Braveheart

Von

FREEEEEEEDOM!

Brit bashing is all well and good but why make Robert De Bruce out to be a wally?

Bard

... because it worked well in the story... It IS just a story you know - a work of fiction (albeit a very well told one). It's not meant to be 100% historically accurate... which is just as well

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Bard

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Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

Magwitch

William Wallace did exist, and did know The Bruce who it is speculated did betray him to the English in the end. As a revolutionary however he was far more hardcore than the movie. His sword belt was fashioned from the skin of an English Baliff (charming).


The film is much fiction with alot of liberties, but Wallace did score major victories over the English on the field. Alot of the film is pure fiction, that I agree, but The Bruce did liberate scotland on the back of Wallaces efforts. It did contain more than a grain of truth about Wallace and his movement but this was lost in the fervor about Brit-Bashing for/against that followed the movies release.

entropi

Braveheart is the best movie i've ever seen and wouldn't diss it ever.Robert the Bruce was a traitor but wouldn't have gotten where he was if wallace didn't take such a liberal view to kill all the english(which i am grateful for) and help scotland to victory over the english.BTW, it's the only film i've shed a few tears to,and thats hard to do.

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Pigman II

It's on now and Have to say I enjoyed the scene where Number6 throws the bender out of the window for overstepping the line. Proper order.

Pepe LeFrits

The trouble with Scotland, is that its full of Scots!

Great movie.

TerrorFirmer

Pigman II wrote: »

It's on now and Have to say I enjoyed the scene where Number6 throws the bender out of the window for overstepping the line. Proper order.

Just saw that bit too. Initially flicked it on just to watch one battle scene I happened to stumble upon, ended up watching it.

Any other good films of this sort? I can only think of Joan of Arc with Mila Jouvovich, which was pretty good as well. Dark Prince was also worth a watch.

collie1

im gonna pick a fight

what a classic movie

Killaqueen!!!

The freedom scene always sends a shiver through my body! Classic movie. Love the soundtrack too

Karl Hungus

Well done Pigman, for dragging up a thread from 7 years ago.

smellslikeshoes

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Well done Pigman, for dragging up a thread from 7 years ago.

Gotta be the biggest bump Ive seen on boards

Tusky

...and they gained their freedom...forever

Errr, they are still ruled by England!

Bard

Wow, I forgot that my sig used to say that... ("Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps"). Cool.

Vic Vinegar

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Well done Pigman, for dragging up a thread from 7 years ago.

How come you're not locking this man? you locked a thread last week that was resurrected after 3 years..... Isn't that what the French call double standards?

L31mr0d

well because its relevant, the movie was on last night and pigman II wanted to discuss it. I actually prefer people resurrecting old threads then starting new ones about the same topic

I watched it last night also. Great movie, the final moment where he shouts "freedom" is epic. That whole scene has to be one of the best from recent movies. The musical score and the camera work is second to none.

Vic Vinegar

L31mr0d wrote: »

well because its relevant, the movie was on last night and pigman II wanted to discuss it. I actually prefer people resurrecting old threads then starting new ones about the same topic

Surely if someone wants to talk about a film that makes it relevant? it was relevant to the other guy in the other thread but that didn't stop it being closed. It's no skin off my nose like, i'm just curious!

guinnessdrinker

Oh and that evil English King, telling his commander to send in the Irish before they use the arrows because the arrows cost money!

It was a great movie, I remember going to see it with a group of friends one weekend and I think it was the last movie I was at where there was an interlude.

Guy:Incognito

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Oh and that evil English King, telling his commander to send in the Irish before they use the arrows because the arrows cost money!
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Meh. Much the same was done in the Somme.

Foreign consripts make great cannon fodder.

stereoroid

Von wrote: »

FREEEEEEEDOM!

Brit bashing is all well and good but why make Robert De Bruce out to be a wally?

He was something of a wally... he split from William Wallace to negotiate with Edward I in 1303, and in 1304 he attacked another noble (John Comyn) in a church, under truce, which basically cost him all his allies on both sides. By 1306 he was at war with England again - but not after hanging Wallace out to dry in 1305.

Just to complicate matters, he sent an army (under his brother Edward) to invade Ireland in 1315, supposedly to attack the English there, but (surprise surprise) he didn't get much support beyond Ulster, and the army was eventually defeated at Faughart.

He may be buried in my hometown (Dunfermline), but I still think he was a bit of a wally...

Gillie

Tusky wrote: »

...and they gained their freedom...forever

Errr, they are still ruled by England!

AFAIK the line doesn't include "forever"