San Shou

Millionaire

Been googling San Shou.

What exactly is it?

Is it the same as thai?


Do people in ireland do it, compete in it?

Do thai fighters cross over into San Shou and vice versa?


Thanks

G

RedRaven

Millionaire wrote:

Been googling San Shou.

What exactly is it?

Is it the same as thai?


Do people in ireland do it, compete in it?

Do thai fighters cross over into San Shou and vice versa?


Thanks

G

San shou....I know it was very popular in the former soviet states because of the chinese communism connection...years ago a guy from Romania named Edwardo came down to the club and asked if we would like to compete in a San Shou vs. Thai show in the point depo...only under modified rules i.e. no elbows or knees allowed, (in which case it wouldnt be Thai)...He wouldnt compromise on this so Lets say it didnt work out!!;) And PaddyC didnt like the guys Nokia phone either!!!;)

Issus

San Shou to the best of my knowledge is a Chinese form of kickboxing that allows throws and standing submissions. There are no ground techniques. It is similar to Shootboxing in Japan but older. Muay Thay and San Shou have similar striking techniques. The fighters wear the standard 12oz gloves that you see in other striking MAs. The top fighter is Lee Cung from America ( I think that's his name). It's not as popular as Muay Thai but has a good following.

Muay Thai and San Shou fighters do compete in cross-over fights. There have been numerous Thai vs China events held. As far as I know Thailand is winning in the final tally. But overall it's not a bad fighting style from what I've seen.

That's about all I have to say atm as I'm off to bed. Hope that helps?

Cousin it

As far as i know, San Shou is a Chinese Kickboxing/wrestling hybrid. The Shaolin Monks train it and it's pretty hardcore.
I also heard somewhere that it will be China's sport of choice at the 2008 Olympics, could be wrong though

Niall Keane

Millionaire asked:
What exactly is san shou?

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/SanShouRules.htm

above a link to the ikf and their rules, the rules vary from organisation to organisation, and then there are a few hybrid comps or individuals who put on their own competitions, san shou uk while they existed (ran by a Galway girl - Barbra) for example used pro rules and allowed both elbows and knees, though no elbows to the face. The main organisations at the moment are IWUF, IKF and IMAF. What has held back the more widespread appeal of san shou / san da in my opinion is all the political bull**** between these organisations, ironically most of the officiados have never fought. (Full contact fighting was illegal in mainland China until the 80's, so san shou only existed then in Taiwan and Hong Kong). Take next week, both the IWUF (China) and IMAF (Taiwan) are holding their world championships!

"Do people from Ireland compete?"

A few of us from Practical Tai Chi Chuan Ireland have competed internationally in both san shou - amateur and san da - pro. I know that lads from White Mountain Bagua have also fought abroad and I've heard that a Choy li fut school in town also compete in san shou.

Here's a link to a class I run in Churchtown:

http://www.freewebs.com/sanshou

All the best,
Niall

loz

Lovely Side kick at the end of this

Linky

Tim_Murphy

the IWUF (China) and IMAF (Taiwan) are holding their world championships

:rolleyes: Is there any fecking martial art that doesn't involve that kind of stuff??

vasch_ro

some one told me that paul morans group in newpark kung Fu school blackrock are also doing san shou/san da on saturdays.

Niall Keane

http://media.putfile.com/Tai-Chi-San-Shou

MaxBax

i've always considered san shou the much friendlier and more fun cousin of muay thai.

Niall Keane

Well there's certainly a relationship, in much of mainland Europe especially the eastern block, its the same people who compete in both styles, don't know about friendlier, last comp I was at there was a delay between nearly every fight to mop the blood off the lei tai. Then you got that whole meter-high-no-ropes-platform thing!

MaxBax

niall that video you linked really put me off san shou. it reminded me of the snowman video - we're wlaking in the air.

Niall Keane

guess that would be the Dead Kennedys tune?:)

Niall Keane

www.sanshou.com/footage/2003clip.html

http://users.skynet.be/fa113374/sanda.html

Here's a few more for ya!

fianna.5u.com

I fought San SHou in China. THe rules were the same as thai, elbows and knees etc. With some clinch (but if you followed the person the the floor it was a no score (which I know is the worst rule ever)). It is contested on a Li thai (spelling) which is like a boxing ring with no ropes only usually much larger.

CHeck out Cung Li.

Did you look up wikipedia?

Peace

Roper

Looks good.

Whats your take on the Dim Mak stuff Niall? I'd be interested to hear your slant on it.

Niall Keane

About the dim mak, I'll just paste this in its from our wudang sanshou dublin site:

"San Shous 4 characteristics compose of:

Die Pu: Striking (kicks, punches, elbows, Knees etc.)

Shuai Jaoi: Throwing / Wrestling

Chin Na: (Seize / Hold) Joint Locks, grips and twists etc.

Dim Mak: 'Spotting' Point / Pressure Strikes, Regardless of popular belief this is not about crouching tiger/ hidden ropes, nor does it simply involve striking. It more correctly refers to targeting and the application of pressure to areas that enhance the effect of techniques. These targets should not be 'out of the way' but natural and efficient. This pressure need not be applied by the fingers nor even the arms, get the idea?"

http://www.freewebs.com/sanshou

paul moran

Hey Vash_co

some one told me that paul morans group in newpark kung Fu school blackrock are also doing san shou/san da on saturdays

We teach striking, chin Na and wrestling but have never trained for competition so would have to bow to other coaches experience in this area.

I wish I had the time to run a San Shou class. Maybe when I'm lucky enough to get a full-time studio, I could then have to source an experienced San Da coach to run the classes or at least to get us started!

If there was a local San Shou competition and more communication between Kung Fu schools I'm sure we would get involved at that level!

Anyone interested in an open mat/seminar/meet and greet for those interested in Sanda. I would be willing to host it during the quiet summer period (Saturday 12 - 6)! I only have 30 mats a small number of shin pads,gloves, headgear etc but we could start small and maybe people could bring their own gear too.

Who's interested in breaking down the barriers??? (Invisible and insubstantial as they may be;-)

Paul

Roper

I'd be into that Paul, but I ain't king fu!

Niall Keane

Sounds cool Paul, my crew would be interested. Need any help mail me at sanshou.eire@gmail.com.

Roper you don't have to be kung fu or any particular style to enter san shou / san da except in the crap competitions. IWUF look the other way, and IMAF & IKF don't care at all, outside of these three there really is no structure, i.e any tool can go along and enter many a so-called european/world without any qualifers. Although these competitions are good for first time fighters, as the standard isn't that good, so experience can be aquired safely enough.

Niall

Roper

Niall,
Basically I'm interested in anything where I get to spar in a full contact type format with good partners. I'm lacking partners at the moment unfortunately. When I say full contact I mean anything that's not semi-contact, I'm not putting the hard man act on!!!
I like the look of the clips above by the by. Looks like a good sport. It will be interesting to see how the Olympic thing goes as I believe amateur Muay Thai is banging on the door too. First on the list to kick out is Olympic Taekwondo apparently.

Cheers,
Barry

Niall Keane

Roper,
cool man, nice attitude. You probably gather from my posts that I love the auld san shou, sustaining a crew of good sparing partners is always a bitch, what with modern life and all that, feel free to drop down anytime, we're likewise just a bunch of lads who love our martial arts and try to do our best.

Don't hold out for Bejing san shou won't be part of it, wushu forms will, it'll probably add another nail in the coffin of CMA in peoples minds. The reason, politics, bejing wants to push the forms which its universities know, Xian the san shou where the traditional teachers exist (kinda the opposite of the west TMA seen as hardcore and the modern wushu as flowery), bejiing has convinced the IWUF that san shou is too dangerous (refering back to that 1929 national competition and all that) and that it might be a disgrace for the Chinese Government if people got seriously injured. The truth as I see it is that the coach of Lui Hai Long and many of the top San DA athletes is a traditional Hsing I practitioner who calls it how it is with regard to how combat inefficient Bejings triple backflips and splits routines are. Maybe the (in my opinion) guaranteed negative feedback from the combat world and probably from the public in general (after all how many form demos can a person sit through?) might give the officials a good kick in the arse and but combat orientated San Shou / San Da at the top of the Kung Fu agenda?