PLO tournament hand

Imposter

Here's a big fold I made last night in the 10$ rebuy on Stars:

8 players on table but here's the ones that did anything:
(I was CL at the table but måsefisker was the next one to me by a long way. I was also in top 5 of the tournament at this stage. About 3 tables left I think - 18 paid)

Seat 1: cubshundley9 (33440 in chips)
Seat 2: ninc (22900 in chips)
Seat 3: sigmapi1897 (9020 in chips)
Seat 5: Reddog133 (22425 in chips)
Seat 6: the WINNER (12406 in chips)
Seat 7: Imposter1 (65508 in chips)
Seat 9: måsefisker (51025 in chips)
måsefisker: posts small blind 600
cubshundley9: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Imposter1 [5h 6d 5d Ah]
Imposter1: raises 2800 to 4000
måsefisker: calls 3400
cubshundley9: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 4s 7d]
måsefisker: checks
Imposter1: bets 7000
måsefisker: raises 23200 to 30200
Imposter1: folds
måsefisker collected 23200 from pot

I had a lot of possible outs here. This player was pretty good so I have to credit him for something. It could be a big straight draw, a flush draw, trips, even possibly two pair. I had to think I was behind after his big bet but if it was the A5d I had, instead of A5h, I would have called. Was this a correct fold or should I risked it (I'd of had about 14k left if i lost)?

fixer

Imposter wrote:

Here's a big fold I made last night in the 10$ rebuy on Stars:

8 players on table but here's the ones that did anything:
(I was CL at the table but måsefisker was the next one to me by a long way. I was also in top 5 of the tournament at this stage. About 3 tables left I think - 18 paid)

Seat 1: cubshundley9 (33440 in chips)
Seat 2: ninc (22900 in chips)
Seat 3: sigmapi1897 (9020 in chips)
Seat 5: Reddog133 (22425 in chips)
Seat 6: the WINNER (12406 in chips)
Seat 7: Imposter1 (65508 in chips)
Seat 9: måsefisker (51025 in chips)
måsefisker: posts small blind 600
cubshundley9: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Imposter1 [5h 6d 5d Ah]
Imposter1: raises 2800 to 4000
måsefisker: calls 3400
cubshundley9: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 4s 7d]
måsefisker: checks
Imposter1: bets 7000
måsefisker: raises 23200 to 30200
Imposter1: folds
måsefisker collected 23200 from pot

I had a lot of possible outs here. This player was pretty good so I have to credit him for something. It could be a big straight draw, a flush draw, trips, even possibly two pair. I had to think I was behind after his big bet but if it was the A5d I had, instead of A5h, I would have called. Was this a correct fold or should I risked it (I'd of had about 14k left if i lost)?

Personally, I wouldn't have raised pre-flop or flop with that holding. Mediocre starting cards and that flop didn't hit you, it barely grazed your shadow. You can't bluff as much in Omaha, and semi-blufs like this will kill you. [edit after reading your post in the Boasting thread: your raises make more sense now!]

That said, last night on Boyle's, I cheaply called a str8 flush gutshot draw and hit, and trebled up.

Lafortezza

Preflop is fine, any 4 cards are good enough to raise with since no starting hand is a monster favourite over any other unlike hold'em.
Villains checkraise on the flop could be good play because he might think that you have a hand full of high cards, AAxx, or AKQJ or something that missed.

Or he might have caught alot of the flop. A hand for Villain like 6789 or 88TJ has you in trouble. With the checkraise Villain has essentially pot-commited himself so you have zero chance to get him to fold, and your hand just isn't good enough to get all-in imho.

RoundTower

fixer wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't have raised pre-flop or flop with that holding. Mediocre starting cards and that flop didn't hit you, it barely grazed your shadow. You can't bluff as much in Omaha, and semi-blufs like this will kill you. [edit after reading your post in the Boasting thread: your raises make more sense now!]

That said, last night on Boyle's, I cheaply called a str8 flush gutshot draw and hit, and trebled up.

Of course you should bluff and semi-bluff a lot in Omaha, particularly in a tournament. Possibly more than in hold'em.

I think Imposter played the hand well. I love to raise preflop with this kind of hand on the button, and in a tournament you are practically forced to play it this way once it is folded to you.

The most interesting thing on this hand is the flop bet. Before you bet you should have decided that you were folding if check-raised. So you bet anyway, because you think he will fold a lot of the time; if he is a constant check-raiser you take the free card here, while you would usually have bet if you hit, say, top pair of aces or only the diamond draw.

You are a good bit behind any reasonable hand including any bigger flush draw. If the raise put you all in you would call, but as it is the stacks are the wrong size to take one off, because if you call you cannot even fold if the board pairs.

Imposter

Looking back on it now I could have possibly checked the flop seen a turn card and called a pot size bet (if I wanted to) to see a river card, or raise all-in on the turn BUT that may have allowed my opponent to hit his hand and in playing this passively I lose any folding equity that might be there.

I think the biggest problem with this hand is that we are the CL's on the table and 2 in the top 5 in the tournament. Two large stacks clashing is rarely a good idea but if it was any of the other players on the table I could have called their all-in there.