Banning hoodies - breach of freedom?

Kersh

Anyone see the article on the plans to ban ppl from wearing Hoodies in some shopping centres. Apparently its shoplifter appareil....
I think its breaching freedom, any opinions.

Gone West

Dimitri

what defines a "hoody" some old fella in a rain jacket or just the young fellas in those blood awful nike things. I'm pretty sure there not going to ban the former just the latter, in this case they are simply discriminating and will be part of the gradual outcasting of almost all young people in society.

Kersh

Just hoody tops, band ones, sports ones, wonder if Lacoste hoodies count....:rolleyes:

So Glad

FuzzyLogic wrote:

No need for that bit of sarcasm. It's a very valid point.

kaimera

blame the ****ers that use them for alternative reasons than just wearing them.

:v:

Prior Of Taize

who gives a f*ck

:v: :v: :v:

ssh

Kersh wrote:

Anyone see the article on the plans to ban ppl from wearing Hoodies in some shopping centres. Apparently its shoplifter appareil....
I think its breaching freedom, any opinions.

It could be pointed out that you remain free not to go into their shopping centres. They reserve their right to refuse admission, don't forget.

I wonder if they'll stop selling hoodies as well? I assume it's the front pockets that are the problem?

ballooba

I wear hoodies a fair bit. Brought about €700 worth back from America. I might go Ross O' Carroll Kelly on the security guards if they try and kick me out.

Kersh

Apparently its the ability to pull the hood up.. :rolleyes:
I give a fuk, cos if they let that in they will just keep at it, til we all are walking around in yellow overalls, on camera, evereywhere....

Siogfinsceal

its bullsh*t I wear a hoody - doesnt make me a criminal. what about robes, and long coats etc are we going to ban them to?

Royale with Cheese

It's wearing the hood up in shopping centres that's going to be banned right? I ain't no knacker but have a couple of hoodies and wouldn't like to think I couldn't just wander into a shopping centre in the city centre because I put a hoodie on that morning.

Siogfinsceal

coats have hoods!!

Kersh

Its banning you wearing the thing in to the shopping centre, really, apparently its applied in shopping centres in the uk :eek:

pickarooney

They're only banning the wearing of hoodies for religious purposes.

finlma

Nightclubs ban people from wearing trainers - its not a breach of freedom. Just a stupid rule as this one will be if it comes in.

JimmySmith

Its just the hood up in shops that they want to ban. I saw a guy running out of boots in the blanch shopping center last month with a handfull of stuff and the security guards chasing him. He had the hood up. If he wasnt let into the shop with it up he would be identifiable to the cameras. I wonder would he have done the same thing.
It doesnt hurt to take your hood down in a shop. Its like banks and POs asking that motorcyclists remove their helmets.
It doesnt hurt the wearer, just goes to eliminating the cover a potential thief has.

Kersh

FG minister Michael Noonan wants it brought in - a ban on hoodies, not putting the hood up, but hoodies 'hoody wearing young ppl' , he wants it brought in in Limerick first and then nationwide...

3greenrizla's

this hoody thing is getting beond a joke, if you take a hoody off a nack it wint make them any less of a nack, blaming an item of clothing for the problem of the day is insane.

Kersh

Thats why i ask... when will it stop?

ssh

Kersh wrote:

FG minister Michael Noonan wants it brought in - a ban on hoodies, not putting the hood up, but hoodies 'hoody wearing young ppl' , he wants it brought in in Limerick first and then nationwide...

I just googled "Michael Noonan hoodies" and it returned back a site selling Young Fine Gael hoodies :-)

Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that?

Kersh

Ye, one of the papers today, no idea which one....
Never forget - just cos its not on the net doesnt mean its not happening.

MicraBoy

One of the lunchtime questions on Tony Fenton's show today was: What article of clothing does FG's Michael Noonan want to ban?

It seems I have found the answer.

THE wearing of hoodies in supermarkets and shopping malls should be banned in the run-up to Christmas to combat shoplifting, Fine Gael TD Michael Noonan has suggested.

The former Fine Gael leader wants supermarket and shopping malls around the country to take a leaf out of the book of the Trafford Centre in Manchester, where there has been a "dramatic" reduction in shoplifting since this form of apparel was banned last year.

"There is no doubt about it, the impact from this ban at the Trafford Centre has been very dramatic and maybe it is time we tried it out as well," he said.

"Hoodies are worn in a lot of thefts and if they are a tool that petty criminals use then we should do something about it.

"Shoplifting and robberies cost business here millions each year and whatever means possible that can be used to cut down on this should be used."

Mr Noonan said the ban should be brought in on a trial basis in the run-up to Christmas and continued if it proved to be a success.

Eugene Hogan

HelterSkelter

* double post

Kersh

Ah cheers, there it is - see, its a ban on hoodies....

HelterSkelter

What sort of an idiot is Noonan? I am a 28 year old who wears a hoodie (and who doesn't shoplift), am I going to be banned from Liffey Valley now?!!! No wonder he is the "former Fine Gael leader" coming up with ideas like that!!

Canis Lupus

I don't see why people object to this.

This ban simply removes a thiefs ability to hide his identity if he intends to shoplift in a shopping centre.

Yesterday I seen a 13/14 year old walking through a shopping centre with his hoodie up and a bandana across his face so you could only see his eyes, I think the ban is a good idea, why not make life difficult for criminals.

It help that I hate hoodies.

billy the squid

taking the hoodie off the knack might not make him any less of a knack, but it will sure as hell help to identify him/her.

I see no problem with this. You dont need to be walking around shopping centres with the hood up. its indoors and your not likely to get wet. I would even ban any kind of hat that hides your face from CCTV as well as hoodies.

Is a breach of freedom, well the banned baleclavas in banks years ago and there were no constitutional challenges to it that I know of.

ferdi

i wear hoodies on a regular basis. however i am rarley in a shopping centre and i avoid going into them at all costs. if they are banned i'll just take it off before i go in. whats the problem?

Canis Lupus

HelterSkelter wrote:

What sort of an idiot is Noonan? I am a 28 year old who wears a hoodie (and who doesn't shoplift), am I going to be banned from Liffey Valley now?!!! No wonder he is the "former Fine Gael leader" coming up with ideas like that!!

Sorry to double post but come on. You're talking rubbish unless you own solely hoodies as a means of covering your upper body and if that's the case you need to go into a few more clothes shops. You would be amazed at the different ranges of clothes that aren't classed as hoodies.

IceHawk

Doesn't really make sense in Ireland tbh. Hoodies aren't worn exclusively by scumbags here. I understand that in Britain they were banned because of the fact that virtually every scumbag wore them, but in Ireland practically every sector of youth society wears hoodies. They're comfortable, fashionable and they keep the rain off. If the problem was that they obscure the face, then people will just start wearing raincoats when they're planning on going a-robbing. Living in Ireland, you could get away with wearing a raincoat pretty much any day of the year:v: .

MicraBoy

Well if I put my underpants on my head I would also not be as easily identifable. May be we should ban underpants too! In fact lets ban clothing altogether, after all it is purely just camaflage for criminals!

Join the Campaign for Naked Shopping! (CNS)

Lambsbread

Simple solution, why not just ban scumbags from shopping centres?

Kersh

So you guys would be quite willing to be told what to wear/not wear just so a small minority of scum can be stopped from robbing.
I wear hoodies, have lots of em, and i wont be taking mine off to spend my money in a shopping centre.
The idea of a government restricting the publics clothing in certain areas is appalling.
It should be up to the PAID security gurads to spot/stop the thieving scum.

Gone West

...the wearing of large baggy hoodies identifies them as possible shoplifters.
I agree with this idea.
I, myself have a good few hoodies(college ones, etc), but they are all the correct size and fit me. I'd have absolutely no problem wearing a jumper or something alternative to a shopping centre, if it would help. The way I see it, the less scumbags that are thieving in the shops, the cheaper the goods will get.

it can be argued that bags make it easier to hide stolen goods also, ban bags in shopping centres too?

this is ridiculous, absolutely unnecessary fuss.

And if it's going to happen, it should be the banning of wearing a hood up, not of wearing a hoody.

As someone else said earlier, motorcycle helmets have to be removed (actually, just lifting them off so that your face is visible is okay normally).

robinph

What they really mean is that they want to ban any form of headwear or obsuring the face. But they cannot be as obvious as that as they would then be banning religious headwear and any form of hat as well, and they are more worried about offending those people and someone loosing votes because of it.

Canis Lupus

Kersh wrote:

So you guys would be quite willing to be told what to wear/not wear just so a small minority of scum can be stopped from robbing.
I wear hoodies, have lots of em, and i wont be taking mine off to spend my money in a shopping centre.
The idea of a government restricting the publics clothing in certain areas is appalling.
It should be up to the PAID security gurads to spot/stop the thieving scum.

Is it that much of an effort for you to take your hoodie off when you go into a shopping centre?

HelterSkelter

Canis Lupus wrote:

Sorry to double post but come on. You're talking rubbish unless you own solely hoodies as a means of covering your upper body and if that's the case you need to go into a few more clothes shops. You would be amazed at the different ranges of clothes that aren't classed as hoodies.

Erm, just because you don't agree with me I'm talking rubbish?? I should be free to wear a hoodie if I choose (by the way, I wear it with the hood down). You can't go around stereotyping people by the clothes they wear. And I have pleanty of clothes that are not hoodies for your information so don't try to be such a smart arse.

finlma

I can't believe people are so idiotic that they think this is a good idea. Would you seriously not wear a piece of clothing shopping cause the government says so?
We can't and won't be told what to wear anywhere - its beyond stupidity.

rainbow kirby

So if I put my hoody on over my work clothes while I'm on my lunchbreak I could be kicked out of the shopping centre? The mind boggles...

HelterSkelter

Deleted User wrote:

And if it's going to happen, it should be the banning of wearing a hood up, not of wearing a hoody.

Argeed

whiskeyman

Canis Lupus wrote:

I don't see why people object to this.

This ban simply removes a thiefs ability to hide his identity if he intends to shoplift in a shopping centre.

Yesterday I seen a 13/14 year old walking through a shopping centre with his hoodie up and a bandana across his face so you could only see his eyes, I think the ban is a good idea, why not make life difficult for criminals.

Exactly.
It's not a ban on the garment... its a bad on wearing the hood up while indoors in the complex.
There is simply no need to wear a hood while indoors... unless you wish to remain unknown to staff and CCTV.

Siogfinsceal

thats not the issue - you shouldnt HAVE to!!

finlma

Canis Lupus wrote:

Is it that much of an effort for you to take your hoodie off when you go into a shopping centre?

The Market Cross Shopping Centre in Kilkenny isn't alone in being an open-air shopping centre smarta$$.

I for one will not be told what I can wear. Do you really want to live in more of a Nanny State - some people are pathetic.

How about looking at the root of the problem -why are these people stealing instead of telling people not to wear hoodies. Ridiculous - Noonan is a complete fool and so is anyone that agrees with this idea.

Hagar

The wearing of hoodies in supermarkets and shopping malls should be banned in the run-up to Christmas to combat shoplifting, Fine Gael TD Michael Noonan has suggested.

So poor old Santa is in for a hard time then. Maybe he'll wear a Louis Copeland suit this year...

simu

Wow! Banning hoodies - stupidest idea I've heard in a while. Of course, as shopping centres are private property, the management can ban whatever they want but it's ridiculous that a member of the government should be calling for this ban. Noonan's jumping on a band wagon that's not even relevant to this country!

Siogfinsceal

Thank you FinIma my thoughts exactly. I wont be told what I can and cant wear its a joke. Do they honestly think that if shoplifters cant wear a hoody they will think 'ohhhhh i wont steal in here than' ???!! whats stopping them wearing a dressing gown then ? or a coat with big pocjkets? in fact ive a jacket on me today with a nice big hood - can I wear that or will they be banning them as well.

dahooligan

It is quite a pants situation unfortunately, but remember the whole "pubs banning runners and shell track suits" issue? The owners of shopping centres have the right to refuse admission as does any other privately owned place (for whatever reason they see fit) so I guess we're just gonna have to get over it and invest in some sports coats! Its not right but what ya gonna do...

If I owned a shopping centre I'd ban boys who wear salmon pink/canary yellow t-shirts... but then again, I don't own a shopping centre unfortunately:(

Canis Lupus

finlma wrote:

The Market Cross Shopping Centre in Kilkenny isn't alone in being an open-air shopping centre smarta$$.

I for one will not be told what I can wear. Do you really want to live in more of a Nanny State - some people are pathetic.

How about looking at the root of the problem -why are these people stealing instead of telling people not to wear hoodies. Ridiculous - Noonan is a complete fool and so is anyone that agrees with this idea.

Firstly, I don't wear hoodies. I hate them and think they are stupid.

Secondly, the request is fairly simple. Please remove your hoodie before entering these premises. END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!! Oh, hold on, no it's not. In the same way a nightclub asks me to wear shoes and the same way I'm requested to step outside a bar to have a smoke.

All reasonable really. I don't see the need to flip out over something simple and start raging about my rights as a human. Jeez, complain about the tax or house prices, it's a much more worthwhile waste of your time.

simu

Well - is it remove your hoodie or remove your hood? Lowering your hood seems ok (although, what if you like the feel of stuff on your head) but actually taking the whole garment off would be a complete pain. If shops are that worried about shoplifting, they ought to spned more cash on security instead of this sort of scapegoating.