Opetron 150 or Athlon 64x2 3800+

angry_fox

Which one is better, im currently building a new pc but I dont know which processor to get. Will mainly be using the pc for gaming and graphic design. Can anyone else think of a better one for around €400

commited

Neither - get the Opteron 165 http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=313936&cks=PRL

angry_fox

commited wrote:

Neither - get the Opteron 165 http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=313936&cks=PRL

What could the Opetron 165 be overclocked to?

Cuddlesworth

2.2 or 2.4. If you are lucky 2.6 on stock volts

freekhead

id go for the 246 and then geyt a dual motherboard but jus buy one processor for now

if your into graphics editing the extra processor will help out alot

hairball

you gonna be playing games and processing you graphics at the same time???

masteroftherealm

freekhead wrote:

id go for the 246 and then geyt a dual motherboard but jus buy one processor for now

if your into graphics editing the extra processor will help out alot

Thats firstly massive overkill and an absolute waste of money ans your buying into an already phased out socket 940 and you have the disadvantage of no overclocking and the extrs money of registered ram and the price of a dualy motherboard

commited

Exactly. Go with the 165 as said abovel Dual processors are unnecessary for what the OP needs

Col_Loki

Yea the 165 is the best option, and the opterons are overclocking much better than the AMD64's from what ive been reading. Possible 2.4ghz-3ghz.... which is crazy, all depends on stepping and luck.

freekhead

masteroftherealm wrote:

Thats firstly massive overkill and an absolute waste of money ans your buying into an already phased out socket 940 and you have the disadvantage of no overclocking and the extrs money of registered ram and the price of a dualy motherboard

woops i forgot about him mentioning he want to game with the machine also... so 246 is a no go for a machine for your needs...


... w00t someone said the AMD64 aka 939 dont overclock??? iv got mine at 3.2 atm with default vcore


anyway angry_fox can you give us a price margin your wishing to spen on your system??

masteroftherealm

freekhead wrote:

woops i forgot about him mentioning he want to game with the machine also... so 246 is a no go for a machine for your needs...


... w00t someone said the AMD64 aka 939 dont overclock??? iv got mine at 3.2 atm with default vcore


anyway angry_fox can you give us a price margin your wishing to spen on your system??

No ts not that MAD64's dont OC its more that the opterOWN's OC better. For example an Opty144 will cost bout 160euro and will clock to the speed of your FX55 which cost bout 999?? And has the same core and cache i.e is the same processor(",)

freekhead

thats good cause iv jus bought:

AMD opteron 246 x 2
Tyan dual Mobo
WD Sata 36gb Hd x 2
1gb pc3200 ram x 4


will be nice to oc these and watch them rip vids in no time


its tough having nice rigs to play around with cause u get alota stick from jelus foke(",)

masteroftherealm

Nice but Im not sure you'll get good OC's on them man. Were talking about s939 opterowns.

freekhead

tis a dualey for a server im building so not looking at hitting the roof with oc'ing it jus maby 200-300 mhz

hey did u know the 939 chip opteron out at the moment are just a cross over from the 940 socket with no difference at all but only to the pin make up

the only difference between 939 and 940 opterons is that an additional pin allows to build multi-CPU systems. ECC registering has nothing to do with socket either, its all about architecture.

masteroftherealm

Kinda. The word on the street is that the current S939 opterons are the old overflow batches of FXseries chips from the factory underclocked. Hence the overclocking ability in the etreme

commited

Yup - all san diego cores apparently. I hope they continue that way - I'm trying to justify a new pc!

freekhead

masteroftherealm wrote:

Kinda. The word on the street is that the current S939 opterons are the old overflow batches of FXseries chips from the factory underclocked. Hence the overclocking ability in the etreme

but the word from amd themselves was the fx series chips spawned from making super quality die's from their opteron chips

so infact the fx chip is an opteron die as the superior silicone was used for the server market where the real money is for amd....

masteroftherealm

Ah that may have been the case originally but the erformance market is where AMD have the market share and where theie concentrating.

Col_Loki

Tyan dual Mobo
WD Sata 36gb Hd x 2
1gb pc3200 ram x 4


will be nice to oc these and watch them rip vids in no time

Tyan motherboards and overclocking dont generally work too well, have they got overclocking features these days?

And are opterons overclocking in dual format by anything decent? When i was looking into it, it was pretty much a no go.... with crappy results (havent been around much over the last 6months)

freekhead

its a server im building not going to be overclocking this one

Laguna

masteroftherealm wrote:

Kinda. The word on the street is that the current S939 opterons are the old overflow batches of FXseries chips from the factory underclocked. Hence the overclocking ability in the etreme

Yep, that'd be about right. Underclocked to begin with, hence why they can 'overclock' back up to the speed they were originally built for!

angry_fox

freekhead wrote:

anyway angry_fox can you give us a price margin your wishing to spen on your system??

This is the pc that i am planning to build. Changed to the opertron 165. Is it ok to use with this system?

commited

Creative Inspire T3030
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB SATA 16MB 7200RPM NCQ
AMD Opteron 165, 1.8GHz, Socket 939, 2MB, BOXED w/fan
Gainward GeForce 7800GT 256MB GDDR3, PCI-Express,"U/3400PCX XP ViVo Golden S"
Hiper PSU ATX 580W Black, Type-R, HPU-4K580 Dual Fan, Silent,SLI, 20/24pin
Thermaltake Armor Silver, Aluminium Super tower (Without PSU)
DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-D, nForce4 SLI, Socket-939, S-ATA,GbLAN,Fw,DDR,PCI-EX16
NEC DVD±RW burner, ND-3550A, 16x, Dual, Black OEM
Corsair TWINX1024-4400C25 DDR-DIMM 1024M Kit w/two matched CMX512-4400 CL2.5 DIMM
Total: 1669.02

Your Memory wasnt really a match for the rest of your system! Also the DFI Lan party is a better board. You can save yourself a bit of cash if you dont want/need DFI. Also, consider the WD drive instead of the Maxtor.

Laguna

!!! 170 euro for a PC case!, you must have more money than sense mate!

commited

yeah the money would deffo be better spent on a better graphics card or more ram

Laguna

Also, isn't the 580w PSU overkill?

angry_fox

Been saving up for ages to get this pc, planning to add another GeForce 7800GT graphics card in the future and more ram

Think the case looks cool, thats why im getting it. Going to change the power supply unit to a Cooler Master Real Power 450W.

freekhead

jessssss i dont understand why ppl use the word OVERKILL


your spec looks fine and the asus mobo is a great buy nice overclocker to

but maby look at better ram as cas 3 is not the best u know... why get all that nice stuff and get crap ram, will only cost u 30 or so more for some good ram...


also consider getting 2 sticks of 512 each

Mutant_Fruit

I could have sworn i heard someone saying either that coolermaster PSU's were bad, or they were extremely noisy. Either way, they weren't recommended.

Wouldn't an Antec 480Watt be a good choice for yourself. They're generally quite stable. Fine, its €40 more expensive, but i've only ever heard good things about it.

angry_fox

freekhead wrote:

jessssss i dont understand why ppl use the word OVERKILL


your spec looks fine and the asus mobo is a great buy nice overclocker to

but maby look at better ram as cas 3 is not the best u know... why get all that nice stuff and get crap ram, will only cost u 30 or so more for some good ram...


also consider getting 2 sticks of 512 each

What kind of ram do you recommend?

commited

If you want to clock well the PC4400 I specced above is pretty good but quite expensive. I'd avoid Coolermaster PSU's. Dont skimp on anything else if you're spending €170 on a case.

freekhead

could be outa your price range:
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=307623&cks=PRL

alot better than what you have chosen:
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=302393&cks=PRL

angry_fox

freekhead wrote:

could be outa your price range:
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=307623&cks=PRL

alot better than what you have chosen:
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=302393&cks=PRL

ILL go with the Corsair TWINX Xpert 3200C2. Price has just gone up above €1700 but sure have no girlfriend this christmas so i might as well spend the money on me

freekhead

some ppl here will call u crazy spending any money on parts for pc's but dont mind them... their jus tight fisted:P


170 for a case is a bit much but i personaly know that case and its a great case and you can have it for many rigs to come (waiting for someone to say wot about btx:P)

Laguna

freekhead wrote:

some ppl here will call u crazy spending any money on parts for pc's but dont mind them... their jus tight fisted:P

That's a bit unfair , I'm all into spending big money on quality components, but..... €170 on a case?.. I don't know about yourself but I'd rather spend €80 on an Antec case with a built in PSU of 380w and put the extra 100 notes into a better processor or graphics card!
(Antec cases with built in PSU's are notoriously reliable before anyone starts to slate cases with generic built in PSU's!, I had one for years and it was perfect, it'll be what I buy again next time too)

Rollo Tamasi

freekhead wrote:

170 for a case is a bit much but i personaly know that case and its a great case and you can have it for many rigs to come (waiting for someone to say wot about btx:P)

what about btx?





(i dont even know what btx is...........enlighten me!)

Laguna

Educated guess... I'd guess that btx is the form factor for motherboards to succeed atx?...

Atlas_IRL

i was goin to purchase a 3500+ upgrade off komplett in december/january but after jesus its great informed me and i scrolled through a few posts here the opteron sounds like much better value for money..

i had originally selected this( was goin to check here if all the parts were compatable first)

* Upgrade Kit AMD Athlon 64 3500+,nForce4, 1024MB, PCI-Express
* Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GBIDE ATA/133 16MB 7200RPM
* Steelpad Aluminium 4SMouse mat
* Logitech MX518 Optical Mouse,USB, PS/2
* Antec Sonata II Miditower, Blackw/450W PSU
* Creative SB Audigy 4 PCI, 7.1,EAX4.0, Dolby Digital EX, Bulk


will be used mainly for games..

So if i got the opteron 146 instead of the 3200(same price) i could rape the speed up to 2.4-2.6? which would save time on further upgrades for longer..

What is the best valued overclocking motherboard for this?

I read the post of the ram so 2 * 512mb ram pc 4200 should do it..

or i already have 1 gig unregistered pc3200 which is coming up as 512mb maybe couse my motherboard is really old i dont know.. is more 3200 better?

http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/pc/3410.htm pc i have at the moment)


I want to build a new one for about 7-800 euro is this too skimpy or should i splash more..

Is that hard drive ok?

sorry if this sounds confusing

-Atlas

Laguna

Can someone actually tell me...

if you're overclocking the Opteron to 2.8gHz, do you need some serious water cooling or whatever, because practically doubling its speed is sure to make it overheat to the core temperature of the sun (or nearabouts :rolleyes:)

freekhead

yes having water would be the way to go to get best speeds but you could do it with air also

have a look at termalright heatsinks as they are the best around for aircooling


350Watt psu?? hope u dont wana run sli and beef up your corev and overclock with a 350w

best mobos around are either from asus or dfi although if you can get good modded bios you can make any board overclock to the extreme

ppl said the msi diamond wasnt a good overclocker but iv got 3.6ghz outa my chip and the only thing holding the fx55 bqack now is more vcore

masteroftherealm

DFI DFI DFI DFI DFI only motheboard to be considered if your overclocing.
And @Laguna get an XP90 with a delta fan for your opty and you'll hit 2.6-2.7easy.

Cuddlesworth

freekhead wrote:

yes having water would be the way to go to get best speeds but you could do it with air also

have a look at termalright heatsinks as they are the best around for aircooling


350Watt psu?? hope u dont wana run sli and beef up your corev and overclock with a 350w

best mobos around are either from asus or dfi although if you can get good modded bios you can make any board overclock to the extreme

ppl said the msi diamond wasnt a good overclocker but iv got 3.6ghz outa my chip and the only thing holding the fx55 bqack now is more vcore

3.6ghz on water?

And wasnt there a big deal about maxtor drives corrupting large file transfers on nf-4 boards

freekhead

krazy_8s wrote:

3.6ghz on water?

And wasnt there a big deal about maxtor drives corrupting large file transfers on nf-4 boards

Iv done my final year thesis on intelligently cooling an overclocked computer:D and have been overclocking since the p1 days, so getting any system to its absolute limits is not a stressful process for me, also having a large rad helps in the process


dont know about nf4 mobos corrupting files on maxtor's anyway they arent very reliable HD to begin with

commited

Ah yes.. p1 clocking.. ph34r my P1 166@233 :P

Laguna

commited wrote:

Ah yes.. p1 clocking.. ph34r my P1 166@233 :P

LOL, whilst what you're saying is funny, getting a P1-166 to run at P1-233 is bloody impressive!, a fifty percent increase!

freekhead

masteroftherealm wrote:

Ah that may have been the case originally but the erformance market is where AMD have the market share and where theie concentrating.

do u know the market share for of a processor for the pc market is around 5%of total income to AMD

do u know that 95% of AMD's consentration is develved into embedded systems

they couldnt give a rats ass bout the pc market, they jus throw us their scraps

masteroftherealm

TBH I would disagree.

Laguna

So would I, I don't believe for a minute that AMD "Doesn't give a rats ass about the PC market", I believe they do, very much so and are trying their best to pull the rug from under Intel. Look at the leaps in performance of processors in the last two years alone, the mainstream 64-bit processors, dual cores, the FX-57! etc, all from a company that "Doesn't give a rats ass about the PC market", I don't think so..

commited

They have more of a dominance in the retail market than intel now i believe