Question to non eL fans

gimmick

im not wanting this to tur into a bitch fest, nor do i want it to turn into an "Im better than you" thread.

Simply, I want to know, is of you which have 'easy access' to eL football, why do you not avail of it?

I have heard all the arguments against - the facilities, the standard, laziness, not knowing the players names (thats a personal favourite of mine!), the attitudes of eL fans to new supports, and indeed non supporters.

Which is yours?

Personally, I see the attitudes of alot of eL fans screas away many, with a greater than thou attitudes. As a Cork City fan, some even almost scare me away with their attitudes. If you dont go to all away games you are not a real fan!?!

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I know this thread was directed to non eL fans, but I'm replying anyway!

gimmick wrote:

not knowing the players names

Do people actually use this as an excuse not to take an interest?

Not something I have heard tbh.

gimmick wrote:

the attitudes of eL fans to new support

In have to say, I would be a relatively new supporter, started going at the tail end of the 2003 season, and I have not encountered any of this "attitude".

I was welcomed as a new fan, and now I even contribute regularly to the fanzine.

PHB

I don't like the standerd, so I couldn't watching it without supportinga team, and I don't support, or really want to support any of the teams.

gimmick

PHB wrote:

or really want to support any of the teams.

Why not? Every league has bad games now and then, the eL is no different.

thejollyrodger

I cant figure out the fans who travel to england to support MAn Utd Arsenal etc yet dont support their own teams.. strange. I guess it takes less effort to support the top english clubs.

daveirl

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Slash/ED

To be honest, I think the standard thing is just erong. For a start, European results show the standard isn't that bad but eitherway, standard does not = excitment and drama and that's why people watch football. If standard was the reason Irish people didn't watch the EL then nobody in Ireland would follow Celtic or any premiership side, we'd all be serie A and La Liga fans. I've seen matches in the EL better than matches between two world class sides in terms of drama, the Shelbourne 4-2 Shamrock Rovers games last season was one of the most amazing I've ever seen, you don't need to have world class players to produce world class drama.

gimmick

daveirl wrote:

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Common misconception, though some would have you believe that only a certain few should be allowed support City. Your money is as good as the next guy, and not every first timer is a 'fair-weather fan'. Everyone goes for a first time. Some go back week in week out, others dont. It be great if more came back, but c'est la vie.

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Thats a beaut alright :eek:

daveirl

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Jivin Turkey

Id say peoples perceptions of attitudes of current EL fans is a large factor. And I think not knowing players names/abilities is also a factor (and a legitimate one) because its hard to identify with a team when you dont know who to watch and what to watch for etc. Obviously going to games would solve this though. Lack of exposure is also another reason, and I suppose "laziness" for want of a better word.

Personally I follow my local LSL team, and look down my nose at the "glory hunting" EL fans

Healio

I used to be a hardcore Bray fan about two/three years ago, had a season ticket and went to the odd away game, but then we were relegated, and at the same time so was my interest, I lasted about 5 games into the 2003 season and just said "i've had enough of this". Subsequently my interest turned to, me going out on a friday/saturday nite, then coming home and simply pressing aertel 222 for the result, if they won i was like great, if they lost i was like ah well, if they drew i was indifferent, i basically couldnt give a ****, but then towards the end of this season i re-found my interest and have been down to the carlisle grounds the last 7 games, and with promotion attained, i will be dragging as many mates as i can out to bray, and in turn the eircom league.

A Dub in Glasgo

I went one season to Home Farm games in the '80s, then I went to Waterford United games when I lived in Waterford. I then moved to Bolton and started going to a mixture of Bolton Wanderers and Manchester United games (early '90s). I then moved to Glasgow 11 years ago and I have been a season ticket holder at Celtic for the past 8 years.

What I am trying to say is: I love going to live games and I cannot understand all the folk who are 'football' fans choosing a British team over thier local eL team. I like watching some of the live games on TV as well as the next man but not to the detriment of going to see a live game.

The fatuation with the English league is staggering tbh

On the real fan arguments, you get that at all clubs. I went to 11 Celtic away games last season (including Ibrox) coupled with a trip to Barcelona & Lyon. It cost me a bloody fortune (plus the season ticket, European home games & cup games). This season I still have my season ticket but I have stopped going to the away games as I cannot afford it. I still bought the 3 x Champions League home games though.

KdjaCL

seansouth wrote:

In have to say, I would be a relatively new supporter, started going at the tail end of the 2003 season, and I have not encountered any of this "attitude".

You would never have known

Luckily as a Pats fan i get to see some of the most amazing **** that can possibly happen on a football pitch in my 22 years going to Richmond /Harolds Cross/ back to Richmond.

I have been to odd countries that dont exist anymore to watch us get slaughtered 5-0(home and fukkin away) , i been to Glasgow to see us nearly beat Celtic in CL Q. But honestly altho all great games and times, watching them play Rovers, Bohs and Shels (cork in 98) is far better than any of the high profile one off Euro games.

Beating Bohs 4-3 , losing 4-2,3-3 Swannies hatrick vs us (****) winning 5-0 in Kerrs last game , going 3 years unbeaten vs Rovers , beating Cork 2-1 in the Cross in front of 11,500, then again in Richer with 7k at the game. Soupies free kick in Dundalk (95 i think) Eddies goal from chipper van q vs Sligo in 97 (i think) Those games were a hell of a lot better than any game i been to england scotland spain italy wales (<wtf i know).

Most people dont associate themselves with an Irish club but can to an English or Scottish team. I live not far from Richer been going since Mc grath was playing , cant see myself ever not going regardless of well they playing. Will bring/force kids to go just like i was. Gimmick is from Cork therefore associates himself with the team, the whole Football CLUB thing.

And to the original post , the fans are there just mostly fair weather which isnt a problem unless you see a club struggle over it, is a pity. I have been to all but one EL ground(Limericks) and with 2 exceptions (UCD /Dublin whatever) have seen full grounds, Cork 11,5k Sligo 6k, Dundalk, Drog, waterford,galway, all dublin teams (altho with Shels it was usually away fans). There are fans who will go and watch certain games. Just getting them out every week is the problem But if clubs had extra cash from higher "financial" profile there wouldnt be a problem.

Standard of Football isnt the problem(to "them" people who go to EL do like watching decent football, just leave the house/pub to watch it). If tv showed as many games as the Premiership there would be a hell of a lot more decent matches on tv (DUH! not of PL standard b4 "they" reply). I never seen a decent EL game on tv since it started (I been at them,we been in them all ,Gwan pats!). If clubs had cash and every ground was all seater COVERED (EL matches only place you can forget you had toes) and had a largish bar. People would go if it was more comfortable just standing in the rain on a friday night with 8 warm pubs within spitting distance.










"them" and "they" are the people who criticise a league they have never watch but can judge it.

Wow what a long post , EL fans rep me!

kdjac

eirebhoy

My first match of the few I went to was Pats v Shels in the cup final in Lansdowne and Shels' keeper was sent off. A centre half had to get in goal as there was noone on the bench, I think the keeper was actually crying. It ended 1-1 though. I can't remember when exactly it was but it was an excellent match. I was watching a show on Sky One last year showing the greatest ever premiership games and I doubt any of them were voted top because the standard of football was better than any other. Its not about standard its about drama and goals.

por

PHB wrote:

I don't like the standerd, so I couldn't watching it without supportinga team, and I don't support, or really want to support any of the teams.

I agree that I couldn't watch it without supporting a team.
I think a lot of it has to do with location; outside Dublin EL teams are relatively scarce. So if you grown up in a location that does not have an EL team nearby then you are more likely to turn on the TV and watch foreign football. And if you do then decide to start following the EL later in life you might get the ‘attitude’ from long term fans that has been discussed already.

Iago

eirebhoy wrote:

My first match of the few I went to was Pats v Shels in the cup final in Lansdowne and Shels' keeper was sent off. A centre half had to get in goal as there was noone on the bench, I think the keeper was actually crying. It ended 1-1 though. I can't remember when exactly it was but it was an excellent match. I was watching a show on Sky One last year showing the greatest ever premiership games and I doubt any of them were voted top because the standard of football was better than any other. Its not about standard its about drama and goals.

Personally I would disagree with this statement, for me it's all about the standard of play. I'd rather watch a good standard 0-0 draw then a 6-5 game where the quality was shocking.

That's a personal viewpoint, as is the fact that I don't think the EL is a great deal better than the intermediate section of the LSL or the old Division 3-2 in England. I like watching the premiership, and la liga and Serie A, the quality of football is just a lot better in those leagues in my opinion.

I still read up on the results in the EL and I hope that the teams do well when they're competing in Europe, but I can't see myself going to watch a game, simply because I don't believe the quality is high enough.

eirebhoy

Iago wrote:

Personally I would disagree with this statement, for me it's all about the standard of play. I'd rather watch a good standard 0-0 draw then a 6-5 game where the quality was shocking.

I believe you're in the minority. A lot of people say its the standard of football that matters but you ask them the greatest ever game and they'd say something like Liverpool 4-3 Newcastle or Spurs 3 - 5 Man Utd. That is not because it had the highest standard of football (if it was they wouldn't have conceded 7 or 8 goals). Its because of the goals and drama. I'm sure if all of Shels and Cork's players were well known and Cork got back from 3-0 down to win 5-3 it would also be regarded is a great game (the only difference between that and the Spurs game is things like the atmosphere, the players are well known, etc.).

thejollyrodger

I think one of the major problems with the league is that it isnt run well (no surprises). RTE were going to show 1 game a month but someone messed it up somewhere. That alone would raise the profile of the game.

The other major downfall is the lack of money in the league. Europe offers some hope to the bigger clubs there. But its the biggest thing holding the league back.

But there is a lot more drama in the E.L than in the Premiership. Some of the matches on MOTD or RTE look dry affairs and the standard of football in the premiership is by no means top quality (apart from the 3 major clubs).

Nuttzz

Iago wrote:

but I can't see myself going to watch a game, simply because I don't believe the quality is high enough.

But if you dont go who do you know what the standard is like? Take the Shels - Split match this season, It was without doubt the best performance that I have seen from an EL side in any competition, then take the Shel V Pats match on friday and it was dour, but no worse than some of the Permiership games that have been on recently. Have Arsenal ManU and Celtic never played bad?

gimmick

por wrote:

I agree that I couldn't watch it without supporting a team.

So, how often do you watch football?

eireboy wrote:

the only difference between that and the Spurs game is things like the atmosphere, the players are well known, etc

Whatever about the players being well known, you cannot honestly say that the Premiership athmosphere is better than eL. Ive watched some games this season, and you could hear a pin drop. eL games may not have alot, but they certainly have good athmosphere.

cournioni

Well I would consider myself a fair weather supporter because I have no great interest in any of the teams. I don't have a local EL team, which is what I see as a big downfall in the league. It isn't localised enough. Not enough local players get to play for their clubs etc.

I know if Cavan had a EL team, I would definately try my best to go to all of the home games. But the only local teams I have to follow at the moment are Dundalk and Monaghan with Dundalk being my preferable choice because obviously we don't like Monaghan in this part of the country. I have been to a few of their games along with a few Bohs and Shels games.

The standard isn't worth the money in IMO. I would much prefer to go and watch a more entertaining GAA match.

By the way... Why aren't most EL games played at 3pm on a Saturday? It would be a much more accessable time than 7.45pm on a Thursday night.

MrJoeSoap

PORNAPSTER wrote:

By the way... Why aren't most EL games played at 3pm on a Saturday? It would be a much more accessable time than 7.45pm on a Thursday night.

A certain cross-channel league wont like that, stupid as it may seem. AFAIK, there has been some money paid to the league to have the times changed to non-Premiership times (I may be wrong).

KdjaC wrote:

I have been to all but one EL ground(Limericks) and with 2 exceptions (UCD /Dublin whatever) have seen full grounds, Cork 11,5k Sligo 6k, Dundalk, Drog, waterford,galway, all dublin teams (altho with Shels it was usually away fans).

Very true, kinda the opposite last Friday tho wasnt it?

"Can you hear the Patricks sing? No-o, no-o."

Great post tho.

jonno

Well I am from Athlone so the town are my local EL team. I also support Bohemians but my biggest problem is that I am in college in Limerick so it's hard for me to get to any of the games for either team. Although when I do get the opportunity I jump at it. Before I started college I would have went to alot of the Town's home games but since then it's just not possible really.

So it's not that I'm not an EL fan, I watch any game on TV that I can and check aertel pg.222 religiously, it's just for me I see more of other leagues

KdjaCL

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Very true, kinda the opposite last Friday tho wasnt it?

"Can you hear the Patricks sing? No-o, no-o."

Great post tho.

Thing is we have the fans, there has been numerous sellouts when we was winning stuff, so its not like they not there. They fair weather fans nothing wrong with that, If shels werent winning league last week in richer how many fans would have been there?

Everyone sings when they are winning tis football but lot more people would go if it was a comfortable experience.

kdjac

jank

Personally, I see the attitudes of alot of eL fans screas away many, with a greater than thou attitudes. As a Cork City fan, some even almost scare me away with their attitudes. If you dont go to all away games you are not a real fan!?!

Sometimes I see this. I remember clearly going to the cross in the mid 90's where the shed end was the place to be, and the atmosphere absolutely rocked, unfortunately a scumbag element was drawn in and forced many of the real vocal fans away to other parts of the ground thus devalueing the atmosphere. Also finishing second many times has not helped that much the profile of cork city even though they are still by far the best supported team in the country.

My highlight has to be beating shelbourne in the FAI cup final in 96 (i think!) where coughlan scored the winner in the replay
Also pushing Galatasery hard at home in bishopstown back in 92 where if they won would have playyed Man UTD!!

I have followed league of ireland for a long time but my interest wained for 3 reasons

1: was well as a student over the years i ahd to work the friday nights and sundays and

2: Attitude! If you dont go to every match then your fair weather even though i have been following the team longer then many of "hardcore" supporters! On the other side of the scale you will get the folk that say EL is ****e no matter what!

3: Different year same ****! I think the eircom league needs a bit of a marketing blitz. The standards have improved drastically but attendences are still around the same. For such a soccer made country we should be getting 10,000 plus for the big dublin derbys and the title deciders. RTE needs to get its act together too and portray the league in a better light.

beating Cork 2-1 in the Cross in front of 11,500, then again in Richer with 7k at the game.

They were great games and was at both of them, but at the home game some scumbag tried to rob my scarf, which set a precident for the years to come unfortunately. For the second game I remember the city fans completely outsinging the pats home support

Slash/ED

eirebhoy wrote:

My first match of the few I went to was Pats v Shels in the cup final in Lansdowne and Shels' keeper was sent off. A centre half had to get in goal as there was noone on the bench, I think the keeper was actually crying. It ended 1-1 though.

I presume you mean 1996, Brian Kerrs double down the toilet and an absolute bleedin' wonder goal by the great one. 2-1 in the replay, Geogho and another by Shero. Again, if that goal was scored in England by a well known player in a cup final we'd still be watching it.

The problem with the league is the culture here. We're, in the main, brought up to be fans of English football. It's all that's on TV, and kids are impressnoble and they start following United and the rest as a result before they even become aware of a league here. After that, it takes something to spark their interest in the league, like friends of family getting them to go down or a big european night getting them hooked. Usually though, new fans who go will love it and come back for more and more, the hard thing is getting fans there in the first place. We need far more coverage, matches on TV is one thing but the EL needs to be getting coverage into news, papers and all of that. We need people to be exposed to the EL, not have it tucked away and make people have to go and find it, if that makes sense.

On that, things look good. RTE are finally taking an interest in the league, the papers coverage is getting slightly better and setanta claim they'll be showing league games themselves next year, aswell as 10+ setanta cup games. A good run in Europe again next year from the European sides and more live games and hopefully it'll begin to shift.

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Slash/ED wrote:

Usually though, new fans who go will love it and come back for more and more

That is exactly what happened to me.

I went down with the brother last season to a few games, I always had a mild interest in Shels, but as has already been said, I was a student for a good few years, and had to work on Friday evenings.

Once I was free on Friday nights, I was able to begin going full time, and I will never stop going now.

I don't really care that I am in a very small minority being a Shels fan and all that, and the taunts about having no fans don't really bother me, I am one, so thats all I really care about.

I know we have some very loyal fans, who do go to all games and whatnot, and I welcome any new fans, just as I have been welcomed.

Also, my interest in the English game has waned in the extreme.

PiE

In answer to the original question:

I really just couldn't be arsed. I know nobody who really gives a crap about it, which means nobody tries to get me interested. Also, and I mean no offense to anyone here, anyone I've ever met who DOES like EL football has been an utter retard.

Just my personal experience, I know there are true fans of the game out there.

gimmick

seansouth wrote:

Also, my interest in the English game has waned in the extreme.

In fact, my interest has waned so much, it makes me wonder how I ever felt I was 'supporting' any team. Im 25 and have been in Anfield once FFS.

I still enjoy a premiership game, but not to the detriment of CCFC.

jank wrote:

My highlight has to be beating shelbourne in the FAI cup final in 96 (i think!) where coughlan scored the winner in the replay

That was 1998. It will be repeated next season.

Slash/Ed wrote:

We need far more coverage, matches on TV is one thing but the EL needs to be getting coverage into news, papers and all of that.

A very good point made by city chairman Brian Lennox is that the eL, in general, is not ready for live football on a regular basis. For one thing, only Turners X, Dalymount, Flansiro and Tolka are the only grounds really capable of looking good. Richmond is ok, but the muddy bank makes it look very poor.

Secondly, and I hate to say it, but the standard isnt TV standard yet. A good highlights package is required here. TV3 have made a valiant effort, but its still sh*t and inconclusive. Imagine the big game from Old Trafford being shown on MOTD by one camera. Also, many grounds are excluded altogether, and not just small teams like CHF, but big games involving Pats/City/Drogs/Waterford/Longford/Derry.

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gimmick wrote:

In fact, my interest has waned so much, it makes me wonder how I ever felt I was 'supporting' any team. Im 25 and have been in Anfield once FFS.

I still enjoy a premiership game, but not to the detriment of CCFC.

My feelings exactly tbh

gimmick wrote:

the eL, in general, is not ready for live football on a regular basis. For one thing, only Turners X, Dalymount, Flansiro and Tolka are the only grounds really capable of looking good.

On eL weekly last night, the ground of Finn Harps ( name? Finn Park? ) looked alright.

Slash/ED

gimmick wrote:

Secondly, and I hate to say it, but the standard isnt TV standard yet. A good highlights package is required here. TV3 have made a valiant effort, but its still sh*t and inconclusive. Imagine the big game from Old Trafford being shown on MOTD by one camera. Also, many grounds are excluded altogether, and not just small teams like CHF, but big games involving Pats/City/Drogs/Waterford/Longford/Derry.

It's a chicken and egg situation though isn't it. The stadiums aren't upto additional coverage but additional coverage is needed to get the attendences up to generate the money to get stadiums upto the standard required for additional coverage. Someone has to make the first step there to break that catch 22 and I doubt the general public will randomly decide to flock to the grounds overnight, so we need to start putting more games on TV. Maybe not weekly, but, all the bigger games in the decent stadiums need airing. All three Shels V Bohs, Cork V Bohs, Shels V Cork matches need to be aired aswell as other bigger games and as much European games as possible (None of Corks inter toto cups were on TV, that meant their superb results were simply missed by the majority of people and their achievements are under appreciated). We need not just live matches though, as you say, we need a good highlights package, that is essential, not on at some time that renders watching it impossible for alot of people. We need more coverage in the news and in the papers, basically expose people to the league, most people wouldn't know who the likes of Jason Byrne, John O'Flynn etc are, and we need to address that. Get the interest up by promoting it and the journalists could do their bit by giving the league decent column inches. Then, if that has a nice knock on effect, get the grounds up and the coverage will increase even more, it's a snowball effect but it has to actually start somewhere, hopefully that somewhere was this season.

gimmick

^^^^

Ive not been, but Im told its a dump, little better than St Mels in Athlone.

In fact they will be lucky to get away with playing there, as it is nowhere near up to A licence standard. No proper seating, just wooden benches etc.

The Muppet

To answer the original question I have supported Man U for over thirty years and nothing will make me change now.

I did start watching A few EL games in the eighties but the standard at that stage was so far short of the English league I just gave up. I appreciate the standard Of EL is improving all the time but its still falls a long way short IMHO. I do watch park soccer the odd weekend and support one of my local teams when I do, that does me for the Irish game.

thejollyrodger

one of the biggest problems in soccer in this country is Ireland supporters at lansdowne road. As kerr once said, he didnt know if it was a case of going to to england and just watching the game and staying mute. Once they go and support the national team its more of the same.

E.L are proper supporters who really make a presence at the grounds their at.

I agree with the point about all European matches being aired and the bigger games being shown. RTE wanted to show 1 game a month but the FAI messed it up FFS ! Maybe TV3 could start showing games and move their highlights programme to a decent hour.

eirebhoy

thejollyrodger wrote:

RTE wanted to show 1 game a month but the FAI messed it up FFS!

Where did you here that and how did the FAI mess it up? RTE only started to show league games when they realised European games were getting high ratings.

KdjaCL

Slash/ED wrote:

I presume you mean 1996, Brian Kerrs double down the toilet and an absolute bleedin' wonder goal by the great one.

Lucky bastard , ball hopped up of Eddies heel and sat nicely to be smacked in from 30 odd yards, i nearly cried

Follow the winners wrote:

Also, my interest in the English game has waned in the extreme.

I see that in a lot of people who start going after being PL fans , tis just feeling of being at the games , knowing the players names etc: (ffs get them back on jerseys we go tru about 40 a season, stupid FAI )


kdjac

KdjaCL

eirebhoy wrote:

Where did you here that and how did the FAI mess it up? RTE only started to show league games when they realised European games were getting high ratings.

Pats vs Shels (league irc) in 98 had 250,000 viewers , there is other such games which beaten the premiership thingie by almost double. RTE always knew this.

kdjac

por

thejollyrodger wrote:

one of the biggest problems in soccer in this country is Ireland supporters at lansdowne road. As kerr once said, he didnt know if it was a case of going to to england and just watching the game and staying mute. Once they go and support the national team its more of the same.

E.L are proper supporters who really make a presence at the grounds their at.

So are you saying that non EL supporters who go to Ireland games are not 'proper supporters'. If you are then it just proves the 'holier than thou' attitude of EL fans that has been mentioned elsewhere. I know people that have been going to Ireland games for 15 + years, home and way, that do not necessarily support the EL, are these not 'proper supporters'. ?.

Mossy Monk

gimmick wrote:

Simply, I want to know, is of you which have 'easy access' to eL football, why do you not avail of it?

the RSC in Waterford is a 5 minute walk from my house but work prevents me from going because of these stupid Friday night kick offs, anytime i am not working thay are away

eirebhoy

Mossy Monk wrote:

the RSC in Waterford is a 5 minute walk from my house but work prevents me from going because of these stupid Friday night kick offs, anytime i am not working thay are away

Yeah, Friday nights are a silly time to play matches. If they don't want to play on Saturday's, why not play on Sunday afternoons?

thejollyrodger

Where did you here that and how did the FAI mess it up? RTE only started to show league games when they realised European games were getting high ratings.

It was in the Irish Times I think, by Malone after the game against Lille. He was having a go at the E.L. He reckoned shels should had more cop on and played at their home game against Lille in their home ground (only 7k @ landsdowne) and tried to win the match, not cash in on landsdowne.

He went on to say that RTE said that there was intrest in the general public for E.L matches on T.V but probably only the big matches (averaging 1 per month I belived he said) but the FAI made a total pigs ear of the whole thing and RTE pulled out.

He also criticed the fact that the FAI also messed up the sports awards or something, RTE had an hour of PRIME TIME set aside for it but the FAI ballsed it all up (for the 2nd year in the row if im not mistaken )

Ill look for the article.

I called E.L proper supporters because they make a real effort with the flares, drums, banners and good chants in the grounds. Soccer in landsdowne road is like a snooker final. Not much noise and everyone is trying to concentrate on the game. Thats not how it should be !

por

eirebhoy wrote:

Yeah, Friday nights are a silly time to play matches. If they don't want to play on Saturday's, why not play on Sunday afternoons?

If I recall back in the 90s the league got compo from Sky to switch their games from a Sunday afternoon so that Sky could have a easier hand a selling subscriptions on the back of 'super sunday' football in Eire

With the money lots of clubs installed floodlights and started play night games.

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thejollyrodger wrote:

He reckoned shels should had more cop on and played at their home game against Lille in their home ground (only 7k @ landsdowne) and tried to win the match, not cash in on landsdowne.

He was right on that one, no doubt.

cournioni

por wrote:

If I recall back in the 90s the league got compo from Sky to switch their games from a Sunday afternoon so that Sky could have a easier hand a selling subscriptions on the back of 'super sunday' football in Eire

With the money lots of clubs installed floodlights and started play night games.

Plus the fact that as it is now a Summer League, it has competition for attendance with the GAA. We saw what a poor turn out there was for this years FAI cup final because of the International Rules (and most likely because of the United vs Arse game).

I think most of the matches should definately be played at 3pm on a Saturday. The teams up North play at that time, as do the Scottish matches.

The only thing is that RTE got the tv rights to show 3pm matches on Saturday's now...

daveirl

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Draupnir

used to go to all Bohs home games, played for the club as a boy until I was 17, unfortunately I just got sick of these new supporters, or "casuals" as they call themselves. I prefer the term gob****es. It just all turned a bit nasty down there for my liking.

Bottle_of_Smoke

eirebhoy wrote:

Yeah, Friday nights are a silly time to play matches. If they don't want to play on Saturday's, why not play on Sunday afternoons?

much better atmosphere on a friday night than a sunday afternoon, and i gotta work sunday afternoons

one thing that puts me off goin is the fans my age and a bit younger(im 19) are mostly skanger morons who seem to infect others that are normally fine

and the singing annoys me, well some of it, songs like "same old patricks, always cheating" (in an english accent for some bizarre reason) really put me off singing proper chants