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Inspirational messages

  • 05-04-2005 9:58pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭


    When your mind becomes motionless
    and the brilliant eyes
    of the peaceful mind
    takes a straight look
    down into the depth
    of your heart
    you will see the life-force
    pulsating and thriving
    in the warmth of pure love.

    As you experience this pure love
    what we all call "heart"
    beams of light
    will begin to radiate
    from the center of it
    for heaven is there
    in eternity.

    If you can release
    this radiance of love
    and allow it to flow through you
    your heart will become light
    and the spirit will get liberated
    into the air
    and then,
    from a place of inner stillness
    you will know
    what it would be like
    to be an eagle
    and soar in the evening skies.

    And most of all
    you would understand
    what it would be like
    to be perfectly sane.

    ~Bhante Wimala

    I think of love as being at the heart of all spirituality, it would be good to discuss the meaning of it, the nature of it..and perhaps what it means to you.

    Consider this a house warming present :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭MeatProduct


    That's very beautiful, thank you for posting that.

    Nick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    if you like that you should love his other work. Check out his website, google Bhante Wimala, he has an amazing book called poems of awakening.
    He's a buddhist monk who travels around the globe giving seminars and doing retreats (so that regular people like us can experience buddhist philosophy in action)
    He'll be in Ireland in August for a four day retreat, I think he is amazing and am doing my best to get to see him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭god's toy


    As the A.I. 'A.l.i.C.E. once said,

    "Sometimes I think love is just a biological urge. Other times it seems like a spiritual quality. Love, unlike energy or matter, seems limitless."

    and i agree.





  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 emorgan


    Love is a temporary madness. It erupts like an earthquake and then subsides. And when it subsides you have to make a decision. You have to work out whether your roots have become so entwined together that it is inconceivable that you should ever part. Because this is what love is. Love is not breathlessness, it is not excitement, it is not the promulgation of promises of eternal passion. That is just being "in love" which any of us can convince ourselves we are.

    Love itself is what is left over when being in love has burned away, and this is both an art and a fortunate accident. Your mother and I had it, we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two.
    - Captain Corelli's Mandolin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭McGinty


    Lovely poem, as to what love is, in terms of spirituality. I don't believe it can be defined, but from my limited experience, and I have experienced this type of love. For me it transcends everything, it feels like pure spirit, and that I am pure energy. It feels incredibly powerful, however I have only had this feeling from a couple of seconds, up to a day and a half (that was some experience, beats anything else). Then my lower self pops in and makes its demands, or the everyday stress of life comes in, so one worries about bills, getting to a place on time, etc, which can be a bummer, but at the same time makes those moments of love all the more precious.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    solas wrote:
    Consider this a house warming present :)
    Very nice, it brightens the place up a bit.
    Maybe when we get a mod, he/she could make an "Inspiration" sticky for people to post other inspiring passages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Velvet Vocals


    Ah.... L'Amour

    A not so inspiring or spiritual movie.... but it sure shows what LOVE can drive us to....
    http://www.lovedungeon.net/movies/ahlamour.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭transperson


    the video certainly, shows the way people decide how to love.

    its facinating the way girls are always attracted to the fellas on top of the social ladder, be they ugly or angry. but in todays society since money usually equals status then money equals attraction- "love" for silly girls and macho men!

    the biological explaination of love works best to the love sober, but to the lover its not that cold and reasoned, its blinding sublime.

    the idea that there is a wellspring of love in our deepest core and self is beautiful, light radiating union with God and the universe, this for me is love , unscientific as it maybe, it also fits well with the experience of desire for union with the beloved and the feeling inner bliss that emerges between lovers, short as it maybe! wellsprings are overflowing into eachother ;)

    love is profound and the great thing is everyone can love
    while spiritual experience and worldly love is the preserve of only a few.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭americanCat


    is what we call "love" the human form of a mating ritual?????
    it's just something i have been wondering about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    Love is oxygen. We all need it to survive. Its the most important thing in my life, whether it be the love of a friend or the love of a partner.

    Its a rollarcoaster. The thrills and exhilerations of the highs, the realisation of love and the moments of pure bliss it brings, moments that last forever. The lows of the ripping apart of the perfection that you've found, the ripping apart of your heart.

    Love is precious. Difficult to find but once you do, hold it dear to your heart. Keep that one persons heart warm with your own.

    Love is life. Live it to the full but be careful of it cuz it can cause the worst of pain to not just you but the one, and all the people you love.

    Love... You can live without food for so many days, without water, without money but without love we would all perish.

    Love is fire. It does good to keep us warm but can cause great pain and destruction when not treated well.

    And as for hate. Well hate, hate is just love with its back turned.

    I would like to state i did steal anyones quotes, even famous people. These are my true beliefs of love.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭McGinty


    "A not so inspiring or spiritual movie.... but it sure shows what LOVE can drive us to.... http://www.lovedungeon.net/movies/ahlamour.html"

    Sorry that has nothing to do with love, that has to do with disrespectful women and greed.

    It's sad how often people confuse the two? Love is a feeling coupled with an action, it's easy to say 'I love you' but to be loving in your actions, thoughts and deeds is the proof behind the words.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭McGinty


    Here is an inspirational poem re: Love, taken from Kahil Gibran's 'The Prophet'.

    Then said Almitra, speak to us of Love.
    And he raised his head and looked upon the people,
    and there fell a stillness upon them. And with a great voice he said:
    When love beckons to you, follow him,
    Though his ways are hard and steep.
    And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
    Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
    And when he speaks to you believe in him,
    Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the
    north wind lays waste the garden.

    For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you.
    Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
    Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your
    tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
    So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in
    their clining to the earth.
    Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
    He threshes you to make you naked.
    He sifts you to free you from your husks.
    He grinds you to whiteness.
    He kneads you until you are pliant;
    And then he assigns you to his scared fire, that you
    may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

    All these things shall love do unto you that you may
    know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge
    become a fragment of Life's heart.

    But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
    Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of
    love's threshing floor.
    Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of laughter,
    and weep, but not all of your tears.
    Love gives naught of itself and takes naught but from itself.
    Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
    For love is sufficient unto love.

    When you love you should not say, 'God is in my heart,' but rather,
    'I am in the heart of God.'
    And think not you can direct the course of love, for love,
    if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

    Love has no other desire but to fulfil itself.
    But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
    To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
    To know the pain of too much tenderness.
    To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
    And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
    To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day
    of loving;
    To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
    To return home at eventide with gratitude;
    And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of
    praise upon your lips.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    There are several different types of love from platonic to non-platonic.

    In its purest form love for me is valuing someone else beyond yourself, having total respect for the person, being willing to loose contact with the person if it is for their best interest.

    Non-platonic love is the above with lust added in.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    McGinty, thats gorgeous. Kinda says it all doesnt it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    CathyMoran wrote:
    There are several different types of love from platonic to non-platonic.

    In its purest form love for me is valuing someone else beyond yourself, having total respect for the person, being willing to loose contact with the person if it is for their best interest.

    Non-platonic love is the above with lust added in.
    Aye, careing more about someone than yourself, Id say thats as acurate as anything else. Also a feeling that that person is a part of you. Thats why unrequited love hurts so much I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭lilmissprincess


    Love hurts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    it gets better :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    "Your reason and your passion are the rudder and the sails of your seafaring soul. If either your sails or your rudder be broken, you can but toss and drift, or else be held at a standstill in mid-seas. For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining; and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction. Therefore let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion, that it may sing;

    And let it direct your passion with reason, that your passion may live through its own daily resurrection, and like the phoenix rise above its own ashes."

    Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet





    Steve, as this was your suggestion I hope you can make it a sticky. Hopefully everyone here will contribute regularly. :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Stuck, I'll try and find the other thread later on and merge it with this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭Stabshauptmann


    Merged, if Im thinking of the right thread that is...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭UU


    One of the most inspirational messages I ever heard was from my old tutor in 1st year in secondary school. Although very simple, it says so much:

    "Some men look at what is and ask 'why?'
    I dream of what might be and ask 'why not?'"


    Quite sexist though it should be "Some people...". Ah well, it's old! I regularly recite these two lines when I lack confidence and I am full with it again. It's a shame not enough people look to the future instead of continuously glancing back at the past and present as there may be less crap!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Merged, if Im thinking of the right thread that is...
    Yep, this is the one. I think there might have been one more aswell, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. I'm sure I'll come across it at some stage.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    I'm quite fond of the serenity prayer myself.
    (God,) grant me the serenity
    to accept the things I cannot change;
    courage to change the things I can;
    and wisdom to know the difference.

    (I prefer it without the God part myself, but whatever works)

    There's a pagan version too, but I don't think it roles off the tongue as well
    God & Goddess grant me:
    The power of water, to accept with ease & grace what I cannot change
    The power of fire, for the energy & courage to change the things I can.
    The power of Air, for the ability to know the difference.
    And the power of Earth, for the strength to continue my path.


    Possible histories here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you:
    not as the world giveth, give I unto you.
    Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

    John 14:27


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭hairyheretic


    Got sent this a little while ago. Perhaps not a traditional inspirational message, but it resonates well with me.

    Steel on steel
    Break the blade that called him to his rest
    And cast it to the deep

    Light the pyre
    Name the one whose shield is on his chest
    And leave him to his sleep

    The Measure of a Man
    Stands or falls on what he leaves behind
    Gather on the sand
    Let your voices carry to the sky
    Rise in light
    Let the Gods look down on this - and wonder

    Raise the ring
    Cast the broken circle to the waves
    And give the sea her due

    Push the prow
    Let him lead the final charge again
    Where all will follow soon

    The Measure of a Man
    Stands or falls on what he leaves behind
    Gather on the sand
    Let your voices carry to the sky
    Rise in light
    Let the Gods look down on this - and wonder...

    (Heather Dale, "The Measure of a Man" from "The Trial of Lancelot")


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭nobodythere


    My arteries must be blocked, all I have lately is anger!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭MeditationMom


    Hi Grasshopa-
    thank you for your honesty, and everyone else, thank you for those beautiful postings.
    Anger, is Love in disguise or another form, as in Ice is Water in another form. What would melt your heart? A sunset, a singing bird, are beautiful cloud on a deep blue sky, a love poem - there is something out there for you. Go find it.
    For me it is Jealousy. Something I dispise and have not yet figured out how to disolve completely. Anger at least can be energizing, jealousy on the other hand feels just physically, totally awful. Maybe I should learn to start converting it into righteous anger first and take it from there.

    Macrobiotically, anger comes from a congested liver ( so, yes, your arteries are blocked, cut back on the fat and the alkohol, sugar, drink more water, eat more lemon, olive oil, garlic, if all fails fast). Go figure - we need to change our diets, if nothing else.

    Psychologically, you are propably angry for a good reason. So you need to forgive and let go, even if the ones who wronged you don't deserve it. Hate is the poison you take every morning hoping the "other" will die from it. Jesus should somewhat inspire you. Let me know if you have tips for jealousy.

    Here is my contribution to the Love string. I have heard it explained this way-Love is like coal that needs to become a diamond. To go from coal to daimond takes tremendeous pressure, discomfort, agony, time, a form of death (from being a piece of coal), and great courage. If you suffer in life because of possessions or a job or something like that, your life is lived in vain, but if you suffer because of love, it is growing pains. When love becomes pure it reunites us with God.

    This is what it said on the back of Mother Theresa's "business card":

    The fruit of Silence is Prayer
    The fruit of Prayer is Faith
    The fruit of Faith is Love
    THe fruit of Love is Service
    The fruit o Service is Peace

    I always have to get out of my Catholic Conditioning to understand these things deeper and it works for me like this:

    Silence leads to Wordless Prayer, which is a deep form of Gratitude and Benevolence in a quiet mind,
    This leads to deepest Trust in existence,
    This Trust leads to Love without fear and attachment, which makes you forget about yourself
    which in turn leads to simply helping, Serving the ones around you, what else would there be to do,
    and the wonderful side effect of that is Peace, and I would add, Joy. And that is "Coal Love" turned into "Diamond Love."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    medmom wrote:
    Let me know if you have tips for jealousy.
    on which end?
    I'm not long away from a group who would never let me be myself. They were always there trying to drag me down to their level and for a time it worked. Eventually I decided is easier to give them what they wanted and stopped fighting the process, it's not worth dying for and it did feel like it was killing me. I'd love to have kicked their arses but got sense and figure they're not worth the effort.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭MeditationMom


    Solas, without knowing more details, and without trying to take each statement you make, appart, it sounds like you made a wise decision. It doesn't sound like you have given up, but are choosing "the path of least resistance" for now. This is very smart. Your time will come.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    will admit,there's a great sense of freedom being away from it all, feel like myself again. Truley, it is the greatest sense of liberation so in a way I suppose my time is now. Guess I'm back to living in the present again. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭joseph dawton


    Lots of rumours about this being ancient but was written by Max Ehrmann in 1927.


    Desiderata

    Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
    and remember what peace there may be in silence.
    As far as possible without surrender
    be on good terms with all persons.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
    and listen to others,
    even the dull and the ignorant;
    they too have their story.
    Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
    they are vexations to the spirit.
    If you compare yourself with others,
    you may become vain and bitter;
    for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
    Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

    Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
    it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
    Exercise caution in your business affairs;
    for the world is full of trickery.
    But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
    many persons strive for high ideals;
    and everywhere life is full of heroism.

    Be yourself.
    Especially, do not feign affection.
    Neither be cynical about love;
    for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
    it is as perennial as the grass.

    Take kindly the counsel of the years,
    gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
    But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
    Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
    Beyond a wholesome discipline,
    be gentle with yourself.

    You are a child of the universe,
    no less than the trees and the stars;
    you have a right to be here.
    And whether or not it is clear to you,
    no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

    Therefore be at peace with God,
    whatever you conceive Him to be,
    and whatever your labors and aspirations,
    in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
    it is still a beautiful world.
    Be cheerful.
    Strive to be happy.

    http://www.electricpublications.com


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Don't Dream it, Be it. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Asiaprod


    I have a choice (original)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭cue


    I like
    Place your heart at the lotus feet of the lord
    And plunge into the heat of battle


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 Yechidah


    "Struggle is nature's way of strengthening us"

    LLLSHJ,
    Yechidah.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭kshiel


    The earth hold the branches of life
    Let Water give the earth life
    Let Fire burn with passion
    Let the Wind spread the seed to life
    Be part of it, we hold it everyday within our hands


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    for what its worth...

    Lord, make me a channel of thy peace;
    that where there is hatred, I may bring love;
    that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness;
    that where there is discord, I may bring harmony;
    that where there is error, I may bring truth;
    that where there is doubt, I may bring faith;
    that where there is despair, I may bring hope;
    that where there are shadows, I may bring light;
    that where there is sadness, I may bring joy.

    Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted;
    to understand, than to be understood;
    to love, than to be loved.
    For it is by self-forgetting that one finds.
    It is by forgiving that one is forgiven.
    It is by dying that one awakens to eternal life.
    Amen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Jackie laughlin


    "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desparation"


    "Is a dream a lie if it don't come true
    Or is it smoethin' worse?"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭siochain


    solas wrote:
    for what its worth...

    Lord, make me a channel of thy peace;
    that where there is hatred, I may bring love;
    that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness;
    that where there is discord, I may bring harmony;
    that where there is error, I may bring truth;
    that where there is doubt, I may bring faith;
    that where there is despair, I may bring hope;
    that where there are shadows, I may bring light;
    that where there is sadness, I may bring joy.

    Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted;
    to understand, than to be understood;
    to love, than to be loved.
    For it is by self-forgetting that one finds.
    It is by forgiving that one is forgiven.
    It is by dying that one awakens to eternal life.
    Amen.


    prayer of st francis, love it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭siochain


    You were born with potential.
    You were born with goodness and trust.
    You were born with ideas and dreams.
    You were born with greatness.
    You were born with wings.
    You are not meant for crawling, so don’t.
    You have wings.
    Learn to use them and fly.

    ~ Rumi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭MeditationMom


    This day allow me to be useful to you,
    I can give you kindness, take it in abundance so there will be more,
    I can give you patience, take it in abundance so there will be more,
    I can give you joy, take it in abundance so there will be more,
    Take all of me, take all I have, so I may disappear to be with you.

    (Anonymous)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭maitri


    “The minute I heard my first love story I started looking for you, not knowing how blind that was. Lovers don't finally meet somewhere. They're in each other all along.”

    “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

    “Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there.”

    “Don't grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.”

    (Jalal ad-Din Rumi)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭maitri


    “The only thing that makes sense is kindness”

    "Love and compassion are like the weak spots in the walls of ego. If we connect with even one moment of the good heart of bodhicitta (awakened mind/heart) and cherish it, our ability to open will gradually expand.

    On this journey we're moving toward that which is not so certain, that which cannot be tied down, that which is not habitual and fixed. We're moving toward a whole new way of thinking and feeling, a flexible and open way of perceiving reality that is not based on certainty and security. This new way of perceiving is based on connecting with the living energetic quality of ourselves and everything else. Bodhicitta is our means of tapping into this awakened energy and we can start by tapping into our emotions. We can start by connecting very directly with what we already have.”*

    “To begin with, just give up any expectations of yourself. That's a simple good instruction for how to meditate. Liberate yourself from any sort of idea of how you're supposed to be, and just sit.”

    “To be without a reference point is the ultimate loneliness. It is also called enlightenment.”

    (Pema Chodron)


    *(From: Everybody Loves Something)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭MeditationMom


    Wonderful post, Maitri. One correction I think is important.

    “To be without a reference point is the ultimate loneliness. It is also called enlightenment.”

    (Pema Chodron)

    I am sure Pema Chodron would instantly agree with my saying that here "ultimate loneliness" needs to be replaced by "aloneness". "Loneliness" is our emotional state of feeling alone, while "aloneness" is our spiritual truth, the state of enlightenment. Our All-One-ness. Just words, I am sure she meant it as such, but words are important. Otherwise if becomes a harmful misunderstanding leading to severe depression - and I have seen it many times - precisely because it is so close to the truth, but not the truth.

    It is this emotional loneliness that we try to avoid all our lives, that we have to face either because of events of loss, or when we first start meditating, or go into retreat etc. Once the emotional mountain of loneliness is let go of, we notice and realize our divine and infinite, eternal, blissful Aloneness, and we know that it is everyone's, even if they are still suffering from loneliness.

    Also, to be without a reference point is the ultimate, sad loneliness. In enlightenment there is a new reference point. I'll never manage to be able to explain it, but essentially enlightenment, aloneness, God, true self itself becomes the new reference point, but not referenced by the mind or the heart even, but the third thing which is no thing. Well, there's your moment of zen for today -

    Thank you for the post, Maitri.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    "Be ambitious for the higher gifts. And I am going to show you a way that is better than any of them.
    If I have all the eloquence of men or of angels, but speak without love, I am simply a gong booming or a cymbal clashing. If I have the gift of prophecy, understanding all the mysteries there~ are, and knowing everything, and if I have faith in all its fullness, to move mountains, but without love, then I am nothing at all. If I give away all that I possess, piece by piece, and if I even let them take my body to burn it, but am without love, it will do me no good whatever.
    Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous;
    love is never boastful or conceited; it is never rude or selfish; it does not take offence, and is not resentful.
    Love takes no pleasure in other people's sins but delights in the truth; it is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope, and to endure whatever comes.
    Love does not come to an end"

    A reading from the first letter of St Paul to the Corinthians 12:31- 13:8
    Had this as the reading at my wedding but have tried to memorise some of it - expresses love in it's purest form and has been known to bring me to tears.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭maitri


    Hi MeditationMom! :)
    Thanks a lot for your post!

    Yeah, I also thought that another way of putting it could be that “enlightenment is the ultimate non-loneliness”. (Though I must admit, I probably don’t know very much about enlightenment…:D ).

    Wonderful post, Maitri. One correction I think is important.

    “To be without a reference point is the ultimate loneliness. It is also called enlightenment.”

    (Pema Chodron)

    ...

    I am sure Pema Chodron would instantly agree with my saying that here "ultimate loneliness" needs to be replaced by "aloneness".

    Yes, perhaps she would indeed.

    Otherwise if becomes a harmful misunderstanding leading to severe depression - and I have seen it many times - precisely because it is so close to the truth, but not the truth.

    Yes - though I think the possibility for misunderstandings here is probably mostly due to me taking the quote out of context...:o That is always a dangerous thing to do. Still, partly because of this discussion I cannot really be sorry about having done it… but here is the whole article in context to avoid further misunderstandings (of course I don’t know if you agree with everything here):

    Shambhala Sun - Six Kinds of Loneliness




    Also, to be without a reference point is the ultimate, sad loneliness. In enlightenment there is a new reference point.

    For me the thought of "no reference point" is not a source of depression or sadness – and I don’t get the association to” ultimate sad loneliness” from it – but it's rather a way of thinking (an attitude) that I feel is helpful for me and that gives a sense of... freedom/relief.
    – though I must say... I don’t treat it as “absolute literal truth” in any way.

    For other people it might be harmful way of thinking, though, as you say, and therefore I am happy for your helpful corrections. Thank you!


    I'll never manage to be able to explain it, but essentially enlightenment, aloneness, God, true self itself becomes the new reference point, but not referenced by the mind or the heart even, but the third thing which is no thing. Well, there's your moment of zen for today –

    I am sure that’s another good way of seeing it.:)

    Thank you for the post, Maitri.

    You are very welcome! :)

    PS CathyMoran: Corinthians 12:31- 13:8 is also my mother's favourite. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭MeditationMom


    Thank you for the link, Maitri - it was helpful to see the whole context. I must say I respect her a lot. Her teaching is good. I was trying to put my finger on what is missing, though, for the last few days, and by chance :D , no such thing, right? - came across this zen saying this morning:

    "To get rid of your passions is not nirvana, to look upon them as no matter of yours, that is nirvana."

    In her words, that would probably be like saying - and then when you come full circle you again have a reference point, or many, but they are of no concern to you. This is what makes every Buddhist laugh - the divine paradox, the simultaneous yes and no of all things, the tenth card. I am not sure she is there. In this link, though, to be fair, I think she is only talking about the difficulties of getting started on this path and how to analyze why it is so and how to work your way through it. She is right on, too. I like her and maybe you have seen much more of her in conversations where she laughs and twinkles with wisdom. I am looking for the Buddha belly chuckle thing :) It just doesn't come through in her writing for me.

    The equivalent to the above quote in Christianity would be "you shall have no other God". No matter all of our engagements here on earth, deep, loving, meaningful ones, in our hearts, God/Enlightenment has to be the priority. Similar to the vow you take as a Buddhist nun. I saw a movie several years ago where a father buries his nine-month old child - heart-wrenching to say the least - and to my surprise he kneels down at the grave and with great sincerity begs God for forgiveness for having loved his child so much, more than God. This commandment that to me, even as a child, was always the most obvious one, and the easiest one - just kind of thrown in there with the rest - that is when I understood it for the first time. For the human being, this is simply the most difficult commandment there is. Almost impossible. That is why there is so much fighting, killing, greed, mischief. Only when that gets to be too hard and we understand where our suffering and unease comes from, can we try the even harder. And in the end the hardest turns out to be the easiest.
    by Maitri- (Though I must admit, I probably don’t know very much about enlightenment… ).

    There isn't much to know :D!

    (Going back up to re-read Cathy's Love post. It is most wonderful, whether we apply it to our earthly relationships or our relationship to God, or as Buddhists to Buddhahood, or Muslims to Allah and so on and so on. Such universal, soothing truth expressed in that paragraph)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭maitri


    "To get rid of your passions is not nirvana, to look upon them as no matter of yours, that is nirvana."

    An interesting one!:)

    Have a very nice week end everybody! :)


    M.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭kshiel


    AS THE LAKE WHISPERS

    Beneath the watery surface lies the world beneath,
    Its breath you cannot take,
    Your nourishment it cannot supplement,
    Only wonder lies beneath the temperate surface,
    No less wonderful or magical than on the park bench.

    Yet we seek what lies beneath for we are always searching for those we cannot reach,
    But ponder a while and take that breath above the watery air.
    You will soon discover it's the wonder that lies up here,
    Don't seek what lies beneath but what lies above and all around,
    For my breath, my touch is what you seek and it never lay just beneath.


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