you took doc up wrong

Con_316

elexes wrote:

i call those people guards / driving testers / judges

con i think you took doc up wrong

I dunno, ah well. I just hate when people talk in a really flippant manner about stupid behaviour on the roads. Maybe the guy with the alfa was just thinking about being able to "Beat " the guys he was talking about in his "165 HP alfa" but it's the bravado displayed by those kind of thoughts which illustrate a deeper problem of bad, dangerous attitudes in many people and a deep seeded and rather nasty culture of oneupmanship (Stupid colloquial expressions and their not being designed to be written down)

elexes

id just like somone to explain to me the difference between a boy racer / car lover / modder

and what one clarkson actually falls into

disposition

Well when you were young, I wonder if you drove your alfa?...
I think that the 1l cars should 'race' with similar 1l.

But then again, a 1l yaris and a 1.5 yaris look the same from the outside, but, different on the inside obviously.

I drive a Jap imported 1l Vitz (Yaris) and it has a full body kit, which I didn't buy here but it was all 'put on' in Japan, all Toyota manufactured and looks sweet. I have it not for racing but for everyday driving. I just find that my Vitz looks much nicer with its bodykit than any other Yaris with the ugly grey/black bumpers.

So, racing is racing. On the same note I can say, why not save up money and get something decent, like a Skyline BNR34?...After all Alfa is hardly a decent racing car... And just because it has 2l, hah, so what, our Gaia leaves every car behind, and it's a 'family car'...

Just disagreeing on certain aspects...

One thing that I definitely agree on is the fact that many kids cant drive nowadays, this buggs me big time as well. But sure, what can we do?...Patience, man, patience...

Doc_Savage

would anyone agree that the high cost of a car for young people contributes to a slower learning process for young drivers?

if it was cheap and accessable then you'd have the parent teaching the kid to drive in a safe and predictable environment!

What seems to happen to some drivers is they save up for ages for their car, tax, insurance and then jump in the car a bit too excited without getting the proper experience passed down to them and approach driving with the wrong attitude?

Does this contribute to the boy racer sub-culture of modders?

Dead

i hate the fact that they give car modding a bad name . sure you could get a great power to weight ratio but they dont. i have drag race before and well gtstarlet is the best car the have :P

michaelanthony

Why not let boys be boys anymore. They're being demonised these days.

gavin.keogh

I am for and against Mod cars. i drive a mod car (2L Turbo) and I'm 23. My insurance is 3000 a year but i work hard and enjoy my car i have no points and don't race. In my area in the first month of having my present car I was pulled over 8 or 9 times by the garda sneak up-on-ya. I always acted in a polite mannor, thanked them for their time, and drove off. now they just wave me through.

Mod micras. although i hate them, its better than the guys spending the money on drugs. although those with low powered mod cars sometimes think they have something to prove at a set of traffic lights when they pull up beside my car.

The worst and I really mean the worst are male 30-45 range rover, Passat TDI etc WITH the kids in the back who will drive at 80 KPH maybe 60KPH and when u have a safe point to over take, they drop a gear and floor it as ur trying to pass. They are the ones who cause accidents. And if u do pass them, they will ride ur bumper just to prove a point.

cars are in a sence a weapon, they car kill people. when u get behind the wheel, u are taking the lives of everyone on the road in ur hands. That is fact. The best mod i bought for my car has been EBC breaks. It makes my car stop faster, something most boy racers don't think of.

now lets see what kind of responce i get gav.....

Wolverine_1999

RealCar wrote:

I never get this

All these guys who buy crappy micras etc with 1l engines, then think that if they stick a loud exhaust on it, some allows, big Micra stickers and some tints that then they have a happening car which is fast!

I feel sorry for these losers. Why not save up for a car that actually is half decent

And why do they always accelerate as fast as they can and drive like loonies!

I find it sad tho coz in my 2l 165bhp alfa I could just touch the accelerator and say bye bye on the motorway

Why do they feel they need to drive like that? I think its an inferiority complex, they kno they cant afford the insurane on a REAL sports car so just mod a cheap car and drive like ****

I dont need to take off first at the lights coz I KNOW I have a decent car and that I can leave these fools smellin my exhaust fumes, I dont need to prove it

Anyone else agree?

I couldn't agree more. I have a full licence for less than a year, and an insurance on a REAL sports car would be diabolical..

I would NEVER be seen driving in a micra or 1L car with a crappy exhaust or something which makes it louder. I looked at my finance and found a car that is sporty, but definately not a boy racer car. Any noise it makes is from the engine and exhaust that came with it. I don't need the whole town to know that I am coming just because I have a massive tractor noise coming out of my car :rolleyes:

gavin.keogh

Wolverine_1999 wrote:

I don't need the whole town to know that I am coming just because I have a massive tractor noise coming out of my car :rolleyes:

Agreed, my car has some noise coming out of it but some most "skanger me bangor" micras make more noise!