native martial arts

randall

hello i am knew here. i had a question i was wondering about.is there such
a thing as irish martial arts? all i see is reference to oriental martial arts
nothing wrong with that but you have a long history . was anything passed
along through the ages? there are amercans and candians who have web
sites claiming to know about irish stick fighting and irish boxing but i dont
know if it is legit. just because its oriental does it have to be better?
bowie knife fighting taken from the euopeans is a very effective method
of knife fighting. la cane is an effective form of defense with a cane
these are not oriental. all i am wondering is have looked out side the box.
i am not very knowlegeable .i just wondered want you thought.

john kavanagh

video of irish martial arts in action

randall

pretty awsome . i would love to see more stuff like that. that would be my
fantasy to see a bare fisted fight on a vacation to ireland.

Millionaire

KAPE IT CLANE BOYS!!!!

Hes heading and biting

Into the baallix!!!!!!!

ha ha

Jaysus.....awesome!!!

Karoma

randall wrote:

pretty awsome . i would love to see more stuff like that. that would be my
fantasy to see a bare fisted fight on a vacation to ireland.

:rolleyes: ...just... :rolleyes:

blondie83

When I was in Irish college one of the sports you could do was called coireacht - translates as Celtic Wrestling I believe! Anyway it seemed to focus on trapping the person and bringing/throwing them down. Kinda like a mixture of Judo and normal wrestling. They seemed to practice tumbles and that as well - was quite entertaining:)

Boru.

Interesting this. In my studeis of both martial arts and early mythologies in college I ended up writing a short dissertation on Celtic Martial Arts and their origins. If you go really far back to Irish history, when gods themselves walked the emerald isles we had among us some pof the greatest warriors the world ever gave birth too. Men such as Cuchullain were trained in professional fighting schools (starngely the best were led by two sisters - unbeatable in battle) here he was trained in various arts such as grapling striking, weapons,horsemanship, strategy etc. None could beat him in the end. (He also had superpowers to boot, like his battle maddness where in some accounts he became such a bloody rage he would turn inside out and sluaghter thousands of men...the more likely scenario is that he disembowled his opponents and wore their intestines striking unimaginable fear into his enemies).

Before that was the time of the Tuatha De Dannan. These were the hero gods of Ireland and they fought three major battles against the evil Fir Blog on a plain called Moy Tura. The warriors were educated not only in all ways of war but in all the arts, poetry, music, medicine. Two of these great warriors were Nuada of the Silver Arm, by far a great swordsman and he even wrestled bear handed the giant demion worm god Crom Cruadh.

Greater than he was, however was, Lu The Ill Dana - a fighter of legend like non other, the Irish Achilles.

In many of the Irish texts their training methods and techniuqes are described and make for fascinating reading.

Finally what may be worth pointing out is that the Tuatha De Dannan arrived to the shores of Eire on Magical Fyling ships. So why is that of intrest? Well in several Greek texts, including works of Homer like the Iliad and the Odessy, the Demy-god greeks, like Achilles were called the Dannanes and sailed on flying ships.

Mythological evidence suggests that the great Greek warriors, who as we all know practiced wrestling and bare knuckle kickboxing may have sailed to Ireland and led their afterlives here....so maybe a good way to learn about anicent Celtic fighting styles is to study those of the anicent Greek eg Pankrateon, from there one can go further back and look and the Egyptian, Carthegian and even older stlyes.

My apologies if this was overly boring, just thought I'd share with you the last vestiages of having too much time on your hands. Apologies for typos spelling and grammer.

Cousin it

blondie83 wrote:

When I was in Irish college one of the sports you could do was called coireacht - translates as Celtic Wrestling I believe! Anyway it seemed to focus on trapping the person and bringing/throwing them down. Kinda like a mixture of Judo and normal wrestling. They seemed to practice tumbles and that as well - was quite entertaining:)

Coraíocht is the Irish for wrestling. Is it really a style in itself?

dlofnep

I also heard of an old irish style of wrestling.

randall

yes it is very interesting. were there any ancient texts or drawings of any
martial arts in ireland? i imagine most people back then were illiterate.
did the english try to suppress irish fighting arts. did boxing come more
from england than ireland?

pma-ire

Boru. wrote:

Interesting this. In my studeis of both martial arts and early mythologies in college I ended up writing a short dissertation on Celtic Martial Arts and their origins. If you go really far back to Irish history, when gods themselves walked the emerald isles we had among us some pof the greatest warriors the world ever gave birth too. Men such as Cuchullain were trained in professional fighting schools (starngely the best were led by two sisters - unbeatable in battle) here he was trained in various arts such as grapling striking, weapons,horsemanship, strategy etc. None could beat him in the end. (He also had superpowers to boot, like his battle maddness where in some accounts he became such a bloody rage he would turn inside out and sluaghter thousands of men...the more likely scenario is that he disembowled his opponents and wore their intestines striking unimaginable fear into his enemies).

Before that was the time of the Tuatha De Dannan. These were the hero gods of Ireland and they fought three major battles against the evil Fir Blog on a plain called Moy Tura. The warriors were educated not only in all ways of war but in all the arts, poetry, music, medicine. Two of these great warriors were Nuada of the Silver Arm, by far a great swordsman and he even wrestled bear handed the giant demion worm god Crom Cruadh.

Greater than he was, however was, Lu The Ill Dana - a fighter of legend like non other, the Irish Achilles.

In many of the Irish texts their training methods and techniuqes are described and make for fascinating reading.

Finally what may be worth pointing out is that the Tuatha De Dannan arrived to the shores of Eire on Magical Fyling ships. So why is that of intrest? Well in several Greek texts, including works of Homer like the Iliad and the Odessy, the Demy-god greeks, like Achilles were called the Dannanes and sailed on flying ships.

Mythological evidence suggests that the great Greek warriors, who as we all know practiced wrestling and bare knuckle kickboxing may have sailed to Ireland and led their afterlives here....so maybe a good way to learn about anicent Celtic fighting styles is to study those of the anicent Greek eg Pankrateon, from there one can go further back and look and the Egyptian, Carthegian and even older stlyes.

My apologies if this was overly boring, just thought I'd share with you the last vestiages of having too much time on your hands. Apologies for typos spelling and grammer.

Not at all! That was quite an intetesting passage!!

pma-ire

randall wrote:

pretty awsome . i would love to see more stuff like that. that would be my
fantasy to see a bare fisted fight on a vacation to ireland.

Come to Cork boy!

Hang around on Pana (St Patrick's Street) in the city centre on a Weekend night and you'll get your wish!!

Alf_Wiggum

Boru. wrote:

Interesting this. In my studeis of both martial arts and early mythologies in college I ended up writing a short dissertation on Celtic Martial Arts and their origins. If you go really far back to Irish history, when gods themselves walked the emerald isles we had among us some pof the greatest warriors the world ever gave birth too. Men such as Cuchullain were trained in professional fighting schools (starngely the best were led by two sisters - unbeatable in battle) here he was trained in various arts such as grapling striking, weapons,horsemanship, strategy etc. None could beat him in the end. (He also had superpowers to boot, like his battle maddness where in some accounts he became such a bloody rage he would turn inside out and sluaghter thousands of men...the more likely scenario is that he disembowled his opponents and wore their intestines striking unimaginable fear into his enemies).

Before that was the time of the Tuatha De Dannan. These were the hero gods of Ireland and they fought three major battles against the evil Fir Blog on a plain called Moy Tura. The warriors were educated not only in all ways of war but in all the arts, poetry, music, medicine. Two of these great warriors were Nuada of the Silver Arm, by far a great swordsman and he even wrestled bear handed the giant demion worm god Crom Cruadh.

Greater than he was, however was, Lu The Ill Dana - a fighter of legend like non other, the Irish Achilles.

In many of the Irish texts their training methods and techniuqes are described and make for fascinating reading.

Finally what may be worth pointing out is that the Tuatha De Dannan arrived to the shores of Eire on Magical Fyling ships. So why is that of intrest? Well in several Greek texts, including works of Homer like the Iliad and the Odessy, the Demy-god greeks, like Achilles were called the Dannanes and sailed on flying ships.

Mythological evidence suggests that the great Greek warriors, who as we all know practiced wrestling and bare knuckle kickboxing may have sailed to Ireland and led their afterlives here....so maybe a good way to learn about anicent Celtic fighting styles is to study those of the anicent Greek eg Pankrateon, from there one can go further back and look and the Egyptian, Carthegian and even older stlyes.

My apologies if this was overly boring, just thought I'd share with you the last vestiages of having too much time on your hands. Apologies for typos spelling and grammer.

interesting. how come there aren't all that many greek mma fighters? considering the wrestling pankretion traditions they have.

pma-ire

blondie83 wrote:

Kinda like a mixture of Judo and normal wrestling.

You may not be far off the mark there!!

I came arcoss a book and websites that tell of Prof. Kano touring Europe studying for his professorship. He is known to have spent time in England and to have taken a liking to Cornish wrestling.

http://ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2000/jwmaart_roberts_0400.htm

The jacket worn by palers of this game is quite similar to the Judo Gi. Which Kano was the first to introduce to martial arts training. Indeed Cornish wrestling is very like Judo stand up.

But the links have never been offically backed up by the Kodokan.

Musashi

I remember hearing somewhere (Swordforums?) that old time Irish were known for wielding two swords in battle, and going berserker with it

I doubt most of the modern stick fighting is accurate though, seems the guy teaching one "family" style is also into Filipino Stick Arts and has used it in his Shillelagh Style?

kenpo_dave

I dont know if anyone else mentioned this, I didnt bother reading all the posts, but theres a group on yahoo called 'bata' and is about Irish Stick Fighting. Might be worth taking a look at.
Heres the link http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bata/

pma-ire

kenpo_dave wrote:

I dont know if anyone else mentioned this, I didnt bother reading all the posts, but theres a group on yahoo called 'bata' and is about Irish Stick Fighting. Might be worth taking a look at.
Heres the link http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/bata/

The post above yours is a reference to them! Load of B0LL0KS!!

blondie83

Cousin it wrote:

Coraíocht is the Irish for wrestling. Is it really a style in itself?

I dunno - they told us it was, but that might not necessarily mean its true! Was a bit of a laugh anyway:)

Alf_Wiggum

I'm a 5th dan in coraíocht. a daná is a cuig.

Cabelo

Some of us don't do Eastern MAs, as far as I know there are a few BJJ kids here.

randall

does anybody know of any family knowledge of stick fighting?there are old
stories of irish fighting with canes. did they have any technigue or did they
just wack at each other?

Alf_Wiggum

there is an ancient irish stick fighting sport called camaniocht. very rough, very dangerous. still practiced today i've heard.

mk sbgn

yes there is an old style of stick fighting its called hurling!!!!:D ha ha