tipping the dealers?

ZZR1100

I know this was brought up around six months ago here but there was a lot of different opinions on the subject.Multi table live tourneys.I was told it was 3% as a general rule and maybe 5% from the winner if he is feeling generous.
Same for STTs ?
Lately im told its 10% but this seems huge.Im not talking dropping a tenner when you win 100.this is fine.but dropping 600 when you win 6000 seems a bit large.Did andy black tip 170k at the wsop (maybe he did ..any1 know )

DeVore

I tip 5% on small wins and 3%-4% on bigger wins. For example on an €800 win in the fitz a while ago I tipped 50 notes on the 7k in Limerick I tipped €300 (though I over tipped because I was half way home when I remembered I hadn't left anything and had to phone Donal to ask him to leave it for them, which he very kindly did!).

10% would be nice for the dealers but seems excessive!

DeV.

ZZR1100

Same as that 250 for a 6800 win in cork.100 for a 2k.never left a tip in the the IPT final in dublin though when i received 10k.Paid by check and as i was off to vegas the next day and i had only 100 irish money left.there was only 2 dealers at that event though so if they got 10% from every1 they would be making more than the other 12 guys playing

bohsman

top 2/3 should tip. In your sng example the higher the prize the lower the %, you got it in one its about making sure the dealer of the $10 sng is looked after.

As for the WSOP I wouldnt trust Harrahs at all with big tips but I would have searched for some of the dealers that dealt for me and given them individual tips or if they said giving it to Harrahs was fine

kinaldo

i can't say if this is true or not but i did hear from someone that used to work for pokerevents that they pocket the tips and as for the amount i probably overtip myself

bohsman

kinaldo wrote:

i can't say if this is true or not but i did hear from someone that used to work for pokerevents that they pocket the tips and as for the amount i probably overtip myself

We were desperately trying to figure out how to get a tip from you when you won the big one and asked for a cheque

The sng dealers pocket their tips in pokerevents afaik which is fair enough

kinaldo

bohsman wrote:

We were desperately trying to figure out how to get a tip from you when you won the big one and asked for a cheque

if i remember correctly i asked Marq that night what was the standard to leave i'd just won 5.5k and he said a monkey so i just told luke to take off €400 (not sure if the girl who came second left anything) then a few days later i won €1200 from the double chance and left €200 feeling that i'd undertipped the big one

kinaldo

bohsman wrote:

The sng dealers pocket their tips in pokerevents afaik which is fair enough

i mean when someone wins a tournament and then leaves a tip Pokerevents holds on to it. doesn't seem very fair if true

youcantseeme

Ah in fairness to them i dont think they'd take it, i no a dealer and he gets tips but il ask him what he thinks and let you know.

jem

kinaldo wrote:

if i remember correctly i asked Marq that night what was the standard to leave i'd just won 5.5k and he said a monkey so i just told luke to take off €400 (not sure if the girl who came second left anything) then a few days later i won €1200 from the double chance and left €200 feeling that i'd undertipped the big one

Am I reading this right.
I assume the dealer is geting paid for doing the job.
Why on earth would you give €400 to the dealer. I assume that you had more than one over the night so which did you pick?
Fair enough leaving something but €400 is a fair wage on top of what the others might leave and on top of their wages.
Nice job.

The Troll

I think everything said here is totally excessive. A €400 tip is ridiculous. 5% of a win with a cap at €100 is more than enough IMO.

bohsman

The tips would normally be split between all dealers and the tournament director. Tournament dealers are paid a very small wage by casinos (casinos dont like to part with money) And the job would not be worth doing without the tips. For cash games the dealers dont get any pay other than a share of the tips

The Troll

bohsman wrote:

The tips would normally be split between all dealers and the tournament director. Tournament dealers are paid a very small wage by casinos (casinos dont like to part with money) And the job would not be worth doing without the tips. For cash games the dealers dont get any pay other than a share of the tips

If i'm playing a cash game i give 5% to the dealer on a big hand. If i win €20 i'd usually pay him €1.

Ollieboy

When I won my event in the UK, I ask the lads what was the standard tip to leave, as they asks me, before giving me my cheque, how much of a tip I want to leave. I dont think I would have known to leave a tip otherwise.

They told me that the last guy left a tip of 1000, but his win was 500000, so I left 500 out of my 50k win, this is all in sterling. I did forget also to leave a tip when I won my heat, which was 2.5k. The dealers and TD seem to be very happy with this, this was split 4 ways.

When I split the 50/50 double chance in the Fitz, the first 3 places got paid 1800 together, so we left 150 for the dealers and took 550 each. Both of these examples seem fair to me.

I think a tip of 100 up to a figure of 2000 is fair and after that 5% up to a max of prize of 10k, after that its depending on the tourment and the number of dealers.

But when you calculate your yearly winnings, do you calculate it on the net amount or the gross amount? I do it on the Net Amount.

Shortstack

Poker events do not keep the tips from the STT's. I can confrim this 100%. The dealers only get paid for the main tournament, they deal the STT's for the tips.

Tipping is purley discresionary and it makes no difference that the dealers are poorly paid or not. It is down to whether you think the tournament has be run well and dealt well. It is the same as a restaurant, if the service is good you tip, if it is poor you don't. It is not mandatory and in any environment where tipping is 'the done thing' I will never tip for poor service and will tell them why if I get any comments or dirty looks when I leave.

Bear in mind if you win an EPT, WPT or WSOP event there is usually a mandatory 3% taken out for tournament staff. I will not leave a red cent extra for anybody that forces me to tip regardless of the performance of the recipients. This includes restaurants who add a 10% service charge automatically, Robbing B'stards.

rubadub

Why do you guys bother gambling at all, seems the real money is in being a dealer, and you never loose...

barrera

bohsman wrote:

top 2/3 should tip.

Do others agree with this? I'm only lately playing live, and a couple of months back got a 7th place finish in The Fitz €20 rebuy, for €175. I wasn't aware of any tipping protocols, and have felt a bit bad about it since when reading of others tipping dealers. Would tipping be expected from a modest finish lower down the final table pecking order? Obviously hopeful that the circumstance will arise again to provide the dilemma!:)

Funkyzeit

Would also throw literally a few quid no matter what position. I don't think anything more than 20/30 quid even on a big win is needed..

bmc

barrera wrote:

Do others agree with this? I'm only lately playing live, and a couple of months back got a 7th place finish in The Fitz €20 rebuy, for €175. I wasn't aware of any tipping protocols, and have felt a bit bad about it since when reading of others tipping dealers. Would tipping be expected from a modest finish lower down the final table pecking order? Obviously hopeful that the circumstance will arise again to provide the dilemma!:)

I think that was intended to read "top 2 or 3"

bmc

Funkyzeit wrote:

Would also throw literally a few quid no matter what position. I don't think anything more than 20/30 quid even on a big win is needed..

20/30 quid on a big win?

A big win, so lets say 10 tables. That's 11 tournament staff, for on average half of the tournament time.

30 quid divided by 11 makes.... uh... not much.



I dealt tournaments for a wee while. It's hard work and it's not well paid unless people are tipping well. I don't deal in anything now so I have no vested interest but after my experience I make sure to tip well!

POKERKING

at pokerevents the dealer only gets paid for dealing the tournament when sum1 leaves a tip after winning the whole event it goes into a 'fund' for the xmas party if you cant make the xmas party your screwed i guess!!!as for the stt the dealer doesnt get paid for this not 1 cent so is relying on tips and in some cases from my own experience wont get tipped or mite get a tenner for 2 maybe 3 hours work because the people playing dont no that the dealer doesnt get paid...in my own experience the tip is usually 10% the regulars always look after you but new people dont...as for the real money being dealing i think not as its usually min wage or slightly higher that dealers get paid when you could be dealing for say 7hrs with say 10mins break so you get home at about 4 or 5 am and have alot less than 100e hardly worth it?mind you on the other hand if you get lucky in the stts you could earn 100-200 and be home by 2!

barrera

bmc wrote:

I think that was intended to read "top 2 or 3"

Yes I know. So should lower order cash finishers tip?

Fatboydim

In the states I was told that the usual tip for top place finishers was between 1% - 2% based on over 200 players and expecting tips from top five finishers. Then again these guys weren't subtle... They had a bucket with TIPS written on it.

Some of you are so tight you must squeak when you walk

But as Mike says... it's up to you... and if the service is crap don't tip.

However... It's worth noting that the reason Harrah's probably took 3% is because with the new / internet based players [of which I was one] few tip... because they didn't realise this was the done thing.

Therefore if you don't tip we might all find ourselves paying an extra percentage in reg fees to cover this.

Fatboydim

barrera wrote:

Yes I know. So should lower order cash finishers tip?

I think the rule of thumb would be in relation to your buy in.

So say you paid €100 plus reg and you win €200 - I probably wouldn't bother... Maybe leave a tenner for the fund... if you think it's been a great night and well run.

But say as above you won €500... I think €20 tip would be justified.

If you finish in the top three tip relative to your win.

Pokerkings 10% is possibly a bit much... except in the case of a €50 SnG where I would expect third place to tip a tenner at least as this would be 10% of third place prize.

bmc

barrera wrote:

Yes I know. So should lower order cash finishers tip?

I think top 2 or 3 is fine myself. (on a completely unrelated note, bohsman is a dealer in the Fitz... He was the original poster who said top 2 or 3...)

I think what usually happens is that the winner and maybe second usually tip and most other people forget or just don't.

If the top 2 or 3 were to tip consistently I think that would be more than adequate. If you're feeling generous though I'm sure they'll never say no, no matter what position you finish in.

jem

If the orginisers were to pay proper wages there would be no need full stop. I only tip when I get exceptional service no matter what it is for. I will not tip cab drivers/bar workers etc.

RasTa

Dont go to Vegas so... You'll get no free drink!

jem

fair enough I will pay for them.

Fatboydim

jem wrote:

If the orginisers were to pay proper wages there would be no need full stop. I only tip when I get exceptional service no matter what it is for. I will not tip cab drivers/bar workers etc.

And that's what ended up happening at the WSOP. Except of course the players ended up paying through the registration fee... so it was taken off of the prize money... which ended up costing all the players far more.

So not tipping is a false economy...

DeVore

as an ex-dealer I would say top 2 (maybe 3 in a big game) should tip. I don't tip if I win lower down the ranks because I'm usually too hacked off with the prize structure of winning my buy-in plus a bit extra.

Dealers get paid crap because of the tip situation. Pokerevents should cover the xmas costs themselves rather then make the dealers pay for it!
In a STT I will leave one buy-in out of the prizepool for the dealer if asked but then thats the tables tip. so 50 STT, 450 to the players, 50 to the dealer.
STT's are a lot of work for one dealer and thats barely 20 bucks an hour (most STT dealers dont get paid).

DeV.

Ollieboy

Depending on the prize fund, but only 1st or 2nd place would leave a tip as the rest of the prize fund is generally to low to be tipping from.

We must remember, as players we are risking our money and some players make a living out of this game. I feel its up to the house to cover the dealers costs and this should be included in the reg fee, so maybe a better reg fee is the way to go.

This is one of the reason's I rather online play as this is not an issue.

sonneti

As an employee in a poker room that doesn't deal I get sod all tips so don't tip just the dealers make your tip for all the staff

DocO

I played in the double chance a few months back in fitz, came second, got 550, tipped 50. winner tipped 80 outa 880 (we'd cut a bit of a deal) third place walked off with 350 and didnt tip at all, which i find unfair. but tipping dealers is very much appreciated by all. as oscar said, dealers are on very small hourly wage and it is the tips that make the job, and the un-sociable hours any way worth while. ive witnessed drunken cash games recently, mainly on the wkend, were drunkn players "dont think of tipping" and others who tip only tip 1euro, no matter how big the pot they win, ie 500€+ which is ridiculous, but obviously up to the player. tipping in moderation consistently will leave no1 seriously out of pokt and help benefit all. and sonnetti, all tips that are received in cash games/ black jack etc are pooled and piad out to all involved with the casino in percentages, depending on job title, experience etc...

Dub13

I always try to leave a nice tip if I can.Last win was 1000 and I tipped 100.I am just a nice guy.