Hatton

Harry2001

Another great win for Hatton last night, clinical finish, he wants to fight either Mayweather or Cotto next year, it will be interesting to see if these fights can be arranged

Don’t know how the guy keeps up that pace for the whole of his fights, he must be a nightmare to come up against

ctrl-alt-delete

Harry2001 wrote:

he must be a nightmare to come up against

id say so alright, he just doesnt stop - i cant see anyone stopping him to be honest, about time too that he has started getting the fights he deserves

Big Ears

His next fight will be a mandatory fight against Mbaye . (that's if he wants to keep his new WBA crown)

Also because of the injuries suffered he won't be fighting for 6 months .
I haven't seen the whole fight yet but it was a very good finish from him to get rid of Maussa .

Gatti is a fight also being talked about , but that would only happen if Gatti beats Damgaard .

mchurl

bit harsh about his injuries but hatton was lethal last night and maussa isnt a bad fighter

akindoc

mchurl wrote:

bit harsh about his injuries but hatton was lethal last night and maussa isnt a bad fighter

maussa is a bad fighter. Cotto controlled the fight against him and had no problems. Harris came in at 134 and his legs were gone after the first round. beating Maussa means nothing. Hatton may say he wants mayweather and cotto, but he is trying to get a GATTI fight lined up. GATTI! He is shot as hell. He could have fought Mayweather or Cotto on Saturday but he opted for an easier fight in maussa.

mchurl

i hope hatton gets a shot at mayweather but i agree that he will have to improve to beat him. The word coming ou of the hatton camp though is that it wont be mayweather next up for him

samurai kebab

Hatton would be destroyed by Mayweather.In my opinion Mayweather is the best pound for pound boxer right now and if it was Mayweather fighting Hatton on Saturday he would have demolished hatton.

Although saying this I feel this is easily the most talented and intresting weight class in boxing at the moment.

Harry2001

samurai kebab wrote:

Hatton would be destroyed by Mayweather.In my opinion Mayweather is the best pound for pound boxer right now and if it was Mayweather fighting Hatton on Saturday he would have demolished hatton.

Nobody would destroy Hatton not even Mayweather, if Mayweather is to beat him (which I think he would btw) he is going to have to work his arse off

mchurl

Harry2001 wrote:

Nobody would destroy Hatton not even Mayweather, if Mayweather is to beat him (which I think he would btw) he is going to have to work his arse off

agree totally

akindoc

Harry2001 wrote:

Nobody would destroy Hatton not even Mayweather, if Mayweather is to beat him (which I think he would btw) he is going to have to work his arse off

it would be such an easy fight for Mayweather. He would hit hatton very often and Hatton wouldn't get near him. He'd stop hatton in a few rounds on cuts/tko. This is FLOYD MAYWEATHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. Hatton isn't bad, but nowhere near the prettyboys level in a million years

Harry2001

akindoc wrote:

it would be such an easy fight for Mayweather. He would hit hatton very often and Hatton wouldn't get near him. He'd stop hatton in a few rounds on cuts/tko. This is FLOYD MAYWEATHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. Hatton isn't bad, but nowhere near the prettyboys level in a million years

Mayweather is a fabulous boxer but like a lot of fighters is built up to be super human with all this pound for pound crap, every boxer is beatable. Hatton is as tough as they come and would give him the fight of his life. Maybe cuts would be a problem but it would not be the walkover some people think it would be.

walshb

To say Mayweather would destroy Hatton is ludicrous...put simply any fighter thru history at 140 lbs would have a real tough encounter with Hatton. Due to his heart, stamina, chin and relentless style with also his good boxing ability. He's more than just a whirlwind pressure fighter, it is controlled pressure, skilled stalking and crisp hard punching. This remember is non stop and the only type of fighter with a chance of beating that is the exact same fighter, just better....or else someone who has serious KO power at 140lbs....Mayweather does not.......

megadodge

Harris came in at 134

Would you care to quote your source on that one ?

but he is trying to get a GATTI fight lined up. GATTI! He is shot as hell.

Yet this is the same Gatti whose last fight was against none other than - Floyd Mayweather. I agree he's well past it and his style was tailor-made for Floyd, yet that performance was regarded by PBF's fans as 'proof' that he's The Man at 140. Mayweather has NOT fought the best in the Light-Welter division yet whereas Hatton has and beat him !

it would be such an easy fight for Mayweather.

As the poster before me stated, it's ludicrous to suggest anybody would EVER have an easy fight with Hatton. Besides the already mentioned attributes, I would add that one of Hatton's finest and almost unnoticed talents is his footspeed. He closes the distance as quick as anybody in boxing does (unlike Gatti). Allied to that, he's a very big Light-Welter whereas Floyd has moved up two divisions. All adds up to a very uncomfortable night for Mayweather, especially seeing as how he struggled (first time) with Castillo, who is in effect a smaller, slower and less intelligent fighter than Hatton.

Having said all that I'm not saying Hatton would definitely beat Mayweather, but I think it's a real 50-50 fight and barring cuts could be a classic in the mould of Leonard/Duran I.

akindoc

megadodge wrote:

Would you care to quote your source on that one ?.

I don't think you are a real boxing fan. This is common knowledge. Look it up on google. EVERYBODY and their mother knew it.

megadodge wrote:

Yet this is the same Gatti whose last fight was against none other than - Floyd Mayweather. I agree he's well past it and his style was tailor-made for Floyd, yet that performance was regarded by PBF's fans as 'proof' that he's The Man at 140. Mayweather has NOT fought the best in the Light-Welter division yet whereas Hatton has and beat him !?.

PBF destroyed Gatti in one of the worst beatings of all time on PPV. Now, Hatton is going to fight him... why? Why not fight floyd? PBF has beaten Corrales, Castillo, Mitchell, Gatti, Corley etc. He has fought guys like Hatton (Castillo is better than Hatton) whereas Hatton has never EVER fought a SLICK fighter? I wonder why? Whats Hatton going to do? outbox floyd? lol... he'll get picked off and hurt and cut and stopped quickly and easily by PBF

megadodge wrote:

As the poster before me stated, it's ludicrous to suggest anybody would EVER have an easy fight with Hatton. Besides the already mentioned attributes, I would add that one of Hatton's finest and almost unnoticed talents is his footspeed. He closes the distance as quick as anybody in boxing does (unlike Gatti). Allied to that, he's a very big Light-Welter whereas Floyd has moved up two divisions. All adds up to a very uncomfortable night for Mayweather, especially seeing as how he struggled (first time) with Castillo, who is in effect a smaller, slower and less intelligent fighter than Hatton.

Having said all that I'm not saying Hatton would definitely beat Mayweather, but I think it's a real 50-50 fight and barring cuts could be a classic in the mould of Leonard/Duran I.

PBF played with Castillo in the rematch. castillo is MUCH BETTER THAN HATTON BY FAR AND WOULD BEAT HIM IN A FIGHT. All hatton can do is brawl. he was rocked by Magee twice and old Phillips hurt him. FLOYD MAYWEATHER HITS HARDER THAN THEM. He has stopped mitchell gatti ndou chavel corrasles augustus etc... ALL DURABLE GUYS WITH GOOD CHINS.

he is fighting ZAB JUDAH next at 147. Who is Hatton fighting? A washed up fossil in gatti. haha, yeah, he would beat Mayweather alright!

efb

Hatton isnt in the same league as Mayweather
Do some of you guys actually believe everything you Hear on SS?

megadodge

I don't think you are a real boxing fan. This is common knowledge. Look it up on google. EVERYBODY and their mother knew it.

This is in reply to my looking for a source that states Vivian Harris came in to the Maussa fight weighing 134 pounds.
Yes, that's right 134 pounds.
I'll repeat that once more ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR POUNDS !!
One pound under the LIGHTWEIGHT limit ??

If everybody and their mother knew it, how come you haven't quoted a source ? If you're going to reply, please quote even one source.
If you don't.... well, we all know what that means, Mr. Real Boxing Fan.

PBF has beaten Corrales, Castillo, Mitchell, Gatti, Corley

Let's look closely at those names.
Corrales - good fighter, great heart. Mayweather beat him at Superfeather, two weight divisions down.
Castillo - another good fighter (not as good as Hatton in my opinion, for reasons mentioned in previous reply) who Mayweather struggled so much with in their first fight that a lot of people regard it as a loss for PBF. It was also at Lightweight, one division below.
Mitchell - Are you serious ? Of all the fights he could have had he picks Mitchell, a 35 year old who a year ago got absolutely obliterated by Kostya Tszyu (the fella Hatton beat) and gets roundly criticised for it, but you're claiming it is a good win.
Gatti - I love this guy, but a spade is a spade - ie. he's not an A-class fighter. His best days came in the mid to late 90's in the Superfeather division and even then he was having life and death struggles with good-but-not-great fighters. By the time he fought Mayweather I don't think anybody anywhere gave him a chance. His style was perfect for Floyd.
Corley - Along with N'dou he'd be regarded as the gatekeeper of the division.
Beat him and you can start mixing with the big boys. Despite the fact that he's not renowned as a puncher he rocked Mayweather badly in their fight.

So, despite his impressive wins at LOWER weights, he has yet to beat one of the REAL top guys in the Light-Welter division.

All hatton can do is brawl.

If you think of Hatton as just a brawler, then the finer points of boxing are something you have yet to discover. There's not much point in me explaining to you that just because he's not as skillful as Mayweather (who is?) doesn't mean he has no chance against him. The best boxers box to their own strengths rather than their opponents. Duran wasn't supposed to be as skilful as Leonard (even though I would disagree) and look what happened in Montreal.

he was rocked by Magee twice and old Phillips hurt him.FLOYD MAYWEATHER HITS HARDER THAN THEM

He was floored by Magee but unhurt in the first. He was definitely rocked in the second, but proved how smart and adaptable he was by changing tactics and grinding out a tough win.
Phillips' uppercut caught him clean, he clinched and went on as if nothing happened. He was not hurt.
Mayweather is NOT a harder puncher than either of those. He is a tremendously sharp and fast puncher, but accumulation is how he stops opponents. He was hitting Gatti at will, but couldn't finish him off.

He has stopped mitchell gatti ndou chavel corrasles augustus etc... ALL DURABLE GUYS WITH GOOD CHINS.

N'dou, Chavez and Augustus definitely have good chins, but they were just outclassed and ALL finished on their feet.

Gatti and Corrales have tremendous heart, but don't mix that up with durability. Different thing. Neither has a great beard.

Mitchell. Kostya Tsyzu KO3. Mitchell down four times.

I appreciate Mayweather's skills as much as anyone, but I feel if he fights Hatton he's in for a tough, tough fight - barring cuts (very realistic unfortunately). Hatton will be all over him like a rash. Definitely feel Mayweather will win the early rounds, but Hatton will just keep coming and keep working and his physicality and excellent in-fighting skills will make the second half of the fight very, very interesting.

Harry2001

efb wrote:

Hatton isnt in the same league as Mayweather
Do some of you guys actually believe everything you Hear on SS?

No, but some people do believe everything they hear coming from America

akindoc

megadodge wrote:

This is in reply to my looking for a source that states Vivian Harris came in to the Maussa fight weighing 134 pounds.
Yes, that's right 134 pounds.
I'll repeat that once more ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR POUNDS !!
One pound under the LIGHTWEIGHT limit ??

If everybody and their mother knew it, how come you haven't quoted a source ? If you're going to reply, please quote even one source.
If you don't.... well, we all know what that means, Mr. Real Boxing Fan..

You really weren't around watching the buildup and aftermath of that fight, this much is obvious. THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. You really need to get more information down before you criticise other people or at least do some research instead of looking stupid.

http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/boxing/articles/2005/06/26/mayweather_strikes_down_gatti/?page=2

so clearly harris was overtrained for maussa and left everything in the gym. his legs were gone after the first round for f*ks sake.

megadodge wrote:

Let's look closely at those names.
Corrales - good fighter, great heart. Mayweather beat him at Superfeather, two weight divisions down.
Castillo - another good fighter (not as good as Hatton in my opinion, for reasons mentioned in previous reply) who Mayweather struggled so much with in their first fight that a lot of people regard it as a loss for PBF. It was also at Lightweight, one division below.
Mitchell - Are you serious ? Of all the fights he could have had he picks Mitchell, a 35 year old who a year ago got absolutely obliterated by Kostya Tszyu (the fella Hatton beat) and gets roundly criticised for it, but you're claiming it is a good win.
Gatti - I love this guy, but a spade is a spade - ie. he's not an A-class fighter. His best days came in the mid to late 90's in the Superfeather division and even then he was having life and death struggles with good-but-not-great fighters. By the time he fought Mayweather I don't think anybody anywhere gave him a chance. His style was perfect for Floyd.
Corley - Along with N'dou he'd be regarded as the gatekeeper of the division.
Beat him and you can start mixing with the big boys. Despite the fact that he's not renowned as a puncher he rocked Mayweather badly in their fight.

So, despite his impressive wins at LOWER weights, he has yet to beat one of the REAL top guys in the Light-Welter division..

Corrales - So what, what's your point? mayweather gave him the a thourough beating and corrales has stated that he doesn't want mayweather again after that. are you saying he would beat Mayweather at 140? hahaha yeah right

castillo - I love the way you completely ignore the second Castillo fight when floyd controlled the fight and boxed his ears off. He won the first fight regardless. so what if it was at lightweight! Mayweather completely OWNED him in the second fight... a BETTER, more skillful fighter than Hatton!

Mitchell - Are YOU SERIOUS? don't you remember when Hatton shamelessly DUCKED Mitchell? i wonder why? because Mitchell (like PBF, corley, witter, judah etc who have all called hatton out by the way) is a SLICK fighter and has a style to beat someone like hatton. someone who gives hatton ANGLES that he cant get past. So tszyu beat him, that doesn't mean that hatton can beat Mitchell?! lol, you really are an amateur. According to this logic, Fighter A beats fighter B who beat fighter C, so that means fighter A beats fighter C? so I take it you didn't want the ali, forman, frazier fights then?

Gatti- So you slate gatti as not being a top fighter and you don't give PBF credit for giving him a horrendous hiding, yet it is Ok for Hatton to fight him? haha, this gets even better as it goes on!

corley - another fighter hatton ducked. hatton was corelys mandatory for AGES for the WBO belt and NEVER pushed for the fight. Witter asked him about this on Sk and he dodged the question. Corley was completely given a supreme beating by mayweather who ws in controlfor the whole contest. So he got hit once, Cotto (who would also destroy hatton) was hit and hurt by corley. corley is a good fighter, he has always ran the top fighters VERY close and would beat hatton in my opinion. hatton has never fought a SLICK fighter (No, thaxton doesn't count! lol)

floyd has fought and beaten the BEST competition of ANY fighter over the past 2-3 years and he keeps striving for the best. He wants Hatton but Hatton is looking towards Gatti instead... lol that speaks alot. He could have fought PBF last Saturday but he opted for the amateur maussa. Who has Hatton beaten? old phillips? old oliviera? tackie (a world class punch bag?)? steven smith? aldo rios? dennis holbaek pederson? carlos wilfredo vilches?

hahah

the only top fighter hes beaten was tszyu, and that was a Tszyu who was 35, coming off a career threatning injury and had 3 rounds in 2 YEARS! tszyu is PAST it now, hatton got him at the right time. Apart from the tszyu fight he has fought NOTHING.

you are hilarious!

megadodge wrote:

If you think of Hatton as just a brawler, then the finer points of boxing are something you have yet to discover. There's not much point in me explaining to you that just because he's not as skillful as Mayweather (who is?) doesn't mean he has no chance against him. The best boxers box to their own strengths rather than their opponents. Duran wasn't supposed to be as skilful as Leonard (even though I would disagree) and look what happened in Montreal..

hatton walks forward dipping and dodging and comes to brawl. that will work against old fighters and washed up lightweights where he can get away with his style but against a top fighter he will take punches as he comes in and get knocked out quite easily. mayweather will have an easy time of it I'm sure. He will easily hit and hurt hatton. he will cut him up and stop him.

megadodge wrote:

He was floored by Magee but unhurt in the first. He was definitely rocked in the second, but proved how smart and adaptable he was by changing tactics and grinding out a tough win.
Phillips' uppercut caught him clean, he clinched and went on as if nothing happened. He was not hurt.
Mayweather is NOT a harder puncher than either of those. He is a tremendously sharp and fast puncher, but accumulation is how he stops opponents. He was hitting Gatti at will, but couldn't finish him off..

hatton isn't a hard puncher either at the top level. he is an accumulation puncher. neither of us can say for sure how hard mayweather or hatton hits but there isnt a huge discrepancy between them obviously. hatton was hitting maussa at will but couldnt finish him off until the ninth. he was hitting viclches at will but couldnt finish him off. neither has one punch knock out power until the mid/later rounds when the accumulation has taken effect. i dont understand what point you are making here really. its not clear that hatton hits harder than floyd or vice versa.

megadodge wrote:

N'dou, Chavez and Augustus definitely have good chins, but they were just outclassed and ALL finished on their feet.

Gatti and Corrales have tremendous heart, but don't mix that up with durability. Different thing. Neither has a great beard.

Mitchell. Kostya Tsyzu KO3. Mitchell down four times.

I appreciate Mayweather's skills as much as anyone, but I feel if he fights Hatton he's in for a tough, tough fight - barring cuts (very realistic unfortunately). Hatton will be all over him like a rash. Definitely feel Mayweather will win the early rounds, but Hatton will just keep coming and keep working and his physicality and excellent in-fighting skills will make the second half of the fight very, very interesting.

so what if chavez/ndou and augustus finished on their feet. chavez would have been kod if his corner didnt stop it, ndou would have too and augustus is the same story. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? they were taking punches and would have been stopped if their corner didnt take them out.

Corrales and gatti have good chins. You dont have careers they have had if you dont have a good chin. Watch the first castillo fight and tell me corrales doesnt have a good beard again. watch gatti get almost knocked out in the ward fights and come back IN THE SAME ROUND. they have good chins. What, are you saying they have bad chins? lol!

hatton won't be all over him. he'll find out early that he is fighting FLOYD MAYWEATHER, the fastest fighter out there and he'll get HIT and HURT and possibly CUT early so he'll know all about floyds speed and power. he'll keep trying to come forward but he'll keep taking shots and floyd will put him onto the back foot and stop him mid/lte rounds. EASILY.

akindoc

Harry2001 wrote:

No, but some people do believe everything they hear coming from America

some people believe everything they hear coming from english commentators about hatton. those nuthuggers brainwash people into beliveing hatton actually has a chance with mayweather or cotto...

Harry2001

akindoc wrote:

some people believe everything they hear coming from english commentators about hatton. those nuthuggers brainwash people into beliveing hatton actually has a chance with mayweather or cotto...

Most people on here are intelligent enough to form their own options and not be influenced by some slobbering fool on SS

Hatton has a chance against both but we won’t know for sure unless the fights happen, I’m just looking forward to seeing how pretty Mayweather is after 12 rounds with Hatton

akindoc

Harry2001 wrote:

Most people on here are intelligent enough to form their own options and not be influenced by some slobbering fool on SS

Hatton has a chance against both but we won’t know for sure unless the fights happen, I’m just looking forward to seeing how pretty Mayweather is after 12 rounds with Hatton

hatton is one of the ugliest men in sport

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

hatton is one of the ugliest men in sport

He doesn't look too bad compared to Maussa .

MBC

hatton is one of the ugliest men in sport

Bet you wouldn't say it to his face:D

megadodge

You really need to get more information down before you criticise other people or at least do some research instead of looking stupid.

Funny how the words of the ignorant always come back to haunt them.

The following link is to Boxrec, a boxing dedicated website used by boxing record-keepers, statisticians and matchmakers the world over. It shows the complete record of Vivian Harris. Take a look.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008962

What weight was Harris for the Maussa fight ?

Strangely enough, on page 13 of the July 1 2005 issue of Boxing News ( a boxing dedicated magazine first published in 1906 and renowned for it's factual based and bullsh*t-free reporting) also has Harris weighing the same as Boxrec does.
Bit of a coincidence that.
Both of these highly regarded and credible sources happened to report the SAME wrong (according to you) weight.
Maybe they should consult the Boston Globe before their next fight report.

Corrales - So what, what's your point? mayweather gave him the a thourough beating and corrales has stated that he doesn't want mayweather again after that. are you saying he would beat Mayweather at 140? hahaha yeah right

My point was very clear to anyone not trying to avoid it.
That fight took place at Super-featherweight!
Hatton is a very big Light-Welter!

Where exactly did I say Corrales would beat Mayweather ?

castillo - I love the way you completely ignore the second Castillo fight when floyd controlled the fight and boxed his ears off. He won the first fight regardless. so what if it was at lightweight! Mayweather completely OWNED him in the second fight... a BETTER, more skillful fighter than Hatton!

I love the way you completely ignore the first fight, a fight many had Castillo winning.
Again, it was at a lower weight.
The fact that there is a reason for having different weight divisions seems to be completely lost on you.

As for Castillo being better than Hatton, that's a matter of opinion. Mine differs from yours. Castillo is smaller and slower (both hand and foot) and IMO not as skillful.

Mitchell - Are YOU SERIOUS? don't you remember when Hatton shamelessly DUCKED Mitchell? i wonder why? because Mitchell (like PBF, corley, witter, judah etc who have all called hatton out by the way) is a SLICK fighter and has a style to beat someone like hatton. someone who gives hatton ANGLES that he cant get past. So tszyu beat him, that doesn't mean that hatton can beat Mitchell?! lol, you really are an amateur. According to this logic, Fighter A beats fighter B who beat fighter C, so that means fighter A beats fighter C? so I take it you didn't want the ali, forman, frazier fights then?

Yup, Hatton ducked Mitchell by fighting Kostya Tsyzu. Brilliant.

And my point is that Mitchell was a ridiculous fight for Mayweather to take ESPECIALLY after he was calling out absolutely everybody within a stone of him (including Winky Wright - what happened there?). Calling out and fighting are two different things, hence the all-round condemnation of Mayweather for this fight.

Gatti- So you slate gatti as not being a top fighter and you don't give PBF credit for giving him a horrendous hiding, yet it is Ok for Hatton to fight him? haha, this gets even better as it goes on!

Yet again, you lie.
Please point out where I said it was OK for Hatton to fight Gatti.

Corley was completely given a supreme beating by mayweather who ws in controlfor the whole contest. So he got hit once,

The Boxing News front page headline on 28 May 2004 was 'Do great fighters get hit this much?' with an accompanying picture of a not-too-pretty Floyd Mayweather.
So much for your 'he got hit once' theory.

floyd has fought and beaten the BEST competition of ANY fighter over the past 2-3 years and he keeps striving for the best

Besides the Harris lie, this is the most laughable of all your claims.
Almost exactly three years ago Mayweather fought Castillo in the rematch.
Since then.....

Victoriano Sosa
Phillip N'dou
Corley
Henry Brusseles
Gatti
Mitchell

Not even ONE A-class fighter in three years and you have the cheek to overlook the numerous other top fighters who actually FOUGHT other top fighters in that time.

Research.

Apart from the tszyu fight he has fought NOTHING.

If that's true, that has to be the most impressive debut EVER !!

he will take punches as he comes in and get knocked out quite easily.

Tsyzu is an exceptionally hard puncher who caught Hatton numerous times flush yet Hatton never budged. Whatever about cuts, Hatton won't be getting knocked out anytime soon.

Originally Posted by megadodge
He was floored by Magee but unhurt in the first. He was definitely rocked in the second, but proved how smart and adaptable he was by changing tactics and grinding out a tough win.
Phillips' uppercut caught him clean, he clinched and went on as if nothing happened. He was not hurt.
Mayweather is NOT a harder puncher than either of those. He is a tremendously sharp and fast puncher, but accumulation is how he stops opponents. He was hitting Gatti at will, but couldn't finish him off..

hatton isn't a hard puncher either at the top level. he is an accumulation puncher. neither of us can say for sure how hard mayweather or hatton hits but there isnt a huge discrepancy between them obviously. hatton was hitting maussa at will but couldnt finish him off until the ninth. he was hitting viclches at will but couldnt finish him off. neither has one punch knock out power until the mid/later rounds when the accumulation has taken effect. i dont understand what point you are making here really. its not clear that hatton hits harder than floyd or vice versa.

I knew something was wrong here when I found myself agreeing with you. Both ARE accumulation punchers, but the reason yet again that you didn't 'understand what point I was making here' is because that wasn't the point I was making !!!
At no stage did I actually compare Hatton's and Mayweather's punching power. If you look above you will see that I was talking about Magee and Phillips punching power versus Mayweather.

Corrales and gatti have good chins. You dont have careers they have had if you dont have a good chin. Watch the first castillo fight and tell me corrales doesnt have a good beard again. watch gatti get almost knocked out in the ward fights and come back IN THE SAME ROUND. they have good chins. What, are you saying they have bad chins? lol!

This is really a topic for another thread, but since you insist...
Gatti and Coralles have legendary HEARTS/DESIRE/WILL-TO-WIN, whatever you want to call it, but the reason everybody knows this is because they are hurt so often !!!
Fighters with good chins, by very definition, DON'T get hurt very often. QED.

And yet again, no, I didn't say they had BAD chins.
You see in this world there is more than just black and white, there are huge expanses of grey.

He'd stop hatton in a few rounds on cuts/tko.

floyd will put him onto the back foot and stop him mid/lte rounds. EASILY.

Make your mind up.


In finishing, I just want to say that I have no problem with you thinking Mayweather will win. It's the EASY bit I disagree with. Barring early cuts, this has all the makings of a very tough fight for both fighters.
Now, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean you have to get all worked up and emotional, because that results in... well, all of the above.

Stick to the facts.

PS: MUUWWAAAHHHHHHHaaaaahaaahaaaahaahaaa

akindoc

megadodge wrote:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008962

What weight was Harris for the Maussa fight ?

Strangely enough, on page 13 of the July 1 2005 issue of Boxing News ( a boxing dedicated magazine first published in 1906 and renowned for it's factual based and bullsh*t-free reporting) also has Harris weighing the same as Boxrec does.
Bit of a coincidence that.
Both of these highly regarded and credible sources happened to report the SAME wrong (according to you) weight.
Maybe they should consult the Boston Globe before their next fight report.

Listen, here is what happened.
1. harris got onto the scales.
2. The announcer called his weight at 134 pounds
3. Harris got off the scales.

I've heard this from people who WERE ACTUALLY THERE. LARRY MERCHANT said it DURING THE FIGHT. get the US version. Go to fightbeat.com and ask the guys there who GO TO THESE THINGS what happened and they'll tell you exactly what I did. his weight was ANNOUNCED AS 134... FACT! I've contacted boxrec about it and they haven't been in touch but they have it wrong. It is reported everywhere to be 134. Commenataors/Harris himself/people who were there/ people close to the camp. I am not making this up.

megadodge wrote:

My point was very clear to anyone not trying to avoid it.
That fight took place at Super-featherweight!
Hatton is a very big Light-Welter!

Where exactly did I say Corrales would beat Mayweather ?

I love the way you completely ignore the first fight, a fight many had Castillo winning.
Again, it was at a lower weight.
The fact that there is a reason for having different weight divisions seems to be completely lost on you.

As for Castillo being better than Hatton, that's a matter of opinion. Mine differs from yours. Castillo is smaller and slower (both hand and foot) and IMO not as skillful.

1. Floyd is a big strong fighter himself. he was 147 for his last fight. You are trying to discredit his victory over Corrales (it was at a lower weight). my responce - "What difference does it make? Would Corrales beat him at 140?" this seems to be what you are implying. otherwise, why would you make the point. I know it was at a lower weight but Floyd has his number and would beat him at any weight so what's the point of mentioning it unless you are trying to imply that Corrales would beat him at a higher weight?

2. Floyd had a tough fight the first time against Castillo, but still won. I acknowledge that. He had never fought a guy like Castillo before. Castillo is a fu*king good fighter, no shame in beating him close. YOU are only mentioning that fight. After that fight, FLOYD KNEW HOW TO FIGHT GUYS LIKE THAT and proceeded to teach castillo a lesson and comfortably beat him. Hilarious that you bring up that first fight as evidence that Hatton might beat Floyd, yet you completely disregard the REMATCH when Floyd COMFORTABLY beat Castillo. If the first fight is "evidence" that hatton will give Mayweather a touch fight (according to you), then why don't you also mention the REMATCH as "evidence" that Mayweather will comfortably beat Hatton?

3. castillo is just as skilful, faster and could match hatton for strength. he has been struggling at the lower weights for years.

megadodge wrote:

Yup, Hatton ducked Mitchell by fighting Kostya Tsyzu. Brilliant.

And my point is that Mitchell was a ridiculous fight for Mayweather to take ESPECIALLY after he was calling out absolutely everybody within a stone of him (including Winky Wright - what happened there?). Calling out and fighting are two different things, hence the all-round condemnation of Mayweather for this fight.

Yet again, you lie.
Please point out where I said it was OK for Hatton to fight Gatti.

The Boxing News front page headline on 28 May 2004 was 'Do great fighters get hit this much?' with an accompanying picture of a not-too-pretty Floyd Mayweather.
So much for your 'he got hit once' theory.

1. no he ducked Mitchell for a few years before that and then blatantly ducked him to fight a guy who Mitchell DEVOURED in manchester, mike "Joke" Stewart. he didn't have to fight stewart but took the easier option because the Mitchell fight was a harder fight due to Mitchells SLICK style... comething Hatton has yet to deal with in a ring.

2. Hatton has been saying he wants Cotto and Mayweather for years. who has he fought? Tackie, Oliveria, phillips, smith, Rios, Vilches etc. What about his ducking of Witter for 5 years? should he also be condemned for all of this like Mayweather is? you are doubting mayweathers will to make big fights. This is a guy who has fought a higher level of competition that hatton for YEARS. Corrales (Many picked him ot beat PBF), Castillo, chavez, Corley, mitchell and gatti. This is a former 130 pounder now fighting at 147! And his NEXT fight is against ZAB JUDAH at 147!

3. LOL, Mayweather CONTROLLED THE CORLEY FIGHT from start to finish. 119-107, 118-108 and 119-108. in case you've missed it, that's almost a shut out on every card. Corley, (a guy who hatton was mandatory to face but never did... Yet another SLICK fighter he has avoided...) since went on to HURT Cotto and he gave judah a very touch fight, only losing by a round on the judges scorcards. He is NO MUG, yet Mayweather shut him out. And you are criticising him for it.

megadodge wrote:

Besides the Harris lie, this is the most laughable of all your claims.
Almost exactly three years ago Mayweather fought Castillo in the rematch.
Since then.....

Victoriano Sosa
Phillip N'dou
Corley
Henry Brusseles
Gatti
Mitchell

Not even ONE A-class fighter in three years and you have the cheek to overlook the numerous other top fighters who actually FOUGHT other top fighters in that time.

Research.

Castillo, ndou, Corley, mitchell and gatti were all fights that Mayweather went into taking a risk. Ndou was a banger boxer who people thought might catch Floyd. Castillo was the BEST at 135. Corley was his first fight at 140, a guy who pushed Judah close and was AWKWARD. Gatti was his second fight at 140, also a fight people thought he would lose because gatti would be too strong. And Mitchell, although on the slide, was at 147, yes ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTY SEVEN POUNDS against another awkward top guy. Mitchell is up there compared to the likes to Stewart, Vilches, Rios, Old oliviera, Old Phillips etc. funny how you critisist Floyds opponents but not hattons. Look back through his record, CHAVEZ, CORRALES, etc. Floyd has beaten all these guys. he is WORLDWIDE rated as the BEST pound for pound. Hatton doesn't even make the top 10, and if he does (being generous) , he's on the other side of 5.

megadodge wrote:

And
If that's true, that has to be the most impressive debut EVER !!

Are you being ignorant on purpose? If you are not going to address my point, then just don't quote it and move on. Don't embarrass yourself with poor responses. Old phillips/oliviera, steven smith, rios, vilches, pederson, stewart?

megadodge wrote:

Tsyzu is an exceptionally hard puncher who caught Hatton numerous times flush yet Hatton never budged. Whatever about cuts, Hatton won't be getting knocked out anytime soon.

Tszyu was never able to hit him properly because the was on the back foot. He never hit him like he hit Mitchell or judah. Hatton was rocked by magee and phillips.I dont think they hit harder than floyd.

megadodge wrote:

I knew something was wrong here when I found myself agreeing with you. Both ARE accumulation punchers, but the reason yet again that you didn't 'understand what point I was making here' is because that wasn't the point I was making !!!
At no stage did I actually compare Hatton's and Mayweather's punching power. If you look above you will see that I was talking about Magee and Phillips punching power versus Mayweather.

My point still holds. you can't say that either hits harder than mayweather. magee has NO stoppages at world level and Phillips is also an accumulation fighter. really, there is nothing to say that Phillips or Magee hit harder than him as you suggest. Especially now that he has STOPPED Sharmba at 147.

megadodge wrote:

This is really a topic for another thread, but since you insist...
Gatti and Coralles have legendary HEARTS/DESIRE/WILL-TO-WIN, whatever you want to call it, but the reason everybody knows this is because they are hurt so often !!!
Fighters with good chins, by very definition, DON'T get hurt very often. QED.

And yet again, no, I didn't say they had BAD chins.
You see in this world there is more than just black and white, there are huge expanses of grey.

"Fighters with good chins, by very definition, DON'T get hurt very often. QED." And you also say that Corrales and gatti get hurt very often. So by your own LOGIC, they have NOT got "good chins". Hey, you said it. they get hurt but they don't get BADLY hurt. Hilarious that you say they have not got good chins considering their careers and the castillo fights corrales had when he WALKED through Castillos best punches.

megadodge wrote:

Make your mind up.

megadodge wrote:

mid rounds easy stoppage for mayweather. Where did I say any different?

megadodge wrote:

In finishing, I just want to say that I have no problem with you thinking Mayweather will win. It's the EASY bit I disagree with. Barring early cuts, this has all the makings of a very tough fight for both fighters.
Now, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean you have to get all worked up and emotional, because that results in... well, all of the above.

Stick to the facts.

PS: MUUWWAAAHHHHHHHaaaaahaaahaaaahaahaaa

1. You are entitled to your opinion on how Mayweather will win.

I am not getting wound up at all, in fact I have enjoyed owning you.

megadodge

I'll try to keep this short, although it's not easy with all the factual errors, tangents and avoidance that keeps coming back from your side.

In relation to Harris's weight I've been trawling other websites and magazines and still haven't come across anything to suggest 134lbs. However, you do seem to be convinced and I have not seen the US broadcast (I saw the fight live on Sky, where it was never mentioned) so I'll just agree to disagree as it's just a matter of what sources are used.

You've gone so far off on a tangent re. the Corrales/Mayweather fight that I'm going to spell this out so straightforwardly, even you might understand.
The Corrales fight took place at super-feather (9st 4lbs).
A Hatton fight would take place at light-welter (10st even) NOT at super-feather !!!
That's as simple as I can make it !
According to your logic(?) because he beat a very good fighter at 9st 4lbs it follows he'll beat a very good fighter at 10st.
Why, if this is true, do we bother with different weight classes? (I don't expect you to answer this since you ignored the point last time as well)

This is a former 130 pounder now fighting at 147!
And his NEXT fight is against ZAB JUDAH at 147!

Oops, you DID bring the weight issue up.
But surely that means that moving up in weight is hard to do and not as straightforward as.... well, as you've made it look earlier.
Stop contradicting yourself.

And on the subject of not being able to make your mind up, you've now made a THIRD prediction.
Prediction 1 - he'll stop Hatton in a few rounds cuts/tko
Prediction 2 - Stop him mid/late rounds EASY
Prediction 3 - Mid rounds easy stoppage

Are you sure you're not a woman ?

floyd has fought and beaten the BEST competition of ANY fighter over the past 2-3 years and he keeps striving for the best

That is a lie !
I'm not going to let you away with this even though you keep trying to deflect attention away from it by harping on about Hatton's competition (which at absolutely no point have I tried to defend).

And you had the gall to mention embarrassment in the last post, then go along trying to defend Gatti as an opponent for PBF when IN THIS VERY THREAD you said

GATTI! He is shot as hell

Again, MAKE YOUR MIND UP !!
As for Mitchell, Mayweather was priced at 1.14 (put 100 on to win 14) on Betfair to win that fight. I did exactly that as it was 'free' money.

In relation to 'good' v 'bad' chins, yet again you choose to ignore a point I made so I'll quote it here again

You see in this world there is more than just black and white, there are huge expanses of grey.

I know it's a bit cryptic, but think about it for a while and you just might understand.

As for my joking remark regarding Hatton's "impressive debut", for a fella who uses "lol", "hilarious" and "hahaha" so consistantly in your posts you sure show a remarkable lack of sense of humour.

Must be feeling the pressure.

Big Ears

Just a few things to point out , most of them monior(ish) details .
Hatton didn't have to fight Stewart but it was an eliminater for the IBF title so it was wise to do so .

Gatti was Mayweather's third fight at 140 lbs .

and that a good chin is someones ability to take punches and not go down , not someones ability to recover from a knockdown (how well/fast their head clears) .

akindoc

megadodge wrote:

I'll try to keep this short, although it's not easy with all the factual errors, tangents and avoidance that keeps coming back from your side.

In relation to Harris's weight I've been trawling other websites and magazines and still haven't come across anything to suggest 134lbs. However, you do seem to be convinced and I have not seen the US broadcast (I saw the fight live on Sky, where it was never mentioned) so I'll just agree to disagree as it's just a matter of what sources are used.

You've gone so far off on a tangent re. the Corrales/Mayweather fight that I'm going to spell this out so straightforwardly, even you might understand.
The Corrales fight took place at super-feather (9st 4lbs).
A Hatton fight would take place at light-welter (10st even) NOT at super-feather !!!
That's as simple as I can make it !
According to your logic(?) because he beat a very good fighter at 9st 4lbs it follows he'll beat a very good fighter at 10st.
Why, if this is true, do we bother with different weight classes? (I don't expect you to answer this since you ignored the point last time as well)



Oops, you DID bring the weight issue up.
But surely that means that moving up in weight is hard to do and not as straightforward as.... well, as you've made it look earlier.
Stop contradicting yourself.

And on the subject of not being able to make your mind up, you've now made a THIRD prediction.
Prediction 1 - he'll stop Hatton in a few rounds cuts/tko
Prediction 2 - Stop him mid/late rounds EASY
Prediction 3 - Mid rounds easy stoppage

Are you sure you're not a woman ?



That is a lie !
I'm not going to let you away with this even though you keep trying to deflect attention away from it by harping on about Hatton's competition (which at absolutely no point have I tried to defend).

And you had the gall to mention embarrassment in the last post, then go along trying to defend Gatti as an opponent for PBF when IN THIS VERY THREAD you said
Again, MAKE YOUR MIND UP !!
As for Mitchell, Mayweather was priced at 1.14 (put 100 on to win 14) on Betfair to win that fight. I did exactly that as it was 'free' money.

In relation to 'good' v 'bad' chins, yet again you choose to ignore a point I made so I'll quote it here again
I know it's a bit cryptic, but think about it for a while and you just might understand.

As for my joking remark regarding Hatton's "impressive debut", for a fella who uses "lol", "hilarious" and "hahaha" so consistantly in your posts you sure show a remarkable lack of sense of humour.

Must be feeling the pressure.

I will do this in point form.

1.
I know PBF beat Corrales at 9'4. You know it. Big ear's knows it. EVERYBODY knows it. What is the point of mentioning it? I don't get that at all. Now, I am talking SPECIFICALLY about Corrales here. PBF would beat him at 135, 140, 147 So WHAT IS THE POINT in mentioning that. YES, he beat him at 9'4... AND?? What's the big deal? To make a big deal out of Mayweather giving Corrales a HIDING at 9'4 is to imply that Corrales may have a chance at a different weight. Otherwise, WHAT IS THE POINT? because If WE ALL KNOW, that PBF beats Corrales at any weight, WHAT IS THE POINT of mentioning what weight it was? Especially now that PBF has proven he is strong at 140.

Question - Do you think corrales would beat mayweather at any weight?

2.
Prediction 1 - he'll stop Hatton in a few rounds cuts/tko
Prediction 2 - Stop him mid/late rounds EASY
Prediction 3 - Mid rounds easy stoppage

I'll make an accurate prediction to make my point although I'm not saying this is what I believe. If I were to say PBF beats Hatton in the 6th. Which is somewhere around what I believe... tell me how that contradicts any of the above predictions. It doesn't. IT IS THE SAME PREDICTION.

3.
we went over Mayweathers opposition. I will say that it has been the best of the past few years of any fighter. I said 2-3, I'll say 3-4. We can go over this again if you want.

4.
Look at the respective position gatti was in when mayweather fought him and NOW when hatton is trying to get a fight. PBF vs Gatti had maretability due to Floyd coming up and it was seen as a hard fight for floyd by some. SOME PEOPLE WERE PICKING GATTI. Now, WHO WILL BE PICKING GATTI TO BEAT HATTON? none, because he was destroyed by PBF and isn't even campaigning at 140 anymore because he can't make it. he's COMPLETELY DONE now. IF hatton had fought him last year, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GRAND, but he's damaged goods. So I can defend PBF vs Gatti since Gatti was seen to be a hard fight for Floyd by some experts. I know Dan Raphaell picked Gatti. But NOW, if Floyd fought Gatti I would SLATE him. Similarly, I will do that same with hatton.

5. "Corrales doesn't have a good chin", YOU SAID IT. And that is GARBAGE. And I have proven that.
Question: Does Corrales have a good chin, yes or no?
Question: Does gatti have a good chin, yes or no?

QED

megadodge

Question - Do you think corrales would beat mayweather at any weight?

Not for one minute do I think Corrales would beat Mayweather at any weight !
And at no stage did I say or imply that he would !!
That was a brilliant win for Mayweather in a fight that was seen as a genuinely 50/50 affair beforehand.

I seriously believe you're playing dumb here, 'cos you can't possibly have failed to understand that my point (repeatedly) has been that beating Corrales at super-feather does not mean he (Mayweather) will beat Hatton at Light-welter. Note how I underlined and emboldened Hatton's name in my last post, just as I have here.

This whole exchange has been about Hatton/Mayweather, so why the hell would I start talking about Corrales/Mayweather at 10st ?
I'm not the one evading the points all the time.

Prediction 1 - he'll stop Hatton in a few rounds cuts/tko
Prediction 2 - Stop him mid/late rounds EASY
Prediction 3 - Mid rounds easy stoppage

The word 'few' = 3 or 4 in virtually everybody else's eyes not 6.
If 'mid/late' = 'mid' then why bother putting in the word 'late' ?
The word 'late' = 10,11 or 12 rounds.


In relation to Mayweather's opposition -

I said 2-3, I'll say 3-4.

So you're admitting that 2-3 years was an error on your part, as it's plain to see that his opposition over that time has been anything but elite ?

Look at the respective position gatti was in when mayweather fought him

A complete and utter no-hoper in virtually everybody's eyes.
Fair play, you found someone who thought Gatti could win, which at least shows you're not afraid of hard work. It can't have been easy.
I was in a prediction competition at the time and EVERY SINGLE person in the comp predicted a Mayweather win, as did all the major magazines and any of the TV analysts I saw (not U.S.).

But NOW, if Floyd fought Gatti I would SLATE him.

I doubt it.
You've already tried to make Mitchell out as a tough opponent !

Question: Does Corrales have a good chin, yes or no?
Question: Does gatti have a good chin, yes or no?

No to both.
They don't have bad chins either, just OK.
Corrales was floored with single punches FIVE times by an accumulation puncher (we both agreed on that one) in Mayweather.
Casamayor floored him three times in two fights and nobody in their right mind calls him a big puncher.
Gatti has been hurt/floored so often it's hard to keep track, but two good examples are complete non-punchers Gaby Ruelas and Wilson Rodriguez.
Ruelas had Gatti all over the place from a single uppercut before Gatti came back with a legendary left hook to finish it. Rodriguez floored him once and rattled him numerous times before Gatti pulled it out of the fire again.

If you want to talk about HEART, well that's a different story.
I don't think in the history of boxing there have been bigger hearts than those two guys. They have repeatedly proven that.
How ?
By repeatedly fighting back from seemingly hopeless positions caused by the fact that their chins aren't exactly in the Marvin Hagler mould. QED.

akindoc

megadodge wrote:

Not for one minute do I think Corrales would beat Mayweather at any weight !
And at no stage did I say or imply that he would !!
That was a brilliant win for Mayweather in a fight that was seen as a genuinely 50/50 affair beforehand.

I seriously believe you're playing dumb here, 'cos you can't possibly have failed to understand that my point (repeatedly) has been that beating Corrales at super-feather does not mean he (Mayweather) will beat Hatton at Light-welter. Note how I underlined and emboldened Hatton's name in my last post, just as I have here.

This whole exchange has been about Hatton/Mayweather, so why the hell would I start talking about Corrales/Mayweather at 10st ?
I'm not the one evading the points all the time..

Why would I play dumb? You say your point was that beating Corrales at 9'4 doesn't mean he would beat Hatton at 140, WHO SAID IT DID? THAT would be a RIDICULOUS thing to say. If that was the ridiculous, OBVIOUS point you were making, excuse me for overlooking it. Some things go without saying. What a terrible point. It's like me saying, "The grass is green over in Ireland so it's obviously green over in America". WHAT IS THE POINT in saying it, it's fu*King OBVIOUS.

megadodge wrote:

The word 'few' = 3 or 4 in virtually everybody else's eyes not 6.
If 'mid/late' = 'mid' then why bother putting in the word 'late' ?
The word 'late' = 10,11 or 12 rounds...

To me few = 5-6 and mid =5-6-7 and mid-late = 7-8-9. "Late" by itself means 11-12. It's subjective I guess. But again, what point are you making? This is irrelevant really. The fact is I think mayweather will have no trouble giving Hatton a good hiding and stop him in a few rounds on cuts/tko/ko/whatever, it will be a STOPPAGE.

megadodge wrote:

In relation to Mayweather's opposition -


So you're admitting that 2-3 years was an error on your part, as it's plain to see that his opposition over that time has been anything but elite ?...

In the last 3 years he has fought better competition than Hatton that's for sure and he has fought the best of any fighter in my opinion, and his career from the time he fought augustus in 2000 has been the best opposition OF ANY FIGHTER. I DID say 2-3 years so INCLUDE the Castillo fights if you are going to be "strict" about that but go back to the augustus fight and show me a fighter that has fought better competition. Good luck

megadodge wrote:

A complete and utter no-hoper in virtually everybody's eyes.
Fair play, you found someone who thought Gatti could win, which at least shows you're not afraid of hard work. It can't have been easy.
I was in a prediction competition at the time and EVERY SINGLE person in the comp predicted a Mayweather win, as did all the major magazines and any of the TV analysts I saw (not U.S.).?...

mayweather was an overwhelming favourite I agree but it was a test and there were a lot of people picking Gatti. maybe you don't frequent message boards or read magazines but I do. You mare making it out that EVERY SINGLE PERSON thought PBF would win... no. And since you are downgrading gatti do much, and since Mayweather DESTROYED HIM, and since you are defending HATTON... Do you know that HATTON is trying to set a fight up against GATTI??? LOL... So realise that EVERYTHIGN you say about PBF fighting Gatti, you are also saying about HATTON (x2) because Hatton is going to be fighting Gatti next! LOL, I love it!

megadodge wrote:

I doubt it.
You've already tried to make Mitchell out as a tough opponent !.).?...

LOL, Mitchell WAS a tough opponent. Hatton seemed to think so... thats why he didn't fight him when MITCHELL AND SHAW EMBARASSED HATTON on Sky and CALLED HIM OUT in his own city after they WHOPPED JOKE STEWART. He told Hatton he'd beat him in his own town. What did hatton do next? He fought JOKE STEWART, who Mitchell had given a hiding to. Seems like Mitchell was too much of a "tough opponent" for YOUR boy

megadodge wrote:

No to both.
They don't have bad chins either, just OK.
Corrales was floored with single punches FIVE times by an accumulation puncher (we both agreed on that one) in Mayweather.
Casamayor floored him three times in two fights and nobody in their right mind calls him a big puncher.
Gatti has been hurt/floored so often it's hard to keep track, but two good examples are complete non-punchers Gaby Ruelas and Wilson Rodriguez.
Ruelas had Gatti all over the place from a single uppercut before Gatti came back with a legendary left hook to finish it. Rodriguez floored him once and rattled him numerous times before Gatti pulled it out of the fire again.

If you want to talk about HEART, well that's a different story.
I don't think in the history of boxing there have been bigger hearts than those two guys. They have repeatedly proven that.
How ?
By repeatedly fighting back from seemingly hopeless positions caused by the fact that their chins aren't exactly in the Marvin Hagler mould. QED.

Did you see Gatti taking HUGE shots from Ward and firing right back. He has done that in almost every fight hes had, smae for Corrales. the reason they get hurt i because they get HIT SO OFTEN. They have both taken huge punches from punchers and stayed upright. You obviously haven't watched many of their fights to say they don't have good chins. I can't even believe you are trying to say they don't have good chins, THAT is ridiculous again. I never said they had GREAT chins, but they certainly have GOOD chins and anybody who says otherwise needs to watch some of their fights.

Big Ears

I am forced to point out again that Hatton's fight with Stewart was an IBF eliminater , that's the reason he faught him .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

I am forced to point out again that Hatton's fight with Stewart was an IBF eliminater , that's the reason he faught him .

I am forced to point out that MITCHELL was the IBF interim title holder and if Hatton had fought him and beat him he would have got tszyu next instead of the old fossil oliviera while MITCHELL got his shot instead of hatton because hatton ducked out of the fight.

Get your facts straight.

1. Mitchell HAMMERED Stewart to become IBF interim champion
2. Mitchell went on Sky and called Hatton out in front of millions and in front of hattons own fans in the arena
3. Hatton wanted NONE of Mitchell. Why? We can only speculate, but he seems to avoid all known slicksters.
4. Mitchell gets the IBF shot before Hatton.


that is what happened. Don't act like Hatton had no choice, the Mitchell fight was there, and he ducked out of it. Floyd didn't do that.

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

that is what happened. Don't act like Hatton had no choice, the Mitchell fight was there, and he ducked out of it. Floyd didn't do that.

That's right Floyd ducked Margarito not Mitchell .

megadodge

1. Mitchell HAMMERED Stewart to become IBF interim champion
2. Mitchell went on Sky and called Hatton out in front of millions and in front of hattons own fans in the arena
3. Hatton wanted NONE of Mitchell. Why? We can only speculate, but he seems to avoid all known slicksters.
4. Mitchell gets the IBF shot before Hatton.

5. Mitchell gets ABSOLUTELY HAMMERED by Tsyzu.
6. Mayweather fights Mitchell !!!!!
7. Akindoc says

LOL, Mitchell WAS a tough opponent

8. I say LOL, LOL, LOL I couldn't agree more LOL, LOL, LOL.

You say your point was that beating Corrales at 9'4 doesn't mean he would beat Hatton at 140,
WHO SAID IT DID? THAT would be a RIDICULOUS thing to say.

I agree, but... you suggested it with the following.

Why not fight floyd? PBF has beaten Corrales, Castillo, etc.
He has fought guys like Hatton (Castillo is better than Hatton) whereas Hatton has never EVER fought a SLICK fighter? I wonder why?
Whats Hatton going to do? outbox floyd? lol...

Can't wait to see what evasive action you resort to in order to get out of this one.
A flat out lie ?
An 'I didn't mean that' ?
An 'I said that then but now I say this' ? Shades of Bob Arum there !!

he'll get picked off and hurt and cut and stopped quickly and easily by PBF

Wahay, ANOTHER prediction I missed !
Unless of course 'quickly' means 5-6 rounds.
If that's the case I wonder what 1 round would be ?

It's like me saying, "The grass is green over in Ireland so it's obviously green over in America".

The more you post the greener you look.
And I'm pretty certain you're smoking grass half the time.

In the last 3 years he has fought better competition than Hatton that's for sure and he has fought the best of any fighter in my opinion,
and his career from the time he fought augustus in 2000 has been the best opposition
OF ANY FIGHTER. I DID say 2-3 years so INCLUDE the Castillo fights if you are going
to be "strict" about that but go back to the augustus fight and show me a fighter
that has fought better competition. Good luck

Yet again, you harp on about Hatton's record.
Nobody else is.
Why bring it up ?
Oh yeah, it's to deflect attention from

floyd has fought and beaten the BEST competition of ANY fighter over the past 2-3 years and he keeps striving for the best

No he hasn't !
I know it, you know it and everyone reading this knows it.
Especially when you tried to back out of it by saying

I said 2-3, I'll say 3-4

and now you're going back to 2000 !
Well, I'll stick to the point made (unlike you).
The second Castillo fight was the ONLY A-class fight Mayweather has had in the last 2-3 years and that was exactly 3 years ago.
Since then - Victoriano Sosa
Phillip N'dou
Corley
Henry Brusseles
Gatti
Mitchell

What you keep failing to mention, is that Mayweather's reputation is based on what he did in the Super-feather division (very impressive), a division he hasn't fought in for over FOUR years.
His body of work in the lightweight division was far from scintillating and as for light-welter... we've gone over that.

You mare making it out that EVERY SINGLE PERSON thought PBF would win...

You'll always have the few who like to be different just for the sake of it.
But in reality anybody who knows their boxing knew it was going to be one-way traffic.
It was a predictable and sad affair.

Do you know that HATTON is trying to set a fight up against GATTI??? LOL... So realise that EVERYTHIGN you say about PBF
fighting Gatti, you are also saying about HATTON (x2) because Hatton is going to be fighting Gatti next! LOL, I love it!

If Hatton did fight Gatti next, I would be disappointed as it proves nothing.

However, have you seen the contracts ?
Do you have inside knowledge the rest of us haven't ?
You said Zab Judah and Floyd would be next.
Judah's next fight is early in the new year and it ain't against Mayweather.

You've a lot to learn about 'proposed' fights and people 'calling out' others.

Mayweather has at various times been lined up to fight Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Kostya Tsyzu, Zab Judah, etc. etc.
What happened ?
There's only one common denominator.

As for Gatti's chin, have YOU ever seen any of his fights before the Mickey Ward ones ? I could lend you some - if I trusted you.
I don't like putting the man down as he's a very genuine guy with a huge heart, but Ward is NOT a huge puncher and barely a B-class fighter.

Happy Christmas.

Big Ears

Just have to point another small thing out again . Judah has to fight a mandatory next (against Baldomir) on the Jean Marc Mormeck V O'Neil Bell card .

Should he win that the fight with Mayweather is planned to happen , but of course if Floyd insists he wants a 60/40 split in his favour (against an undisputed champion that's just crazy) the fight won't happen .

EPO_MAN

Kostya Tszyu baby!!
he might have lost to hatton but the record speaks....he'll be back although i think at 147 not 140


anyway hatton is great and we'll see in teh next few years if he is a legend - i think he will be...but we'll see

Big Ears

Big Ears wrote:

Should he win that the fight with Mayweather is planned to happen , but of course if Floyd insists he wants a 60/40 split in his favour (against an undisputed champion that's just crazy) the fight won't happen .

Turns out I was wrong , the fight is going ahead and Floyd has an even bigger split of the money .

akindoc

megadodge wrote:

5. Mitchell gets ABSOLUTELY HAMMERED by Tsyzu.
6. Mayweather fights Mitchell !!!!!
7. Akindoc says
8. I say LOL, LOL, LOL I couldn't agree more LOL, LOL, LOL.



I agree, but... you suggested it with the following.



Can't wait to see what evasive action you resort to in order to get out of this one.
A flat out lie ?
An 'I didn't mean that' ?
An 'I said that then but now I say this' ? Shades of Bob Arum there !!



Wahay, ANOTHER prediction I missed !
Unless of course 'quickly' means 5-6 rounds.
If that's the case I wonder what 1 round would be ?



The more you post the greener you look.
And I'm pretty certain you're smoking grass half the time.



Yet again, you harp on about Hatton's record.
Nobody else is.
Why bring it up ?
Oh yeah, it's to deflect attention from
No he hasn't !
I know it, you know it and everyone reading this knows it.
Especially when you tried to back out of it by saying and now you're going back to 2000 !
Well, I'll stick to the point made (unlike you).
The second Castillo fight was the ONLY A-class fight Mayweather has had in the last 2-3 years and that was exactly 3 years ago.
Since then - Victoriano Sosa
Phillip N'dou
Corley
Henry Brusseles
Gatti
Mitchell

What you keep failing to mention, is that Mayweather's reputation is based on what he did in the Super-feather division (very impressive), a division he hasn't fought in for over FOUR years.
His body of work in the lightweight division was far from scintillating and as for light-welter... we've gone over that.


You'll always have the few who like to be different just for the sake of it.
But in reality anybody who knows their boxing knew it was going to be one-way traffic.
It was a predictable and sad affair.



If Hatton did fight Gatti next, I would be disappointed as it proves nothing.

However, have you seen the contracts ?
Do you have inside knowledge the rest of us haven't ?
You said Zab Judah and Floyd would be next.
Judah's next fight is early in the new year and it ain't against Mayweather.

You've a lot to learn about 'proposed' fights and people 'calling out' others.

Mayweather has at various times been lined up to fight Winky Wright, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya, Kostya Tsyzu, Zab Judah, etc. etc.
What happened ?
There's only one common denominator.

As for Gatti's chin, have YOU ever seen any of his fights before the Mickey Ward ones ? I could lend you some - if I trusted you.
I don't like putting the man down as he's a very genuine guy with a huge heart, but Ward is NOT a huge puncher and barely a B-class fighter.

Happy Christmas.

There's more to life than posting long replies on msg boards and I don't particularly have the time for it so I'll make it swift.

1. Mitchell WAS a good opponent. PBF's first fight at 147 and a former champion at 140. A long reigning champion who was again dominated and KO'd by Floyd. He was thought of as the heir to the throne and MANY picked him to beat Tszyu, don't forget. I think Mitchell would beat Hatton. One loss against Tszyu doesn't make him a laughing stock or a bad opponent. Styles make fights. if that's the case, then Myaweather should also be ridiculed for fighting Judah, who was KO'd by Tszyu QUICKER than Mitchell has been.

2. If I have a lot to learn about proposed fights, how come the FIGHT IS HAPPENING?? PBF and Judah is happening whether you like it or not. provided that Judah wins his next fight. So I think you have a problem and need to learn about proposed fights. You aren't knowledgable to look back on Judah's record and see the money he took against SPINKS. He doesn't care, that's why the PBF fight will be made.

3. Again, I don't have time to go over PBF record, look through my past posts. I will also add that he has THE BEST record of any active fighter today over the past 4-5 years IMO.

4. Mayweathers next fight = Judah. hatton's next fight = Gatti.

Enough said.

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Turns out I was wrong , the fight is going ahead and Floyd has an even bigger split of the money .

which is why I didn't respond to your poor comment.

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

which is why I didn't respond to your poor comment.

Poor coment my ass , most people are shocked with the current split seeing Judah is the champion and all . It's not like Mayweather is much of a draw , but then again Judah is an even worse draw , but together they will easily sell out a venue. I would have thought 50/50 would have been fair .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Poor coment my ass , most people are shocked with the current split seeing Judah is the champion and all . It's not like Mayweather is much of a draw , but then again Judah is an even worse draw , but together they will easily sell out a venue. I would have thought 50/50 would have been fair .

it was poor because you weren't smart enough to realize that Judah will take the chance to fight the best pound for pound fighter at any cost. Do you know what the split was for him vs Spinks? Nobody is "shocked". Think again before you make silly comments, "the fight will definately not happen". lol

Mayweather isn't a draw?

he got more money fighting Bruseles than Hatton got for fighting tszyu!

he is guaranteed 3 million a fight and he is going to get more money fighting Judah than Hatton has got IN HIS WHOLE CAREER.

Weird how a guy who isn't a draw can get so much money huh?

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

it was poor because you weren't smart enough to realize that Judah will take the chance to fight the best pound for pound fighter at any cost. Do you know what the split was for him vs Spinks? Nobody is "shocked". Think again before you make silly comments, "the fight will definately not happen". lol

Mayweather isn't a draw?

he got more money fighting Bruseles than Hatton got for fighting tszyu!

he is guaranteed 3 million a fight and he is going to get more money fighting Judah than Hatton has got IN HIS WHOLE CAREER.

Weird how a guy who isn't a draw can get so much money huh?

It is isn't it , maybe you should ask HBO why they pay fighters like Mayweather and RJJ so much when they're not a draw because that's where the huge amount of money is coming from . HBO used to lose money on RJJ fights .

I am aware Judah got only $100,000 to rematch Spinks , but to get his revenge on Spinks and win the undisputed Welterweight title he'd have nearly faught for free .

A huge amount of journalists thought the fight would be unrealistic to happen unless Judah got a even split . But my comment was made assuming all the titles were on the line (bar the WBO which Margarito obviously has) , Judah has settled for a lower split partially because only his WBC title is on the line(why does Floyd have an obsession with the WBC , it's not like they are any better than the IBF or WBA) and he will still keep his WBA and IBF titles win or lose . The other part is to do with him still making massive money despite the lower split .

Big Ears

Makes no difference now anyway , Judah's gone and ****ed up by losing to Baldomir . I wonder will Mayweather now go after a fight with Baldomir or drop back down to 140 or maybe up to 154 :eek: .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Makes no difference now anyway , Judah's gone and ****ed up by losing to Baldomir . I wonder will Mayweather now go after a fight with Baldomir or drop back down to 140 or maybe up to 154 :eek: .

Judah really is a complete idiot. He's beaten guys better than Boldomir way easy before. I just watched the fight. he controlled it until he got hurt in the 7th round. he just threw away the biggest purse of his career against floyd. Well, i DID say that fight would happen if Judah won and it was in the bag but Zab couldn't deliver. I really hope PBF fights Witter next, since branco seems lined up for a Cotto fight. I think Witter is the only guy at 140 who could actually beat Floyd.

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

I think Witter is the only guy at 140 who could actually beat Floyd.

The **** he could , Witter is already past his prime and his stamina is gone after the fifth round . He's still a decent fighter but not the fighter he used to be .

rrrrr

Big Ears wrote:

The **** he could , Witter is already past his prime and his stamina is gone after the fifth round . He's still a decent fighter but not the fighter he used to be .

witter is a good fighter

Big Ears

rrrrr wrote:

witter is a good fighter

Yes he is , I don't see how that has any relevance to my post .