Wsop 2005

Shortstack

Event list for 2005 WSOP.

Shall we charter a flight ?

Interesting discussion on the camels blog about the WSOP.
The camel ruminates

Date Tournament Buy-In
June 2, Thursday Casino Employee No-limit Hold'em $500
June 3, Friday No-limit Hold'em $1,500
June 4, Saturday Pot-limit Hold'em $1,500
June 5, Sunday Limit Hold'em $1,500
June 6, Monday Omaha Hi-low Split $1,500
June 7, Tuesday Short Handed (6/table)No-limit Hold'em $2,500
June 8, Wednesday No-limit Hold'em w/rebuys $1,000
June 9, Thursday Seven Card Stud $1,500
June 10, Friday No-limit Hold'em $2,000
June 11, Saturday Limit Hold'em $2,000
June 12, Sunday Pot-limit Hold'em $2,000
June 13, Monday Pot-limit Omaha w/re-buys $2,000
June 14, Tuesday No-limit Hold'em $5,000
June 15, Wednesday Seven Card Stud Hi-low Split $1,000
June 16, Thursday Limit Hold'em Shootout $1,500
June 17, Friday No-limit Hold'em Shootout $1,500
June 18, Saturday Limit Hold'em $2,500
June 19, Sunday Seven Card Stud Hi-low Split $2,000
June 19, Sunday Pot Limit Omaha $1,500
June 20, Monday Pot-limit Hold'em $5,000
June 21, Tuesday Omaha Hi-low Split $2,500
June 22, Wednesday No-limit Hold'em $1,500
June 23, Thursday Seven Card Stud $5,000
June 24, Friday No-Limit Hold'em $2,500
June 25, Saturday Pot-limit Hold'em $2,500
June 26, Sunday Ladies No-limit Hold'em $1,000
June 26, Sunday Pot-limit Omaha w/re-buys $5,000
June 27, Monday Limit Hold'em $5,000
June 28, Tuesday No-limit Hold'em $2,000
June 29, Wednesday Seven Card Razz $1,500
June 29, Wednesday Short handed (6/table) No-limit Hold'em $5,000
June 30, Thursday Omaha hi-low split $5,000
July 1, Friday No-limit Hold'em $3,000
July 2, Saturday Seniors No-Limit Hold'em $1,000
July 2, Saturday Pot-limit Omaha $10,000
July 3, Sunday Limit Hold'em $3,000
July 4, Monday No-limit Hold'em w/re-buys $1,000
July 5, Tuesday Super satellite day (10a.m./3p.m./8p.m.) $1,000
July 5, Tuesday No-limit 2 to 7 Draw Lowball w/re-buys $5,000
July 6, Wednesday Super satellite day (9a.m./2p.m./9p.m.)
July 6, Wednesday Media/Celebrity Event

No Limit Texas Hold'em World Championship: Date Tournament Buy-In

July 7, Thursday Day 1A, First 1,000 - 2,200 play to 500-650 $10,000
July 8, Friday Day 1B, Second 1,000 - 2,200 play to 500-650
July 9, Saturday Day 1C, Third 1,000 - 2,200 play to 500-650
July 10, Sunday Day 2, Play down to 500-1,000
July 11, Monday Day 3, Play down to 200-400
July 11, Monday No-limit Hold'em 1-day event $1,500
July 12, Tuesday Day 4, Play down to 100-150
July 12, Tuesday No-limit Hold'em 1-day event $1,000
July 13, Wednesday Day 5, Play down to 27
July 13, Wednesday No-limit Hold'em 1-day event $1,000
July 14, Thursday Day 6, Play down to 9 (Binion's Horseshoe)
July 15, Friday Day 7, Final table (Binion's Horseshoe)

DeVore

Isnt the Gutshot collective chartering a flight?

I dont know if I want to go to the states because of the biometric data capture they have put in place now. Big brother doesnt play poker....

DeV.

MrPudding

Gutshot sent 16 bodies last year. I reckon they will be looking to beat that thi syear alright.

I feel the same way about going to the states. My only concern is tha even if Kerry gets in he won't roll back the big brother stuff.

MrP

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DeVore wrote:

Isnt the Gutshot collective chartering a flight?

I dont know if I want to go to the states because of the biometric data capture they have put in place now. Big brother doesnt play poker....

DeV.

I would be interested to know the problems that you have with the 'biometric data capture' stuff. Have you got something to hide?
In what way does this infringe upon your personal liberty?
I went to the states recently and had my fingerprints taken as part of my visa application. From what I can see, it is just an extra security measure and a very effective one at that. Bear in mind that Biometric Security Software is my line of business but I do hear this scaremongering quite a lot and just don't get it. This stuff is not going to go away, even wiith the next US administration. Huge projects have already been kicked off in the EU, Australia, UK and Middle East. Time to get used to it me thinks.

Mark.

mewso

I just prefer the way the Fitz does it

Oh wait a minute standard response to Mark not appropriate. Sorry
Perhaps if you explained the process Mark. Do we end up in a database?

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musician wrote:

Do we end up in a database?

You are always going to end up in a database so that is nothing new. Where before your passport #, name address etc were stored, now your biometric credentials, be they Iris, Finger or Face are stored also. Muso, this could be a problem for you as the FBI would have access to your credentials so you would neeed to be extra vigialant about leaving your fingerprints at the scenes of any crimes that you commit in Las Vegas.

DeVore

"Anyone who would trade their freedom for safety deserves neither freedom or safety."

Ironic isnt it, that quote is from "Ben Franklin", one of the founding fathers of the States.

I'm already encoded in the FBI database for being an "activist" because of Boards, Amnesty International and a civil rights group I started for freedom of speech on the internet back in the early 90's. I've had two run ins with these people in the course of going about what I consider my normal life. I'm not a troublemaker, I'm not a radical and yet....

Explain to me why these people NEED this information? Explicitly. Dont give me the "good of the nation" rubbish.
Fingerprinting is only useful if you already have the person on file as a terrorist.
Suicide bombers tend not to be repeat offenders.

How about the fact that librarians (yes librarians, those well known, bespeckled anarchist and troublemakers) are refusing to hand over lists of books that their customers are checking out... link

Ok, I didnt just make that up. The US gov is requesting lists of the BOOKS people are checking out to read. If that doesnt set off alarm bells about their understanding of "privacy" I dont know what will.

The argument "why, do you have something to hide" is about the worst I can conceive of. I dont have to come up with a reason to disagree with being tagged like cattle. I believe the onus of conviction is on you and them.
How does this make me safer? How and where will this information be used? If we start to use biometrics for other purposes how will you ensure they arent cross-referenced (finger print identification for voting... cross referenced with your home address... If you think the current administration wouldnt do something naughty with that I have one word for you: Florida)

Theres so much more I could write on why this is misdirection on a GLOBAL scale but I'd rather just link this pithy image.



Go back to sleep America, your government is in charge.

DeV.

Hyzepher

This is the poker forum? - isn't it?

Is it? Oh God tell me it is!!

We might have to take biometric information to access this forum just so I can sell it on ebay and make a packet.

Of course retina scans would be out as most of you are bloodshot from late night pokering (that word just brings up so many different type of images). So I'll have to resort to collecting discarded hole cards from the Fitz.

You have been warned.

Hyzepher

karlh

A compulsory cavity search couldn't keep me from a seat in the WSOP.

Hectorjelly

This is a great article on the safety measures employed by the US, utilising cost benefit analysis:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/fishsupreme/41181.html

pokertroll

Ben Franklin wrote:

Anyone who would trade their freedom for safety deserves neither freedom or safety."

Tell me one bit of freedom that you are losing in this instance?

DeVore wrote:

Explain to me why these people NEED this information? Explicitly. Dont give me the "good of the nation" rubbish.

They only need this information so that they can verify that you are who you say you are. Whats wrong with that? We already use passports and driving licences etc but this paper based documentation has its limitations. This isn't only to their benefit. It is to your benefit also. It makes it impossible for somebody to pass themselves off as yourself.
It negates the possibitity of identity thefts, making it impossible for somebody to claim more than one identity. There are major economic benefits also - elimination of welfare fraud, refugee control etc

DeVore wrote:

If we start to use biometrics for other purposes how will you ensure they arent cross-referenced (finger print identification for voting... cross referenced with your home address...

Sure they already know your home address when you are voting. Biometrics will eliminate dupes, thus ensuring that a person can vote only once - this is certainly not the case now. Is this not a good thing?

DeVore wrote:

I dont have to come up with a reason to disagree with being tagged like cattle

You are already tagged - biometrics is about recording the unique tags that nature has already given you. Its not llike they are implanting chips in your skull or anything like that.

There is no need to attibute innovations in this area to the Bush administration. It has absolutely nothing to do with him. This is the next generation of Security and was conceived of well before this administration took charge. Biometrics projects are being implemented all over the world right now.

DeVore

So Hyzepher you have been pokering your hole cards eh?! fnarr...

Karl, I didnt say they would keep me from a seat did I? (10 large is keeping me from that!)

DeV.

DeVore

This isnt the politics forum so I didnt really want to get into a debate over this (I will over a pint sometime though!).

However you say:

There is no need to attibute innovations in this area to the Bush administration. It has absolutely nothing to do with him. This is the next generation of Security and was conceived of well before this administration took charge. Biometrics projects are being implemented all over the world right now.

No, its true that the Bush administration didnt innovate these solutions. But they'll have no qualms about using them for far more nefarious uses.

Dont tell me all the good things I get with biometrics, tell me how you will stop all the bad things about it.

We already use passports and driving licences etc but this paper based documentation has its limitations.

I like those limitations!
You neatly avoided the question of "how do you convince me that this information isnt going to be cross referenced, used to quell valid dissent and protest, or generally used for purposes it wasnt intended for. Either by this administration or the next. Or the one after that.

Its not llike they are implanting chips in your skull or anything like that.

Whats wrong with implanting a Blue Tooth chip under your skin to make the whole process automatic, you could just walk through a sensor... no need to even scan your finger prints etc...
I mean, you dont have anything to hide... do you?

DeV.

Shortstack

Didn't think posting this list would create such a debate!

Anyone who objects to a fingerprint scan is being just slightly over sensitive IMHO. I am not and never have much of politician and normally try to refrain from commenting, but sometimes I cannot help myself!

We live in a world of many different views and opinions and everyone is entitled to their own. Unfortunatley some of these views and opinions are backed by extreme actions. I cannot make up my mind whether Bush was right to go into Iraq. But what I do know is that it was wrong to fly planes into the twin towers and beheading innocent hostages is also wrong.

The Americans and any other country for that matter has every right in my mind to do what ever they like ( Without causing harm to anyone ) to stop things like this happening. Some of these things may do nothing other than make a few of their citizens feel like something is being done. Others, most likely things we humble ordinary citizens know nothing about, may make more of a difference.

As it stands, barring starting from scratch again, be it another Big bang or Adam Eve depending on your beliefs, nothing is going to stop these atrocities from happening completely.

If you want to pass up the opportunity to partcipate in the biggest festival of poker ever based on those objections then that is fine. The less above average players there the better!

Hyzepher

OK - please get back on topic or get on over to the Politics forum.

Hyzepher

DeVore

In that field I'd be fairly certain I'd be "below average" if not "dead money"!

I still havent decided yet about going or not but the Homeland BullyBoys certainly swing things towards the "no!" side. (I encountered them on the way to Canada this year).

Hopefully someone sees sense and allows holiday makers to pass unbranded.

The WSOP might be a wet squib this year too, as I've read some very angry commentary about it (check out the Hendon Mob forum). I might save my cash and my time and go to one of the EPT events instead. Aruba might be nice!

All the same, there is something about Vegas and the WSOP that makes it the Mecca of poker, we must all visit it at least once in our life time.

DeV.