Any coments or sugestions

VEGAS NIGHTS

VEGAS NIGHTS '05 CHAMPIONSHIP

Date 10th and 11th Dec.
Day 1- Heaven night club, blanchardstown.
Day 2- Anglers Rest

Registration on both days starts at 12:30pm and game starts 2pm.

Estimated no. of players: 240

Entry:100
One rebuy OR top up @ E100
Estimated prize fund: E30,000
Estimated time of finnish both days 10pm

Format for day one: There will be four groups of aprox 60. All tables will have aprox eight players at all times. The last two tables from each group will go through to day two. A player does not nesesarly need to worry about the entire room.........they just need to finnish in the top 16 of their group with as many chips as possible.

Chips: start- 5,000 Rebuy-6,000 Top up-7,000

Blinds: Day one- each blind level will be 45min duration as follows

2pm 25/50
2:45pm 50/100
3:30pm 75/150
4:15pm 100/200
5pm 150/300
5:45pm Break and end of rebuy period. (optional top up for non rebuy)
6:15pm 200/400
7pm 300/600
7:45pm 400/800
8:30pm 500/1,000
9:15pm 700/1,500
10pm End of day one

At the end of the day each players chips will be counted and signed for by the player and a member of staff. The amount of chips you finnish with will be your starting chips on day two.

Format for day two: It is our intension to continue with 45min blind levels for day two from where day one ended. However this will be reviewed at the end of day one taking into consideration the average stack etc. If nesessary we will go back one or two levels to ensure the tournament does not turn into a crap shoot. I have put in many hours of mathematics before comming up with this blind structure versus chip amounts versus no. of players versus amount of time available. I want people to be able to play the best game possible with the cards they are dealt. I don't want people walking away saying the blinds killed them.

All things being equal the blinds for day two will be as follows:

2pm 1,000/2000
2:45pm 1,500/3,000
3:30pm 2,000/4,000
4:15pm 3,000/6,000
5pm 5,000/10,000
5:45pm Break
6:45pm 7,000/15,000
7:30pm 10,000/20,000
8:15pm 15,000/30,000
9m Break
9:15pm 20,000/40,000
10pm 30,000/60,000 E.N.P.-1(Estimated time of finnish)
10:45pm 50,000/100,000
11:30pm 70,000/150,000

Any comments, sugestions or questions..................

Lafortezza

What's the reg fee on both the original buy-in and the top-ups? Are you taking anything from the prizepool on top of any reg fee?

Why are you dividing the players into 4 groups of 60?

VEGAS NIGHTS

No reg fee. We need to take aprox 10% of total money in (E3,000) to cover expenses

Lafortezza

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

No reg fee. We need to take aprox 10% of total money in (E3,000) to cover expenses

Right, so when exactly do you decide this "approx 10%"? And does approx mean +/- 2% or +/- 10%?

This is the kind of thing that really need to be clarified early on, and in any advertising for your tournament that you do. If you want to be taken seriously as a tournament organiser it's details like this that will halt any negative/'Cowboy' comments.

tricky D

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

Any comments, sugestions or questions..................

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VEGAS NIGHTS

The tournament is costing aprox E3,000 to put on. Some of the expenses will depend on final nos. 300 have qualified but I think only about 240 will show up. I'm estimating 60 will rebuy or top up. This will bring bring the total money in to E30,000. I will need to take aprox E3,000 out. If my estimates are correct then that's what it will be in %. If more show up (or less for that matter) or if more top up then the % will change.

It's not possible for me to give an exact % at the mo. All I can say is we will rake aprox E3,000 or 10%

BigDragon

tricky D wrote:

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POST OF THE FCUKING YEAR.....By Far.

VEGAS NIGHTS

tricky D wrote:

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Provide a way to unsubscribe from your sms list

You have the phone number. Just send back a text asking to be removed.

VEGAS NIGHTS

BigDragon wrote:

POST OF THE FCUKING YEAR.....By Far.

Provide a way to unsubscribe from your sms list

You have the phone number. Just send back a text asking to be removed.


Lads this is a no brainer..............

BigDragon

Youre clashing with the biggest game in town on Sunday Here

tricky D

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

Lads this is a no brainer..............

Nope, COMREG sez otherwise. You oughta get up to speed on mailing list legal requirements or you could face a e3000 fine per unsolicted message. You need unsub info in each msg, should have given an option to sub or not when you took the numbers (you didn't) and check that none of your numbers are on COMREG's big 'no spam' list.

BigDragon wrote:

POST OF THE FCUKING YEAR.....By Far.

Ppl don't like spam...... qed...... No brainer

VEGAS NIGHTS

tricky D wrote:

Nope, COMREG sez otherwise. You oughta get up to speed on mailing list legal requirements or you could face a e3000 fine per unsolicted message. You need unsub info in each msg, should have given an option to sub or not when you took the numbers (you didn't) and check that none of your numbers are on COMREG's big 'no spam' list.


Ppl don't like spam...... qed...... No brainer

When people sign up to the VEGAS NIGHTS membership they give their mobile ph number and are told that in giving their no. they will recieve text messages. People only recieve text messages after they submit their ph no. for that very reason. These texts are not "unsolicited".

jacQues

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

When people sign up to the VEGAS NIGHTS membership they give their mobile ph number and are told that in giving their no. they will recieve text messages. People only recieve text messages after they submit their ph no. for that very reason. These texts are not "unsolicited".

LOL That is correct for the first text yes.

If you send more after that, COMREGs rules apply.

jacQues

BigDragon

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

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Lads this is a no brainer..............

It made me laugh. You dont have my number. Lighten up a little. Its Christmas.

DapperGent

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

The tournament is costing aprox E3,000 to put on. Some of the expenses will depend on final nos. 300 have qualified but I think only about 240 will show up. I'm estimating 60 will rebuy or top up. This will bring bring the total money in to E30,000. I will need to take aprox E3,000 out. If my estimates are correct then that's what it will be in %. If more show up (or less for that matter) or if more top up then the % will change.

It's not possible for me to give an exact % at the mo. All I can say is we will rake aprox E3,000 or 10%

This is ridiculous. What you're effectively saying is that you have no idea what amount of rake you'll be charging. Neither in real terms nor in relative terms. Approximately €3000? You don't even know how much you're own tournament is going to cost to run! Or is it approx. €However much I think I can get away with.

Nor have you capped your percentage. If you only take in €12,000 will you still take €3000 back out? Of course you will.

"We have something to sell!"
"How much does it cost?"
"No idea!"

If you're going to run a business don't expect your customers to cover your risks for you.

Culchie

tricky D wrote:

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I quoted the 'data protection act' and it suddenly worked.

VEGAS NIGHTS

jacQues wrote:

LOL That is correct for the first text yes.

If you send more after that, COMREGs rules apply.

jacQues

Perhaps I'm wrong here..............But this is the situation as I was told.

Vegas Nights is a club. People signed up for membership in this club. In doing this we are not sending text messages to the general public. We are keeping club members informed of club events. When signing up for membership it was not compulsory to submit a phone number. People voluntarily gave their phone number for the sole reason of recieving regular text messages from the club informing them of club events.

I'm not saying that I am correct. This is how a solistor put it to me.


Why does every thread I post get very side-tracked. lol
I'm running a E30,000 tournament in 3 days. I posted the proposed chip and blind structure to get some feedback on. Here I am talking about the legalities of text messaging and there hasn't been one coment on the structure lol lol

VEGAS NIGHTS

DapperGent]This is ridiculous. What you're effectively saying is that you have no idea what amount of rake you'll be charging. Neither in real terms nor in relative terms. Approximately €3000? You don't even know how much you're own tournament is going to cost to run! Or is it approx. €However much I think I can get away with.


I have quite clearly stated that this tournament is going to cost aprox E3,000. The reason it is aprox is because some of the expenses(such as catering)are being charged per person. It is not possible to 100% acurately state how many will show up and how many will rebuy. There for it is not possible to state the exact % E3,000 will be of the total money in.



Nor have you capped your percentage. If you only take in €12,000 will you still take €3000 back out? Of course you will.

I have garanted 1st prize is minimum E10,000. no mater what happens that is carved in stone. This tournament has been pland to the finest detail throughout the past 3 months. People recieved vouchers for which We have the cash to back. This cash will make up the prize fund and cover the estimated E3,000 expenses.




"We have something to sell!"
"How much does it cost?"
"No idea!"
If you're going to run a business don't expect your customers to cover your risks for you.

I can't see where you are going with this..... People have qualified for this tournament by entering a E20 pub tournament. Most of the qualifiers would never get to play for this kind of money only for this. There is no fiancial risk in this whatsoever.

VEGAS NIGHTS

I gotta go to work now. Can't wait till I get home to see the next few responses to this thread. lol

Does any one have any feedback on the proposed structure???

ianmc38

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

I gotta go to work now. Can't wait till I get home to see the next few responses to this thread. lol

Does any one have any feedback on the proposed structure???

yeah, worst ive ever seen!

VEGAS NIGHTS

ianmc38 wrote:

yeah, worst ive ever seen!

Elaborate

RoundTower

I think the blind structure is quite good but I would like to see the same amount given out for a topup as for a rebuy. Think of this situation - I have 300 in chips just before the break. I have KK and someone puts me all in with AQ. I should fold because I can get an extra thousand chips by making sure I have chips at the break. This is nonsense.

Splitting the players into 4 groups (a la WSOP, or the first Fitz festival) shouldn't have any real effect on the game play. I'm not sure what the benefit of this is unless you have four separate venues and there are logistics issues.

The amount of money deducted from the prize pool would be a more serious issue to me if I was going to play. As Lafortezza says "We need to take aprox 10% of total money in (E3,000) to cover expenses" is a license for you to help yourselves to the customers' money. If you said €3,000 was coming out of the prizepool regardless of the number of entries, some people here would probably find that objectionable, but I would agree with it. You say about €3,000 but your calculation of the "estimated prize fund €30,000", "estimated number of players €240" makes it look to me as if about €10,000 is "estimated" to be taken.

Estimate what the cost will be, take exactly that much, and keep the change as profit or accept the chances of making a loss. I don't expect to be playing the event anyway as I am a poor student with exams this week.

youcantseeme

ianmc38 wrote:

yeah, worst ive ever seen!

Have you anything to back this up or are ya just bitchin ??
Il let you all know how the day goes iv 150 in vouchers so i dont want them to go to waste... Plus when i win im going to the WSOP:D .

bohsman

Youve given out 300+ E25 vouchers but youre only expecting 240 to turn up, this leaves you with reg of 1500 already or will you be refunding anyone that cant play?

That said I will be playing.

VEGAS NIGHTS

bohsman wrote:

Youve given out 300+ E25 vouchers but youre only expecting 240 to turn up, this leaves you with reg of 1500 already or will you be refunding anyone that cant play?

That said I will be playing.

We stated all along that any unused vouchers will have full cash value in any vegas nights tournament until end of January '06.

bohsman

This was supposed to be a tournament with 1 rebuy AND 1 topup so the different figure for rebuy and topup would make sense but Roundtower is correct you cant reward people for playing tight

Lafortezza

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

I have quite clearly stated that this tournament is going to cost aprox E3,000. The reason it is aprox is because some of the expenses(such as catering)are being charged per person. It is not possible to 100% acurately state how many will show up and how many will rebuy. There for it is not possible to state the exact % E3,000 will be of the total money in.

I think the problem that people have with your comments on the amount of Euro to be taken in the reg, is that we have no idea until the tournament starts how much will be taken from the prizepool. It's the fact that the regular punters don't know more than the fact that it'll be around 10%(which is pretty good for a non-casino tournament).

If you say before hand that "We will be taking 3k from prizepool" or "We will be taking 11% of the prizepool" then I doubt anybody will have any problem as it's pretty transparent.
The fact that you're saying "We don't know yet how much of the prizepool we will be taking" means that there is Potential for punters to be ripped off.
Since you seem like a reasonable guy and people like bohsman have posted in support of you in recent times, I personally would give you the benefit of the doubt.

But I think it'd be better for VegasNight as tournament organisers to find a way to clear this up before tournaments started.

shaydy

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

Any comments, sugestions or questions..................

Is this self deal?
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ditpoker

youcantseeme wrote:

Il let you all know how the day goes iv 150 in vouchers so i dont want them to go to waste... Plus when i win im going to the WSOP:D .

i was thinking abou this, and what would i do if i won it? 10k is alot to just give away (and lets face it i would be giving it away if i played in the main event at the wsop!). I figured, i'd pocked 7k, head to vegas with 3k and play in the $1500 NL no rebuy Hold'Em WSOP event, that way, u still get a shot at a bracelet (which its all about!) but alot less money goes into!!

super_furry

VEGAS NIGHTS wrote:

We stated all along that any unused vouchers will have full cash value in any vegas nights tournament until end of January '06.

Does this still stand? I couldn't make it along yesterday but have vouchers.