Claremorris Poker Open....Opinions appreciated

Coillte_Bhoy

1.Who is running the event (organisation, society etc.)
Electric Mouse Poker
2. The purpose of the event (charity, commercial etc.)
Commercial
3. Date and Location of event
Hanley’s Bar, Claremorris, Co Mayo
Thurs, Nov. 17th
4. Registration and Start time of event.
Reg from 8.30pm. Starts 9.30pm. Bonus chips if registered by 9.15pm
5. Any prerequisites (member of club, society etc)
No
6. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number (in advance, at the door etc.)
Max – 48 players. 1st come……
7. Type of Tournament (Hold'em/Omaha etc Freezeout/Rebuy etc.)
NL Hold Em rebuy
8. Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc.
Entry - €20. Unlimited rebuys - €15 (90 mins.) plus 1 top up - €20
Start – 1,500 chips. Rebuy – 1,500 Top Up – 2,500
9. Cost of registration
Nil
10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund
87.5%
11. Any guaranteed prize pool.
No
12. If applicable, Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blind levels.
See No. 8. Blinds up every 20 mins. for 60 mins. and 15 mins. thereafter
13. Starting Chips
1,500
14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts.
Rebuy – 1,5000. Top Up – 2,500
15. Blind levels
25/50, 50/100, 100/200, 150/300, 200/400, 300/600, 400/800, 500/1,000, 800/1,500, 2,000/4,000, 3,000/6,000, 4,000/8,000, 5,000/10,000
16. Blind timeframes
First 3 levels – 20 mins. 15 mins. thereafter
17. Places being paid and if any prizes are other than cash (free entry to other tournie, merchandice etc)
Less than 30 players – Top 4. 30-40 players – top 5. Over 40 – Top 6
18. Are there going to be dealers - and their level of skill
Dealer at Final Table. 3 Floor Staff at all times up to Final.
19. Will there be a documented list of rules
Yes
20. Is there a tournament director
Yes
21. How are disputes handled - who has final say.
TD

This is our first Tournament outside The Electric Mouse and i make no apologies saying we are trying to make a few bob for ourselves. The tournaments we ran in The Mouse (and hopefully will again, could afford a 100% payout as staff were paid by the pub.) This is just something different a few of us are going to try as a numbrer of pubs have contacted us to run tournaments in their premises. We are not trying to be PokerEvents or anything like it but neiither do we want to be seen in the same light as the CPT

Davey Devil

The problem with taking 10% is that it should be reflected though registration and not taken from the prizepool. This way everything is up front and clear to everyone.

Fatboydim

Hi Michael

Good luck with it.

IMHO the things I would change are - Make it a FO for €50 and charge €5reg
Then that way you can stick to 20min blinds and make the start stack 4000.

The way you have it at the moment and starting so late it will turn into a crap shoot.

The other option might be to make it a double chance freezeout at €25 + €3 reg with one top up of €25 and starting chips of 3k.

With the current levels and starting chips you'll have almost everyone short stacked at the end of level 3.

Is there a reason why it's starting so late?

Coillte_Bhoy

The problem with taking 10% is that it should be reflected though registration and not taken from the prizepool. This way everything is up front and clear to everyone.

Fair point but the problem is that a lot of players who are relatively new to the game baulk at paying a reg fee and i know this from friends who have played CPT events. they see €10,000 prize money advertised and think it's great. Ironically these same players will not go to PokerEvents because the registration fee is clearly stated and they feel they are being ripped off. :rolleyes: Personally i prefer the way PokerEvents do things but for us it would be pointless trying this. We will be using Poker Tournament Manager software so everything will be upfront if any player has a problem.

Fatboydim

Davey Devil wrote:

The problem with taking 10% is that it should be reflected though registration and not taken from the prizepool. This way everything is up front and clear to everyone.

I think Michael means 10% as in from the initial €20 I think all rebuys and top ups are 100% part of the prizepool.

Davey Devil

Fatboydim wrote:

10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund
90%

I don't.

RoundTower

Fatboydim wrote:

Hi Michael

Good luck with it.

IMHO the things I would change are - Make it a FO for €50 and charge €5reg
Then that way you can stick to 20min blinds and make the start stack 4000.

The way you have it at the moment and starting so late it will turn into a crap shoot.

The other option might be to make it a double chance freezeout at €25 + €3 reg with one top up of €25 and starting chips of 3k.

With the current levels and starting chips you'll have almost everyone short stacked at the end of level 3.

Is there a reason why it's starting so late?

I would make it a $800 freezeout, four day event with $25k added to the prizepool. 120-minute clock and 10k starting stack, blinds to start at 25-50. Running antes introduced at 100-200. Dealers at all tables, and at least one floorman per four tables. Comped buffet and hotel room for all players. Cash games round the clock. Players allowed to wear sponsors logos.

The way you have it is fine too, not much wrong with that.

Coillte_Bhoy

The problem with taking 10% is that it should be reflected though registration and not taken from the prizepool. This way everything is up front and clear to everyone.

Len, actually i meant 10% of the total - entries, rebuys etc. With a field of 30 runners at an average spend of €50 each our take would be €150...hardly exorbitant. If only 15 turn up we get €75 so we are taking a risk. There are three of us to pay for the night and having been at some farcical tourneys in Mayo recently i think there is an opening for properly run tourneys but we are not a charity. The other two lads involved are Paul, the TD in The Mouse (not sure if you played when he was in running things, i think you were unfortunate that any time you turned up it was me with a few pints in me running things. For this tourney Pual will be the main man with me and the other lad, a very good player who knows his stuff, helping out.)Anyway just put this up to see what kind of response i'd get...nothing is written in stone.

Coillte_Bhoy

I would make it a $800 freezeout, four day event with $25k added to the prizepool. 120-minute clock and 10k starting stack, blinds to start at 25-50. Running antes introduced at 100-200. Dealers at all tables, and at least one floorman per four tables. Comped buffet and hotel room for all players. Cash games round the clock. Players allowed to wear sponsors logos.

The way you have it is fine too, not much wrong with that.

Excellent ideas there. Will you have a word with the local Garda Super and District Judge about exemptions etc. Would Lap Dancers at the break be pushing it??

Shortstack

I would change two things:

1: Make the re-buys the same price as the initial entry and top up.
2: Do away with the €2 reg and take a slighly higher %

one thing to add, make sure you keep a record of who has had what re-buys then if you have a doubting thomas you can show clearly how much has been taken in/payed out.

Davey Devil

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

Len, actually i meant 10% of the total - entries, rebuys etc. With a field of 30 runners at an average spend of €50 each our take would be €150...hardly exorbitant.

I'm sure you are not a rip off merchant. However, what happens if 100 people turn up and the average spend is €80. Then it is exorbitant.

Coillte_Bhoy

Cheers Shortstack. Your tourneys have a good name and was trying to base this on your model. I remember seeing the structure posted here somewhere but can't seem to find it. Any link please?

Culchie

Coillte_Bhoy wrote:

The other two lads involved are Paul, the TD in The Mouse (not sure if you played when he was in running things, i think you were unfortunate that any time you turned up it was me with a few pints in me running things.

Er no ....that was me, you big lush

Good Luck with it Michael, think I'll take a day off work and go down to this !

Decide whether it's a €20 or €25 rebuy, say you are taking a 10 or 12.5% cut or whatever.

Why are you limiting it to 48 ?

Coillte_Bhoy

I'm sure you are not a rip off merchant. However, what happens if 100 people turn up and the average spend is €80. Then it is exorbitant.

We have no interest in running such big tourneys tand anyway the venue can handle 50 at max. and even if it was the case that 100 played and we took 10%, so what, it's what we advertised. Conversely if only 10 turned up we'd lose money. We are taking a risk so don't see what the problem is once we are being totally up and front players can choose to play or not. Compared to Vegas Nights events which i've played i think ours is good value though the blinds may need some tweaking etc.

Davey Devil

Davey Devil wrote:

I'm sure you are not a rip off merchant. However, what happens if 100 people turn up and the average spend is €80. Then it is exorbitant.

Ah I didn't see it was limited. Changes things. I'd still rather see a reg though and 100% payout.

Culchie

Davey Devil wrote:

I'm sure you are not a rip off merchant. However, what happens if 100 people turn up and the average spend is €80. Then it is exorbitant.

If it's still 10% then good luck to them, no difference from a rebuy tourney in a casino then is it?

Davey Devil

Casino's don't charge reg on re-buys.

Pokerevents

Apart from having a Director who knows what He's/She's doing, I think any tourney worth it's salt should have a complete count of all chips in play. This should be done openly with the final table players. It confirms organizors are above board and players get the complete prizepool. I have played events (even in casino's) where players stacks heads up did not add up to prizepool. It leaves a really bad taste and it's basically wrong and illegal and should be exposed and done away with. I have being asked to be part of a Irish poker federation where the event (and cardrooms/casino s)organizors would adhere to a charter where the above would be the very basics. To any1 running events I'd advise these two steps as a starting point.
Good luck, and from what I hear about ur pub events , I"m sure your new venture will be a success.
Fintan.

Shortstack

12.5% is not exorbitant on 100 players. It will normally average at 1 rebuy and a top up per player. With a 20 euro tourney that is €60 per player so a pool of €6000 and a take of €750 for the organisers. Take out running costs and it is is fair wage for people involved and good value for the punters.

There is a lot more to running a tournament than just turning up on the night and taking peoples money. Reg fees will only work on larger buy in Freezeouts. There is now way that anybosy is going to organise a tournament for you taking €2 per player (based on €20+€2). Even if you made it €20 + €5, €250 is not enough for a team to warrant running a tournament (Based on 50 max capacity).

As far as I can see there is no better comprimise than taking a percentage of the pool in a non casino tourney at the lower buy in levels.

Davey Devil

That makes sense, I should really think things through before posting.

Fatboydim

Yes you're right about the tight buggers in Mayo... Let us know how it goes... I'm sure you'll do fine and you've a much better idea about how to run it than many of the outfits opperatring in Mayo - Guess we'll have to persuade Fintan to Come to Castlebar and the TF or maybe the Castlecourt in Westport.

Coillte_Bhoy

Guess we'll have to persuade Fintan to Come to Castlebar and the TF or maybe the Castlecourt in Westport.

Ah Len give us a chance to get going.:(

tacker

how often the games in castlebar and westport held.where can i find listings?i might get a game in some weekend im home

Coillte_Bhoy

Don't know of any weekend games. Think there's a Thursday night game in The Castle Inn, in Castlebar. Weekend tourneys will be starting in Electric Mouse, Kiltimagh over after Christmas and hope to have a couple of tourneys over the holiday. Looking probably at Dec 27th and Monday Jan 2nd.

tacker

good stuff.hopefully ill make one of them

Coillte_Bhoy

Contact details: Michael 086 8988306