Cashmaster

finnpark

Hi All,

Wonder did anyone out there ever try Cashmaster betting software. You can run it on your PC while you are at work and places the bets in such a way that you are guaranteed a profit at the end of each day. What I would like to know is what kind of betting bank are you talking about to make £100 per day? I am intrigued by the system.

(http://www.gold-software.com/download9516.html)

aw

That would seem a bit doubtful wouldn't it?
If it were that easy to do surely everyone would be at it.

But if it works I'd love to use it too!

finnpark

First of all, just found out it doesn't place the bets for you, it only works out what bets to place and how much to place.

As I know the system I won't therefore be purchasing it:D - I will paper bet for the rest of 2005 and see how I get on.

Everyone that knows the existamce of it uses it I think. But what happens is that people get too greedy and lose evrything. People try to make a few hundred a day on it and it really is not designed for that amount although it is possible to win as much as you want.

I will let you know how I get on. There is no need for the software once you know the system.;) Its easy cash - you get all sorts amking a fortune from racing without having a clue what a horse looks like. It is not very sporting.

retenzo

well spill the beans on this "system". post ur theory or the method behind the system up id love to read it....

finnpark

Let me think about it - I would like to see how I get on 1st.

Regardless of how I get on I will give you the system - remind me if I haven't given it to you by Christmas.

I don't like handing out such a system in case people get carried away and lose their house.

I did hear of a guy in Belfast who did lose his house but I don't beleive the story - I just think he was an addictive gambler.

If anyone guesses what the system is then I will answer yes or no to whether they are right or not. I will let you know how I get on.

masterK

It sounds like a trading system where when a horse gets backed on Betfair suddenly that if you are quick you will be able to back it at bigger odds with a bookmakers and then lay it off on Betfair. This situation probably occurs a few times a day.

The other guess it that it is just some sort of staking plan where you eventually have to win.

To be honest, if these so called systems were any good you would never find anybody trying to sell them to others as the would want to keep it to themselves. I'd wouldn't even consider something like this.

finnpark

(1) No - although I have done this often. It does happen but you need to hit it hard to make a profit.

(2) Yes, more or less. Pick no odds on shots and make sure you get a winner after every 3-5 bets which is not that hard if you pick evens favs in maidens and novice races. I stay away from handicaps and AW tracks and only pick favourites where there is little competion. You know the liability Im sure but it has been working fine for a long time now for me - especially betting frame by frame on the snooker eg will stephen hendry ever go 5-0 down against a weaker opponent. Exactly its guaranteed money.

finnpark

masterK wrote:

It sounds like a trading system where when a horse gets backed on Betfair suddenly that if you are quick you will be able to back it at bigger odds with a bookmakers and then lay it off on Betfair. This situation probably occurs a few times a day.

The other guess it that it is just some sort of staking plan where you eventually have to win.

To be honest, if these so called systems were any good you would never find anybody trying to sell them to others as the would want to keep it to themselves. I'd wouldn't even consider something like this.

Thats what I said, although it works on paper for me for a long time. It is risky alright but if you have half a brain then you will be able to cut out long losing runs easily.

masterK

There are many variations on this that people use, the most common being the doubling up system with the theory being that you double your stake after every loser and sooner or later you have to have a winner. You need a lot of patience with these systems and a decent sized betting bank to compensate for poor runs.

finnpark

Yes you can apply the general theory in many ways and apply it to any repetive sporting event.

I also do the system on football - When Man Utd go 3 games within a win I start the system. They never go 5 or 6 within a win really and I always make my money 1st or 2nd time around.

FTSE100 is always good for the system - you can bet higher/lower although I cannot find long term records anywhere for FTSE100 opening and closing levels.

I will let you all know how I get on.

For those of you who still don't understand the sytem I will Give you an example:


Horse 1: Evens Stake: £100 Lost:mad:
Horse 2: Evens Stake: £200 Lost:mad:
Horse 3: Evens Stake: £400 Lost:mad:
Hosre 4: Evens Stake: £800 WON:D

Total Profit: +£100. ie you keep making up for previous loses + profit for every horse you back - dangerous:eek: but true;) .

Crumbs

The Martingale System. Meh.

finnpark

Yes,

It is the MartinGale sytem but I thought of it myself before anyone mentioned it to me. Im sure loads of people thought of this sytem but the problem is most don't have a clue about racing and end up losing evrything. If you have a strong knowledge of a sport it works fine - even with soccer.

pro_gnostic_8

It's suicidal!!!
I'm not trying to be argumentative with you or anything .............. just that I would strongly urge you to disown any ideas of this method being a profitable exercise in the long term.

On average, 37% of races are won by the favourite. A mathematical examination using this figure will show that a losing run when it hits (and it most definitely will) will be much larger and longer lasting than you might think. Last year there was an instance of 49 consecutive losing favourites over three days. I can't be arsed to work out what the final bet on the 50th fav would have been on stakes-doubling, but I would venture that it would be telephone figures.

finnpark

pro_gnostic_8 wrote:

It's suicidal!!!
I'm not trying to be argumentative with you or anything .............. just that I would strongly urge you to disown any ideas of this method being a profitable exercise in the long term.

On average, 37% of races are won by the favourite. A mathematical examination using this figure will show that a losing run when it hits (and it most definitely will) will be much larger and longer lasting than you might think. Last year there was an instance of 49 consecutive losing favourites over three days. I can't be arsed to work out what the final bet on the 50th fav would have been on stakes-doubling, but I would venture that it would be telephone figures.

Well on paper it has been working fine so far for me.

I only do 1 bet per day on the system - 3 or 4 days without a winner is grand. I will set my bank for 10 days without a winner and if I get about 4 loses in a row I start from scratch - I can take the hit. So far my longest losing run has been 2. Not all have been favourites but most have won. It is the human that fails the system , the system will not fail the human. Its about paper testing for a long time and then setting your bank and stakes correctly.

Alternative System:

This system is much more secure, in fact it is excellent (I shouldn't really be giving this out for free).

Anyway this is how it works:
All bets must be at least 2/1.

Horse 1: 1pt
Horse 2: 1pt
Horse 3: 2pt
Horse 4: 3pt
Horse 5: 5pt
Horse 6: 8pt
Horse 7: 13pt
Horse 8: 21pt

You go back to 1pt if you get 8 losers in a row. All bets > 2/1. You may have your doubts about such a system but it works absolutely perfectly. On paper Im on target for £3000+ in a year at just £10 per point. Think about it - will you go 8 bets in a row without a winner 4 times a year?? If the answer is no then you will make a profit from this system.

You would only need a bank of 100pts (worst case scenario) which is £1000 for £10 per point. Anyone with a decent knowledge of horse racing should be backing this way. I advise you all to back this on paper for a few months and see how much your missing out on.

Crumbs

The Fibonacci System. Meh.

finnpark

Crumbs wrote:

The Fibonacci System. Meh.

Seems someone has thought of everything.

It is based on maths system (stats) from school days. It makes perfect mathematical sense.

Would anyone volenteer to post a good chance tip every morning on a thread > 2/1. We will try out this sytem. Someone who thinks they can pick a daily tip >2/1 and will very rarely go 8 losers in a row. Anyone up for the challange?

finnpark

finnpark wrote:

Well on paper it has been working fine so far for me.

Alternative System:

Horse 1: 1pt
Horse 2: 1pt
Horse 3: 2pt
Horse 4: 3pt
Horse 5: 5pt
Horse 6: 8pt
Horse 7: 13pt
Horse 8: 21pt

Just to clarify: In case anyone thinks Im off my head with this system I should point out that you start at 1pt again as soon as you get a winner. You only increase your stake the more losers you get.

retenzo

well finnpark hows it going 4 ya? would ya not do a live test on boards and post up your bets relating to the system?

finnpark

Hi,

Well in the past 3 days I had 2 winners. I got them at about 5/2 and 9/4 and the loser wasn't even placed.

The three selections were all against odds on favourites - 2nd favs in races that the betting would suggest are 2 horse races. I nearly had 3 from 3 - I chose a loser over Rory's Sister yesterday which won at 4/1.

Anyway, I will post a selection each day here. I am only guessing these really - 2nd favs mostly, over 2/1 in maidens and novice races.

I am 100% sure of a losing run of 8 within 1 year but I am also 90% sure of making a profit. Again I stress, my bets are just horses that seem to have decent chances - this will be a big test for the system as I will not be putting any thought into the selections. I suppose thats what its all about - making a profit long term without repling on good choice.

Bets will be 1pt, 1pt, 2pt, 3pt , 5pt, 8pt, 13pt, 21pt and maybe 34pt. Then back to 1pt. I may not go as far as 34pts. If I have a winner before that we start at 1pt again. The 1st 1pt selection can be any price as there is no previous loss.

Lets see how I get on - my selections are only decent guesses so no laughing please.:D This could go pear shaped - lets see.:eek:

finnpark

Hi,

Day 1:

LAntartique at 1.58 in 12.20pm at Kelso 1pt win.

Remember that the very 1st 1pt selection can be any price.

If this does not win tomorrows will be 1pt again but > 2/1.

finnpark

Yesterday wa abandoned so no price needed today.

Kicking King 1pt win at evens.

Overall: +0pts
Longest Losing Run: 0
High accumulated Stake: 0pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 1pt.

finnpark

The Market Man 2.15pm Aintree 1pt win at 2.76.


Overall: -1pts
Longest Losing Run: 1
High accumulated Stake: 1pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 2pt.

finnpark

Chilly Cracker 2pm Southell 2pt win

Overall: -2pts
Longest Losing Run: 2
High accumulated Stake: 2pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 4pt.

Morgans

Finnpark,

The Market Man was a non-runner. Hope you didnt lose money on that one.

finnpark

Cheers Morgans - no, didn't back them as just experimenting.

Today's bet is just 1pt win then at 8/1.

finnpark

Cool Song 3.20pm Warwick 2pt win 8/1.

Overall: -2pts
Longest Losing Run: 2
High accumulated Stake: 2pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 4pt.

kc66

Good call there. Opened at 11/2 and won at 5/1
I tried your method on paper. Won nothing first time round! Won around €160 each of the next 2 times (€10 per point)

finnpark

Hi,

Yes , I got it at 8/1 last night on Betfair. Only doing £5 per pt to see how it goes. I cannot make any guarantees but a good start anyway.

That is +14pts for me or +8pts at SP.

Will try another 1 for tomorrow - back to 1pt.

finnpark

Dafrabad in 1.25 Weitherby 10/11 1pt

Overall: +8pts
Longest Losing Run: 2
High accumulated Stake: 4pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 1pt.

finnpark

3.35 Musselburgh 1pt win My Best Secret 6/1.

I had no selection yesterday.

Overall: +7pts
Longest Losing Run: 2
High accumulated Stake: 4pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 2pt.

finnpark

Baracuda 2.05pm Newbury 2pt 11/4.

Overall: +6pts
Longest Losing Run: 2
High accumulated Stake: 4pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 4pt.

finnpark

Trevino 1.10pm Navan 3pt win 6/4.

Overall: +4pts
Longest Losing Run: 3
High accumulated Stake: 7pts
Current Running Accumulated Stake: 7pt.

finnpark

Hi,

To anyone that has been following my system I will be back tomorrow with a selection.

I was banned for the last week so couldn't post.:mad:

Anyway, I had 3 nice winner last week, one at 10/1 but I will start here again from where I left off.

finnpark

Alderburn 1pm Leicester 1pt win

finnpark

Hi,

No selection yestreday. My last selection won.

At first I thought I wouldn't back these but I just couldn't resist but what Im doing is starting at 0.5pt and cutting off at 13pts (allows for 7 losers in a row).

Today's selection is 0.5pt win 3.15pm Doncaster The Duke's Speech circa 5/1.

finnpark

trance 2.10 southwell 0.5pt

finnpark

Last selection won so still on 0.5pt.

Today's selection is Mounthenry 9/4 Paddypower 12.30 Punchestown. 0.5pt win

finnpark

Last 2 selections won so still on 0.5pt.

Bar Gayne 2.20pm Plumpton

kc66

I must start backing these horses ur going for.

djkeogh

I like the sounds of this system and as long as you don't go on a bender of a losing streak it could be a decent system to win some money. look forward to following your progress.

finnpark

Didn't get a chance today to make a selection.

Even if I do go on a dreaded run it is still more than possible to make a decent profit. All you need is a big priced winner once in a while. Its very unprofessional but I would say its the best way of betting.

I have another system myself also whcih I mentioned on another thread.

I pick a few tipsters nap each day (9 in all). I lay their tip daily for 4 euro stake. Most tipsters are -30pts to -90pts for their daily nap alone. I lay their daily nap and make a killing on betfair. You do get the odd black day when one or two have big winners but overall its impossible almost to make a profit at level stake with a daily bet.

To go even further most paper tipsters are -60pts etc per MONTH for all their selections. So say you pick 6 tipsters and lay each tip they give for £5 then with an average of only -40pts each you will make £1200 per month but you need a big balance in case one of them has a good run etc. But overall no tipster makes a daily profit from selection a tip in every single race, it is impossible to do.

finnpark

Oscar Park 3pm Newbury 0.75pt win

kc66

Its a good idea to lay the tipster's tips. Most tipsters are down around 600pts on average for the year. Couldnt go wrong there.
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/horses/tipster_search.sd (Need to be subscribed)

finnpark

1.25pt win Border Castle 2.40pm Exeter.


0.5pt win Supreme Serenade 1.10pm Exeter.

Yes can't go wrong laying as long as you have a good bank to support a winning start. The key is to select 5 or more tipsters. Yesterday I did a random lay on paper and the 1st one I did won at over 17/1 lay odds. However, the tipsters in the press challange had just 1 winner.

Culchie

finnpark wrote:

1.25pt win Border Castle 2.40pm Exeter.


0.5pt win Supreme Serenade 1.10pm Exeter.

Yes can't go wrong laying as long as you have a good bank to support a winning start. The key is to select 5 or more tipsters. Yesterday I did a random lay on paper and the 1st one I did won at over 17/1 lay odds. However, the tipsters in the press challange had just 1 winner.

I shall be laying Border Castle and Supreme Serenade :eek:
(Just the system you understand)

finnpark

Song of Silence in 1.20pm Southwell 1pt win

finnpark

Harrangay 1.40pm Ludlow 2pt win

djkeogh

Nice call, another win.

finnpark

djkeogh wrote:

Nice call, another win.

Was 3/1 this morning but a N/R put an end to that. I think it would have beaten Glory Be too, it won by 16l.

finnpark

Its Bertie 3.35pm Market Rasen 22/1 0.25pt EW

finnpark

Was 3rd at 20/1:D , as I had it done EW Im putting it down as a 4/1 winner at 0.25pt.:)