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Your favourate scene from a book
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05-05-2001 4:24pm#1
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nesf:
Perrin and Egwene when confronted by Whitecloaks, and Hopper takes a lance etc.
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Believe it or not, that's in TEOTW, the first book
My personal fave from the Wheel of Time is Rand's personal quest for revenge against Rahvin in the Fires of Heaven (book 5 I think). Very close behind would have to be his capture and Taim-led rescue in book 6. The series has degenerated however- and Jordan's rehashing old character information without really expanding the story. The last book I truly enjoyed in the series was book 7- A Crown of Swords.
Let's hope his next offering is written with a little more character development.
Oh, and while I'm at it- here's another scene from a book- Count Roland's stand at Roncevall to save Charlemagne's retreat is another classic piece of literature. It might be considered story-poetry in the manner of Chaucer- but I'll include it anyway
Bob the Unlucky Octopus
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nesf:
I stand corrected I'm reading the 9th at the moment so my heads totally fuzzed, 25 page chapters??
I like the fisrt scenes of Chade in "The Assassins Apprentice" by Robin Hodd</font>
actually, the last 40 pages of book 9 are excellent. now if you could remember all the plot lines, theyd fall into place. much earth scorching and sweating and power weilding
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nesf:
I like the fisrt scenes of Chade in "The Assassins Apprentice" by Robin Hodd</font>
Those are some great scenes there- Chade is a great "mentor" character to our poor royal ******* hero. The last 40 pages of book 9 resolved a lot of plot-lines, but in a most ham-fisted fashion.
************SPOILER ABOUT NOVEL's PLOT***********
I mean- the cleansing of saidin was way too easily accomplished by the characters- I was expecting something more demanding and provocative of the characters. One is left pondering- well if it was that simple, why didn't they do it before? I like the way the lives of several of the Chosen hang in the balance after the final page of the book however. We can only guess what Moridin's plans are now...presumably they would involve the True Power in some shape or form
Tbh, my favorite parts of book 9 were seeing Mat Cauthon's character for the first time since the middle of book 7. He must be my favorite character out of all three of the ta'vern- Perrin is too noble, Rand too obvious, Mat is a mystery to most of us as readers- Jordan's clearly holding something back with him- that's what is going to make me fork over my 6 pounds and buy book ten when it comes out
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Yet another favorite scene of mine- from Timothy Zahn's The Last Command, where C'Baoth introduces Luke to a very familiar looking figure indeed- that and the following climax made great reading- and made sense of the title.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by damo:
it was not a random insult, i found not only the topic and the idea of the topic to be pretty sad but your favourite scene out of some nerdy fantasy book corrisponded well with my instant mental image of you, haw
and CASTOR TROY you great bloated freak, you misinterpret my location message, hardly surprising as it is your nerdy kind i wrote it to make a mockery out of</font>
Just a question damo- are you trying to dig yourself a hole so deep you can't even see the sky? It would seem so.
Your description of Lord of the Rings as a "nerdy" choice smacks of an immaturity I can only begin to hint at. It's also highly hypocritical- but more of that in a moment.
The Lord of the Rings isn't just "one of the most popular books of the 20th Century" but THE most popular. The London Times editorial section said, and I quote: "The English-speaking world is divided into two halves- those that have read JRR Tolkien's the Lord of the Rings, and those who are going to." Why on earth do you think New Line Cinema and Peter Jackson have spent over 200 million dollars on the making of the feature film? To cater to a small geeky minority? Grow a brain ffs.
As to describing us as geeks- I look under your name and see: ****- Freak- 534 posts- how the hell is that not geeky? Pot calling the kettle black damo?
You may not be a geek- I don't know you(I don't want to to be perfectly honest)- but at the very least you're a horribly socially maladjusted individual. As for insulting Castor Troy- believe me, you don't know what you're letting yourself in for- any other moderator might simply edit your post to read "I am dumber than $hit, please don't kill me as a service to the online community"- but CT would just destroy you with his acerbic tone if he so chose. Rightly, he hasn't bothered. If you can't be constructive or keep a civil tongue in your head, I take great ironic pleasure in telling you to f*ck off and die.
When they let you out of your cage at feeding time, take this shovel (/me hands you a shovel) and dig that hole even deeper. I'm sure you will- people like you who get a kick out of posting negative criticism without a thought to other people's feelings always come back for more. I can rest safe in the assurance that I will soon hear the busy scraping of a borrowed shovel as you write your next post. Look forward to hearing from you soon, my poor, sad, underevolved antidiluvian(look it up
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Back on topic- another scene I should include is from Hemmingway's A Farewell to Arms- the anticlimactic hospital scene at the end is beautiful, understated sadness. Gorgeous reading if you get the chance.
Bob the Unlucky Octopus
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Evil Phil:
The end of "Kalki" - Gore Vidal (of course)
The Riding of the Sandworms and the final battle near the end of Dune
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aye, agreed.
Sturm's funeral - The Dragon Lance Chronicles
All of The Crow Road by Iain Banks
Couldn't agree more- although his stand on the castle walls comes a close second for me. I actually hear the hymn "Huma...deliver him" after reading that part-seriously- and the starjewel gives the plot that extra dimension. Definately Weiss and Hickman's best set of novels, those.
Couple more scenes to remember- Boo Radley's rescue of Scout in To Kill a Mockingbird, and the last 20 pages of the Great Gatsby- some great pathos there
Oh, and one more...the descriptive scene of Smaug from the Hobbit- it just gives me the clearest picture of a dragon I've ever read in a book.
Bob the Unlucky Octopus
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I like the scene in Kernigan and Ritchie where they explain pointers.
- The game scenes in "The Player of Games", all of them were very intense [1]
- Multiple different battles etc from Peter F Hamilton "Nights Dawn" trilogy, there's too many in 3000+ pages of excellent sf to differentiate
- ASIMOV (he just deserves his name in lights) - Foundation series when they find the library (can't remember which book, damn I need to read all those again!)
Thats a few off the top of me head
Al.
1. Banks rules! Must read the new one - didn't sneek a peek at your post butcher.0 -
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Of course it's simplistic and melodramatic- but many of the best stories are. The character development in LOTR is fantastic, even if the plot and pathos are left wanting at times. Then again, personal taste is the ultimate judge here- here's an example:
Let us consider a thought experiment- a certain poster on boards.ie(who shall remain nameless) really enjoys the film American Pie- one of the worst films ever made in cinematic terms. I'll hold up my hand freely and say I enjoyed it- not because it was artistically constructed- but because it made me laugh ten years off my life. It was entertainment- not art- but still enjoyable for all that.
As for unimaginative plots- this same poster (still remaining nameless) let us assume, enjoyed the film "Before Sunrise". The plot may be simplicity itself, lack any originality in its construction, but the character development and the glorious romantic pathos make it a superb film!
As such, LOTR should be viewed in the same way- on some levels it's a ripping good yarn, but scratch a few layers off and the subtley of the artwork beneath is well worth reading for. Ironically, the change in scenes, time and collateral events closely resemble War&Peace, another of my favorite books. We could level the accusation at Tolstoy, proclaiming furiously that the amount of minute irritating detail he includes mid-way through the book is unecesssary- but we choose to forgive or overlook that as it is a mere speck of charcoal in a bag of gold- a truly epic story (as is LOTR )
For the time it was written at, and for the genre it created- Lord of the Rings remains a classic piece of literature- and a ripping good yarn. I wonder how many writers can claim to have accomplished as much?
Bob the Unlucky Octopus
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PS- Recognize the "mystery poster" Schwarzfahren? 0 -
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Firstly LOTR cannot be compared to modern fantasy. There's a large gap in the goal stived for by JRR Tolkein and modern writers. He strived to immerse the reader completly in a fantasy world and its deep history as do modern writers. But his work took the shape of a historical novel rather than a story.
Secondly, your eloquence and admirable articulation after announcing an account anealing another apparition aspiring adulation, , fails to hide your elec eng type backround 
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To be more specific, what I found irritating was the pathetic fallacy. I found the idea of nature's response to the morality of the charachters overbearing. Many years since reading the book, this is one of the salient complaints I have about it. Everything is hamered home a bit too much. Fine for the kids, but then again it is nice to do your own thinking on the book. Sure, it doesn't make the book less powerful, but alot of the enjoyment that comes with subtelty is lost.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bob the Unlucky Octopus:
Nice to see someone actually bothering to create a worthwhile argument in a thread
Just for the record though, I never said it was the greatest book ever written, nor do I believe as such. It was Kaiser who posted it, and in fairness if you read his post the statment was hyperbole- he was merely trying to exaggerate a point to make damo look even more ridiculous than he already did (if that was possible).
For the record, my favorite book ever written(if I absolutely had to choose) would be Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad.
However, I believe the two arguments you raise there bear a little scrutiny before I head off for some tapas. You classify the morality as simple and childish- yet I don't necessarily see those as faults in a novel. Lord of the Flies is hardly a kid's book, but it's take on morals is simplicity itself. That fact doesn't make the book any less powerful, especially towards the end. As for there being no mention of sex- disappointing, certainly, but a fundamental flaw? Probably not- there are numerous other human driving forces in Lord of the Rings-resourcefulness, courage, self-sacrifice, duty...
Besides, it's a fantasy novel- who says that the urges that drive the characters *have* to be human ones? There are millions of cultures on this planet alone- in not all of them is sex culturally important- in these cultures it merely serves a functional value within marriage. Not something I'd go for personally(not in a million years in fact)- but it's a conceivable point of view. If we're willing to include mythological works amongst the greats of literature, then Tolkien at least deserves a second look. I don't believe he's one of the greatest writers ever, but I do believe that as an average writer he produced a stunning and genre-defining work of fiction.
Now, off for some mid-morning nourishment
Bob the Unlucky Octopus
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I would fault Tolkien for shying away from developing sexual relations between the characters only I recognise that the book is aimed at younger readers. Im sorry, I just can't take LOTR seriously as anything more than an exception piece of children's literature, good and all as the story is.
Nesf: Fantasy is a genre I have never gotten into. No offence intended, but the spectre of nerdiness that has traditionally hung over it makes me cringe when I hear someone list off several fantasy titles as their "favourite books ever." I'm prob. not the best person to comment on this genre. Also, I don't see what elec. engineering has to d00011110000100110110101001010011010101000101010100101001 with anything?
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Nice to see someone actually bothering to create a worthwhile argument in a thread
Just for the record though, I never said it was the greatest book ever written, nor do I believe as such. It was Kaiser who posted it, and in fairness if you read his post the statment was hyperbole- he was merely trying to exaggerate a point to make damo look even more ridiculous than he already did (if that was possible).
For the record, my favorite book ever written(if I absolutely had to choose) would be Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad.
However, I believe the two arguments you raise there bear a little scrutiny before I head off for some tapas. You classify the morality as simple and childish- yet I don't necessarily see those as faults in a novel. Lord of the Flies is hardly a kid's book, but it's take on morals is simplicity itself. That fact doesn't make the book any less powerful, especially towards the end. As for there being no mention of sex- disappointing, certainly, but a fundamental flaw? Probably not- there are numerous other human driving forces in Lord of the Rings-resourcefulness, courage, self-sacrifice, duty...
Besides, it's a fantasy novel- who says that the urges that drive the characters *have* to be human ones? There are millions of cultures on this planet alone- in not all of them is sex culturally important- in these cultures it merely serves a functional value within marriage. Not something I'd go for personally(not in a million years in fact)- but it's a conceivable point of view. If we're willing to include mythological works amongst the greats of literature, then Tolkien at least deserves a second look. I don't believe he's one of the greatest writers ever, but I do believe that as an average writer he produced a stunning and genre-defining work of fiction.
Now, off for some mid-morning nourishment
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Schwarzfahren:
Nesf: Fantasy is a genre I have never gotten into. No offence intended, but the spectre of nerdiness that has traditionally hung over it makes me cringe when I hear someone list off several fantasy titles as their "favourite books ever." I'm prob. not the best person to comment on this genre. Also, I don't see what elec. engineering has to d00011110000100110110101001010011010101000101010100101001 with anything?
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I agree, an elec eng student could never aspire to any true level of nerd-like euphoria.
I agree about the whole pathetic fallacy thing, but you must remember the time in which he wrote the books.0 -
I assume that was a bad attempt at sarcasm. OK, EE sometimes has an image of being a nerdy course, but look @ C/M/P it is just jointed with geeks and "nerd-like euphoria" abounds!! ( no offence to any geeks<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">elec eng student could never aspire to any true level of nerd-like euphoria</font> I would ignored the sarc. & have protested tongue-in-cheek that EE too is a nerdy course too but I just remembered all the jocks who are in it for the $$$.
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I've not read it, but in The butcher boy, the scene were.. <spoiler>
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the reader actually realises the boys father is dead is supposed to be really freaky. A nice smooth decent into madness taking the reader along for the ride up to that point, its so pathetic it makes you feel sad
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There has only been a trace mentioning of 1984. And it wasnt even the best scene imho
Ive read LOTR and its still probably my favourite book, but the best and most memorable scene to my mind was in 1984.
Winston and his girlfriend are in their rented "apartment" above the shop just before they get captured by the thought police.
Its something like:
"'We are the dead' said Winston.
'We are the dead' echoed [insert womans name].
'You are the dead' came a voice from the wall"
Anyway, it was just great the way the tension about the thought police had been built up and at that moment you felt they were totally safe and *bam* they are caught.
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