robbed by pikeys

invincibleirish

dunno if this is the correct forum but anyway im just letting off a bit of steam by writing this,last night on my way home i was robbed by a couple of pikeys,for anyone who knows limerick it was past castletroy shopping centre by the halting site on the dublin road.
I feel stupid though coz i should have known better then to be walking on my own late at night around there.
What really gets me though is the manner in which they got my money which pisses me off as it makes me feel like a wuss in that i was approached by the first guy looking for money and,on seeing his mate up ahead already watching me gave him a couple of euro after trying to talk my way out of it,that guy was not actually threatening towards me(just asked money for fags but i could tell already trouble was coming) and i hoped the couple of euro would see them off,i was wrong the next guy came up to me wanting money and i told him that id given his mate all i had,but he went mad and started giving out to me and pointed to the bushes and said that i'd be found in there and all that and he punched and kicked me a few times,i relented pretty much straight away and he got my cash (20euro) and im grateful he did not take my fone.
but also what im trying to say is that i felt so ****ing helpless in that situation.i was always confident i can handle myself physically in a situation ya know and its just i cant believe i caved in so easily,when i got home id built up a head of steam and was just boiling with rage at myself for lying down and all that.
So really i dunno,as i said im just typing this to let off steam as i said and there isnt really anything that can be done,i didnt call the guards as ive witnessed their ineptitude on matters like these before and the like,its not the money thats bothering me or whatever its just,like i said,it that i felt so helpless.

quarryman

i say shrug it off and not let it get to you. consider it as a lesson learned. you might have got the **** kicked out of you and as it stands you're just down €20ish.

next time it happens you might have a few swings at them, at least to give you some satisfaction when nursing the wounds later.

don't worry about it.

Mr E

I know where that is.... scumbags. You're better off not fighting them, though. They wouldn't think twice about pulling a weapon on you. They also could have had others lying in wait if you gave any trouble.

€20 and a scare is better than a night in casualty (or worse).

I'd still report it, though....

Dr. Loon

You're really best off lettin pikeys away with it. They really would kill you.

RE*AC*TOR

wow, i would love to have had pepper spray in that situation. Did you say soemthing about bushes? Eat spray you pikey bastard! and so on and so forth.
But in the absence of such illegal devices, i'd prefer losing twenty quid to getting the crap kicked out of me.

JW123

Definitely report it, I know the cops mightn't do much but the little fu*kers are going to just keep doing it again and again. They need to be sorted out

Sleepy

This is EXACTLY why I think we should be allowed carry pepper spray. Scumbags like these ARE ALREADY armed illegally. Why can't it be legal for us to even the odds?

DapperGent

Essentially you paid them €20 to not beat you up. You were on their turf and out numbered, if you'd done anything else you could well be in hospital right now berating yourself for abject stupidity rather than sitting at home undeservedly berating yourself for cowardice.

This is simply the way of things. You are a functioning member of society those who robbed you are not. Personally I'd go get the police and have the pair arrested. Police, insurance, the courts etc. are there so that normal people don't have to risk getting beaten up to protect their property.

You did the right thing. Don't beat yourself up about it.

ferdi

****ing pikeys

invincibleirish

i was telling a guy who is from limerick about it in college today and he was saying that the guys who robbed me were probably the same guys from there who have a pretty hefty reputation around limerick and he said it was best that i did not fight back or run or else they would really kick the **** out of me so i dunno really.
i dont think i'll report it though as same guy was saying that the cops wouldnt give a **** and if it ever did come to court or whatever there is no way im going to give testimony against them and have half the pikeys in limerick out after me,i suppose you're right and just count myself lucky it was'nt worse and all that,but still,i have to walk past again today when im finished college and for the rest of week til i move into proper digs away from castletroy,i walked by this morning and it was grand as it was 8:30am and pikeys would be sleeping and traffic was heavy so i wasnt ****ting myself though obviously i was pretty wary

Zulu

...and I got negative karma in another thread for calling them knackers. :rolleyes:
Decent, law-abiding citizens indeed.

Sorry to hear that buddy. Don't beat yourself up over it though. If you had faught, they would have gotten your money, and given you a beating for it. You saved your self a beating - smart move.

Havelock

invincibleirish wrote:

i dont think i'll report it though as same guy was saying that the cops wouldnt give a **** and if it ever did come to court or whatever there is no way im going to give testimony against them and have half the pikeys in limerick out after me,i suppose you're right and just count myself lucky it was'nt worse and all that,

This is the problem, good people are just beat down to such a point that they refuse to fight back though the legal system. Thats what it is there for. Jesus, I've had friends and family walk away from their responsablity to socity to put these f**kers away. It doesn't matter if its getting beat up, intmidated or raped. Report it and follow through. Make sure it doesn't happen to some one else.

As for what you did in the situation, bar being armed, an althic level sprinter or martial arts expert, you did the right thing. Anything else would have just had you in more trouble. I've been there before, and where you don't fight, you berate your self for being a coward, and when you do fight, you wonder if maybe you souldn't have.

Zulu

Havelocks made a very good point - it's your responsibility to the next person to make sure this dosen't happen to them.

At least report it. If they do it to 20 people in a week, and everyone reports it - the Gaurds have to do something about it.

DapperGent

Havelock wrote:

This is the problem, good people are just beat down to such a point that they refuse to fight back though the legal system. Thats what it is there for. Jesus, I've had friends and family walk away from their responsablity to socity to put these f**kers away. It doesn't matter if its getting beat up, intmidated or raped. Report it and follow through. Make sure it doesn't happen to some one else.

That's very brave until you find yourself in the same situation.

I've had a relative badly beaten up, then try to prosecute the offenders through the courts. He was told if he didn't stop that his girlfriend would be raped and if they couldn't get his girlfriend they'd get someone else close to him. These are the sort of people you believe.

The fact of the matter is that the state doesn't have the type of systems in place to prevent intimidation. If indeed those type of systems are feasible in the case of something as common as assault or robbery.

When questioned about the irresponsibilty of allowing people to get away with vicious assaults, this relative made the point that the irresponsible thing would be to put his loved ones in danger with no prospect of protection. As one of those who could well have been at risk of retribution, I tended to agree.

When you have relatives across an entire town and someone says they'll do bad things to them if you don't stop and you know they will, what do you do?

You give in. As you know you have to. This, again, is simply the way of things. No amount of noble sentiment can change the fact that when you are dealing in isolation with people with no moral of ethical code, they win.

invincibleirish

its on my mind most certainly to report it,but as i said before i dunno,coz they are pikeys and apparently "known" it wouldnt be beyond the realms of possiblity that they could be perhaps be brought up in court,thing is:

1)courts are crap,could very well get just ****ty fines/warnings

2)they are pikeys,they see me in court they know who i am,maybe its paranoia but they could very well get revenge,pikeys do those kind of things

this leads to the fact that limerick city is a small place it would not be exactly hard i imagine to "run" into people if you know what i mean


but point taken if someone elsee does get attacked by them then i its patly my fault,.but i dunno,tbh............

Havelock

It has happened to me, it never even went as far as the courts and they walked (Lack of evidence). It has happened to friends and the attackers have been put in jail or fined. It happened to a relative and she ran away and then it happened to her friend and can't forgive her self.

Its better to try and fail, than to never try.

Intimdation only works because we allow it, its a social thing. Same way police have attority, or politians. We the people give them the power, if we give into intimadation we are giving "them" power. When I presued my case I was beaten up agin to stop me, but I presued it still and they backed off. I think people have lost their sense of personal power and community. What would happen in a small community if these attackers were excluded, not severed in shops and pubs (barred even)?
Look at what happens when communities come together to push drug dealers out estates and all. It works.

We the people, united, can never be broken.

Sorry for getting all politicial, but its more than just a slogan, its a truth. Will refrane from any more political remarks on this tread.

Bepetki

Hey, keep your chin up and be proud. Given the circumstances, you came away with the best possible permutation. You were threatened for money, you gave it, realistically speaking it's not gonna break the bank, you still have your phone, and most importantly, your health. So you took a couple of digs... a slap on the ear is better than broken nose where the tears flow, snot comes gushing out and you are completely vulnerable.

We may have social systems in place to deal with these situations, but I like to see the world as a jungle. It's nasty and tough but you just have to deal with it. It's survival of the fittest and that means he who adapts best survives longest. You adapted and you survived. Good man!

Y'know, Travellers have it the toughest. Imagine having to live like they do? They are the hyenas of the urban world. It's easy to give them stick, but they have a very hard and difficult life. I don't want to sound condescending, but a lot of them really don't know any better. It's how they live - you just gotta keep out of their way.

I was mugged by a couple of junkies in Dublin. They came into my flat, took £27 and kept my girlfriend and me at syringe point (and screwdriver point) for over 20 minutes. I have also been practising martial arts for over 15 years and I was not equipped to deal with that situation physically. But psychologically I won. Both my girlfriend and I are safe. Six years later, that's all that matters.

Ask yourself this. Could it have been worse? If the answer is yes, then you won. Like I say, keep your chin up, pat yourself on the back and take the experience as just that... an experience.

PS Call the feds and tell them. They may not be able to do anything, but who knows... it might help someone else down the line.

mjn

Bepetki wrote:

I was mugged by a couple of junkies in Dublin. They came into my flat, took £27 and kept my girlfriend and me at syringe point (and screwdriver point) for over 20 minutes. I have also been practising martial arts for over 15 years and I was not equipped to deal with that situation physically. But psychologically I won. Both my girlfriend and I are safe. Six years later, that's all that matters.

After 15 years of martial arts training, you should be able to defend yourself and your girlfriend against a number of attacks!

Either you're rubbish, or you're doing something a pretend martial art like cardio kick-boxing / Tae-Bo!!

Havelock

No, he was probably protecting him and his girlfriend from disease or sever physcial harm. One thing one is taugt doing martial arts is the importance of not using it irrationally.

impr0v

Tell your sensei that 15 years is too long to wait before learning the flaming anti-syringe punch and counter-screwdriver kick.

And origami isn't technically a martial art.




Being serious, 27 euro is definitely worth paying to avoid the risks inherent in fighting them in a 2 vs 1 situation in a confined space, with them armed , and you having to protect your girlfriend. There is also a danger of you being legally responsible if you did any damage to them.

DapperGent

Using your martial arts training on a guy with a syringe possibly containing an untreatable disease and almost certianly containing some strain of Hepatitis, is an episode of natural selection.

Those who are more brave than clever have been dying young since the dawn of time. Perhaps you'll get the opportunity to give it a go at some stage mjn.

Mr E

Fighting back against junkies in the street is one thing, but fighting back while in your own home isn't too sharp. He'll come back with his mates a few hours/days/weeks later, and you'll wish you hadn't touched him. Common sense....

mjn

mmm.....what a choice, give my money to some low life, or fight and keep it....

people have tried to mug me on my own doorstep, and i didn't give them a penny....plus if everybody just gives in, and parts with their money, the common thief has won.

I've also helped people getting mugged in the street....so was i stupid / rash then? OR should i have continued to walk past, and let the girl get mugged?

murphaph

I fcuking hate knackers. Napalm the whole fcuking lot of 'em.

and yes, I do have experience of those thieving c*nts shoplifting from our family business. They have ZERO morals and would not have hesitated to slash your face open. €20 is not a lot of money and you're better off in one piece mate but I know how you feel.

This country is way too soft on it's anti-social element. Time the silent majority were listened too.

Havelock

I wasn't saying he shouldn't have done something, but he did the right thing not fighting whie they had him and his girlfriend at syringe point.

You can do something afterwards, report it to the police, follow it up, hound the police, write a letter to your local paper or any trashy tabloid, provide a disription, if you see the bastard on the street follow him and inform the police.

I wouldn't fight if someone had myself and someone I loved at syringe point. Wouldn't be able to live with myself if the other person came to harm.

It is time for a change in this whole reform, treatment, light fines and short soft prison time. Where are harsh sentences, chemical or physical castration, forced labour, work camps? I don't think a convict should just spend X amounts of years locked away in the warmth, with cable, pool and fed 3 hot meals a day. He/she should have to work 9 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, for the good of the socity they damaged or refused to take part in. They should at least provide enought revenue to pay for their incarsiration.

DirtyDog

Robbing Ba**ards the lot of them. I know how you feel but be thankful all they hurt was your pride.

If you dont get over it - stalk them find out which caravan and petrol bomb it late at night AFTER u bolt the door.

mjn

Havelock wrote:

I wasn't saying he shouldn't have done something, but he did the right thing not fighting whie they had him and his girlfriend at syringe point.

Wrong, he should have never got into situation in the first place. A bit of vision, and common sense, wouldn't have gone a miss here!

After 15 years of training, we'll assume he got a black belt, in his choosen martial art, he should have learnt some perception of reading a situation.

fragile

I caught a bunch of them fu(kers running off after breaking into my house in Elm Park, I gave chase but they outran me (probably for the best). Turns out they found a pile of cash that was supposed to pay the rent in one of the rooms.

The Gardai did fu(k all, they said if it was a TV or something like that they could search the caravans, but they couldn't do anything to help me if it was just cash they took.

A few years ago they used to wait inside the Hurlers entrance to Elm Park laste at night with a big plank and knock whatever poor sod came along on his own unconcious, and root through his pockets for cash. Happened to two of my mates, and both of them ended up in Casualty.

They have no morals, no interest in being a part of society, no human dignity and I agree with murphaph, napalm the whole fu(king lot of them.

What really gets to me is the parents, what kind of parent would choose to send their child out begging and stealing instead of getting an education and a responsible upbringing. If a settled family treated their child like this, the child would be taken off them and they would put in jail.

Sleepy

Havelock wrote:

It is time for a change in this whole reform, treatment, light fines and short soft prison time. Where are harsh sentences, chemical or physical castration, forced labour, work camps? I don't think a convict should just spend X amounts of years locked away in the warmth, with cable, pool and fed 3 hot meals a day. He/she should have to work 9 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, for the good of the socity they damaged or refused to take part in. They should at least provide enought revenue to pay for their incarsiration.

I couldn't agree more. Until we have a police force and justice system that can protect the law-abiding, however, you wouldn't catch me reporting a couple of travellers for mugging me. I value my life and know that in our climate, I'd be killed for it. And the scumbag who killed me would be paroled in less than ten years. Doesn't seem worth it to me. I see your point Havelock but a system like you suggest requires solidarity of the people. I just can't see that in our materialistic and narcisistic society.

Bepetki

mjn wrote:

Wrong, he should have never got into situation in the first place. A bit of vision, and common sense, wouldn't have gone a miss here!
After 15 years of training, we'll assume he got a black belt, in his choosen martial art, he should have learnt some perception of reading a situation.

Mjn... I've dealt with people who harbour the same attitudes as you and to be frank I won't entertain your distorted sense of machismo and warped ego. You would be the first to crumble under that kind of pressure. You are also making judgements on a paragraph of text that really doesn't encapsulate the horror of what we went through that night. So, with all due respect, CAN IT.

mjn wrote:

Either you're rubbish, or you're doing something a pretend martial art like cardio kick-boxing / Tae-Bo!!

I have studied Shotokan, Kenpo and stick fighting. I have fought and won tournaments. I can handle myself, but I know a) when to use it and b) when not to use it. This situation required not using it. I presume that this is what you mean by "learning some perception of reading a situation". It is simply because I know how these situations can get that I did nothing - in the interest of (primarily) my girlfriends safety, and (secondly) my own safety - I believed the burglars would eventually leave us without inflicting serious harm. If the situation escalated I may have had to review that. Luckily it did not. Neither she nor I were touched.

mjn wrote:

people have tried to mug me on my own doorstep, and i didn't give them a penny....plus if everybody just gives in, and parts with their money, the common thief has won.

I've also helped people getting mugged in the street....so was i stupid / rash then? OR should i have continued to walk past, and let the girl get mugged?

Wow... maybe you should wear a red cape and boots and take up the mantle of the late Mr. Reeve's character! I have never read such self-inflated trash come from one person before! Unbelieveable...

Zulu

mjn wrote:

Wrong, he should have never got into situation in the first place. A bit of vision, and common sense, wouldn't have gone a miss here!

After 15 years of training, we'll assume he got a black belt, in his choosen martial art, he should have learnt some perception of reading a situation.

Mjn was exposed to a revolutionary scientific experiment during the 80's.
As a young boy, he was subjected to every and any Ninja action movie produced in the 80's for 16 hours a day.

The result are conclusive.

Gordon

Please keep it civil. Also remarks such as destroying certain species with napalm does not bode ye well. So as Bru always says: keep it civil, again.

fragile wrote:

What really gets to me is the parents, what kind of parent would choose to send their child out begging and stealing instead of getting an education and a responsible upbringing.

Probably the kind of parent that had a similar upbringing themselves.

Mercury_Tilt

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mjn

what can i say?

my ego isn't big.....i don't want to wear read boots and a cape...BUT i'm not going to give in to some low life piece of scum, especially on my own doorstep! Nor am i going to stand by and let a helpless girl get mugged.

I'd rather help someone, even a stranger, rather than just walk past and think, "doesn't matter, somebody else will help" or "what if I get hurt?" and watch the news the following morning and discover she was beaten to within an inch of her life.

Plus, there's a difference between winning tournaments and defending yourself.

Magic_Roundabou

Getting back to the pepper spray. I've been carrying pepper spray in my jacket pocket for about a year now in case I have to deal with a scumbag trying to rob me (had a near miss and the athmosphere in town makes you fell like you need an edge). Just ordered it from the US over the net (they even had family packs of the stuff !!!) and it only cost about 20 euro. Hasn't been fired in anger yet.

Anyone know the exact legality of it ??? While its obviously something the law wouldn't take to, is carrying it specifically disallowed ??? Since it would be so rare over here, I doubt the law has classified it.

OfflerCrocGod

Gordon wrote:

Please keep it civil. Also remarks such as destroying certain species with napalm does not bode ye well. So as Bru always says: keep it civil, again.

Now invincibleirish don't you wish ya had Gordon there that night to scold the knackers for you. A mention of Bru and they would have legged it

impr0v

Magic_Roundabou wrote:

Getting back to the pepper spray. I've been carrying pepper spray in my jacket pocket for about a year now in case I have to deal with a scumbag trying to rob me (had a near miss and the athmosphere in town makes you fell like you need an edge). Just ordered it from the US over the net (they even had family packs of the stuff !!!) and it only cost about 20 euro. Hasn't been fired in anger yet.

Anyone know the exact legality of it ??? While its obviously something the law wouldn't take to, is carrying it specifically disallowed ??? Since it would be so rare over here, I doubt the law has classified it.

It's actually classed as a firearm in the relevant legislation and is illegal to possess without a licence.

Esel

mjn and inpr0v, your breaths smell.

Maybe the syringe was at his girlfriend's neck?

Healio

Lets get St.Patrick back to drive them all out, tell him he left a few snakes behind.

Or else Vigilanteism could work.

cleansingfire

This, again, is simply the way of things

Incomplete.

This is the way things have gone because..........................


I welcome suggestions for the reasons.

Havelock

Gordon wrote:

Also remarks such as destroying certain species with napalm does not bode ye well.

Anyone else pick up on that? I presume you meant peoples.

Tiriel

so is it legal in the States?

billy the squid

Your best bet is to report it to the guards. Yeah they might do nothing, but if you report it and hound them then they will get up off their butts and do something. The more people that report these crimes the higher the chances are of the likes of the County Council to shut the halting site down.

Limerick City Council for example has already started evicting its tennants from houses for anti-social behaviour. There is work in progress to remove a certain family of travelers from a halting site on the south side of the city. This might even be the same group that imortalirish is referring to.

As much as I would disagree with people "painting everyone with the same brush" I would say that if a certain community of people cannot behave themselves then they should be moved along.

Who runs the halting site immortal, is it Limerick City or County Council, I would suggest that you make a report of anti-social behaviour to the relavent authority, Limerick City Council to the best of my knowledge keep names and addresses of complainants confidential.

Also scream from the rooftops contact both local papers in Limerick and at least warn others that there are troublemakers hanging around that area and say how it should be avoided. If you ask the papers to keep your name out of the story then they will

http://www.limerickpost.ie has an email address
http://www.limerick-leader.ie also has an email address.

hope some of this you find usefull

as for napalming the "pikeys" I won't even dignify that with a reply.

oh yeah one moe media outlet for you to consider using

limericktoday@live95fm.ie

DapperGent

cleansingfire wrote:

Incomplete.

This is the way things have gone because..........................


I welcome suggestions for the reasons.

Human nature? If you want a debate about the vagaries of the human condition I suggest you start a thread in another forum.

Colm_OReilly

Hey All,

The majority of this thread has come down to fear, ignorance and cultural misunderstanding.

Invincibleirish,

You know what you did wrong:

I feel stupid though coz i should have known better then to be walking on my own late at night around there

Don't do it again. You don't have to do it, there's always an alternative.

After that the opinions of a lot of people on message boards are usually very disconnected with reality. As humans in a Western Culture, and in most cultures, we tend to only associate with people who share our ideas. Ideas and thoughts that don't mix well with the environment (group ideals) don't survive. So my advice is not to heed 99% of the advice you hear on message boards. That includes mine. Test everything I say to you, and if it doesn't make logically/inductive/emotional sense to you, discard it.

If you're still feeling frightened about violence however, don't start talking to laypeople who've no scientific backing for any of their advice or anecdotes. I suggest reading The Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker. Make sure you read it all the way through though, as the last chapter contains most of the important points (You have to read the others, to grasp the context )

If you want to train safely, do
Boxing,
Thai Boxing,
Judo,
Wrestling,
MMA/BJJ.

Anything else (martial arts wise) won't be pressure tested and will not truly alleviate your fear. Note: Your fear shouldn't be completely alleviated, it's all a matter of recognising true fear(recognition of imminent danger) from fear as a result of culturalisation.

As for martial arts in general, 99% of what's out there is no use. In order for something to have practicallity, you must have active resistance so that you may gain skill. Head on over to the Self Defence forum under sports and you'll see a range of discussions on this.

Hope this helps man,
Colm

Beruthiel

I believe this thread has run it's course
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