New €1bn Euro Rail Plan for Dublin in 5 years

Maskhadov

It only costs €1bn Euro. How come they didnt think of it before ? I scanned this in from the Sunday tribune today.

spacetweek

Maskhadov wrote:

It only costs €1bn Euro. How come they didnt think of it before ? I scanned this in from the Sunday tribune today.

TBH what we need is focus - we need to decide a plan and stick to it, look what happened to A Platform For Change. Your man is proposing a 6 km rail tunnel between Heuston and Spencer Dock - hello, Interconnector?

Winters

spacetweek wrote:

TBH what we need is focus - we need to decide a plan and stick to it, look what happened to A Platform For Change. Your man is proposing a 6 km rail tunnel between Heuston and Spencer Dock - hello, Interconnector?

What Cormac is proposing this time is nothing new. In fact Frank MacDonald proposed the very same thing over 5 years ago.

A circle line is not needed in Dublin. Dublin needs through lines such as the Lissenhall - St. Stephens Green metro and the Balbriggan to Hazelhatch DART.

Lets stop redesigning the system before weve even built it. Put the best plan in place and stick to it, less delays.

PandaMania

We finally have the T21 plan and the first stages are being financed. The Interconnector and Metro on the cards. Things are finally coming together. We are all more or less happy and the wheels are finally in motion. Everybody who wants rail based puiblic transport is on board.

Now this guy form Galway is back with his Dargan Plan (which is not even a good plan really) and is to present it to the Oireachtas Transport Commitee this week, no doubt brought in by Fine Gael and Labour to be used to undo T21 and you know they'll milk it for all its worth and try to undermine T21. This is something we should all make a stand on and all collectively write letters to the media and government telling them to stick with T21. Get it done - we have waited long enough.

Watching Rosin Shorthall on Q&A tonight really made me worry. She is the Labour Party Spokesperson on Transport and she expressed gleeful delight at how easy it is to find a car parking space in the city centre these days. Olivia Mitchell is completely clueless about what public transport is and frankly is a ****-spewing airhead on the subject if the truth be known.

I think the opposistion just looked around to see if they could find a T21 assasin and this is why Cormac Rabbitte has been summonded before the Oireachtas Transport Commitee. He is also looking to build this stuff himself and he is very much a vested interest with a commerical mandate, not a public transport campaigner as such.

Hopefully it'll back fire as from what I can tell there is huge support for T21 out there. Everybody I meet when I mention it to them all think is is great and want it.

Say what you want about Fianna Fail, I am no great fan of them either, but they have done more of rail transport than any other party and I find it sickening that Fine Gael who said that Luas was a disaster which would fail and who were the party which said "no more investment in rail" will try and use this guy to hammer T21.

Maskhadov

Personally I dont back this Dargan plan since it flies in the face of T21. I didnt realise it is either one or the other.

gobdaw

PandaMania wrote:

Watching Rosin Shorthall on Q&A tonight really made me worry. She is the Labour Party Spokesperson on Transport and she expressed gleeful delight at how easy it is to find a car parking space in the city centre these days.

Is that not OK? Cars have their uses, the problem is the excessive reliance on them, surely. We're not looking for a total absolute ban on cars, are we?

PandaMania wrote:

Say what you want about Fianna Fail, I am no great fan of them either, but they have done more of rail transport than any other party and I find it sickening that Fine Gael who said that Luas was a disaster which would fail and who were the party which said "no more investment in rail" will try and use this guy to hammer T21.

Really? I would have thought that I saw someone from PD at the top table for the announcement of three maps and an A4 list! I also seem to reflect that FF were in power for the overwhelming period of government since 1933, and just maybe should take at least some share of the blame for the current infrastructural deficits we now suffer, and the excessive reliance on cars. Who closed down Dublin Trams, when they were carrying 50 million passengers, for a bus network? Luas is now trying to start undoing that!
T21 has old projects with later completion dates that originally. We have to learn from the mistakes of the past, or we are doomed to repeat them.

All political parties need watching, and all political parties have to be signed up to the delivery of the projects within T21, in the shortest timeframe possible, especially as it is more that possible that neither of the two parties currently in power will still be so after the general election.

strassenwolf

Today's Indo wrote:

Cost of engineer's Metro plan jumps €300m since 2003

Eugene Moloney

AN ENGINEER who estimated a metro rail link could be built in Dublin for €600m has revised his figures upwards to €900m

Cormac Rabbitt - one of the State's most consistent campaigners for such a rail link - put the price at €600m over two years ago.

He has urged the Government to follow the example of the Madrid metro which he described as among the best in the world.

Addressing members of the Oireachtas Joint Transport Committee yesterday he said the costs of building a metro could be kept low if a similar small project team was used to that which had been used for the Madrid link.

He said he would be concerned costs would soar if the Rail Procurement Agency (RPA) were to start using large numbers of consultants. He would also be concerned that cost revisions by the RPA could also reduce services and customer quality.

He also cited the example of the Dublin Docklands' International Financial Services Centre which, he said, was completed cost-efficiently because of the small project team involved.

Mr Rabbitt who heads his own pressure group - the Dublin Metro Group - had been invited to address the committee following a similar presentation in May 2003. Then he argued that a new metro could be built for €600m as opposed to €4.6bn suggested by the RPA.

Since then he has adjusted his costings to keep pace with inflation but still believes a 12.2 km metro around the city centre could be built for €912m and a route from the city to the airport for about €856m.

Senator David Norris praised him for producing a cost effective project at a time when "the track record of public agencies is lamentable." Mr Rabbitt's calculations had never been shown to be incorrect in the past 10 years, he said.

But chairman John Ellis pointed out that in Spain the law permitted the state to build a metro without opposition from people living along the route.

I think in Spain the way it works is that you own the ground underneath your home down to 10 metres below your home, then there is a section from 10 to 40 metres below your home which is owned by the state (to allow construction of things like metros), then you own the land below that all the way to the centre of the earth.

Maskhadov

why not just have a law that states the individual who owns the house owns the 10 metres below it ?

Im confused as to what kind of metro they are building.