Legalise smoky weeds

Supercell

Legalise it..poster from somewhere in Holland...

Why is this not legal in so many countries? No-ones anygry, no fighting, peace love...

Lenny

No one has replyied..

Nice pic

scuzzy

Have you ever been to Holland?
The place is a ****hole to put it mildly.
The crime level is sky high, not to mention the fact you're surrounded by a load of zombies 24/7. I'm vehemently opposed to the legalisation of Cannabis because it will be detremental to society whichever way you look at it.

swiss

There was an interesting article in todays(that is, Friday) Irish Independant. A reporter visited both Holland and Sweden - two countries diametrically opposed in relation to their stance on drugs. Before reading it - I would have leaned toward's legalising cannabis in Ireland. Now I'm not so certain.

In relaxing the rules, we risk the incursion of criminal elements that exploit the lax laws (Holland is known as the drugs baron of Europe), as well as the risk that the population will spend most of their time trying to get high.
Now *ahem* don't get me wrong. I'm in favor of experiencing different states of mind - trying to get a different perspective of the world sometimes.. such as the transitory thrill of alcohol consumption.. but I like to keep my grounding in reality. In other words, I have a pretty lax attitude towards experimentation, but I have a narrow view of substance addiction, which has demonstrated it's ability to completely destroy lives.

On the other hand we have 'squeaky clean' Sweden. Even experimentation with drugs can land a person with fines, prison sentences or therapy sessions. (As an aside - the word 'therapy session' sometimes makes me shudder - it's a little like the Chinese method of silencing dissidents with 'counseling').

It's the opposing arguments I have mooted previously... either we allow people the freedom they desire, with the potential risks and dangers that may ensue through it's abuse - or regulate their lives in a manner that authority deems most suited to the common good.

I am as yet undecided in which I prefer.. although I do feel that a people may be given as much freedom as it is generally felt that they can capably handle - that is which society as a whole can handle with responsibility. I now think of the Irish people, who have on so many occasions demonstrated their *maturity* in relation to alcohol (and this is actually a hypocrisy as I am guilty of my share of drunken antics) and wonder if we can assume the collective responsibility of a legalisation of cannabis (never mind heroin/coke)

Oogy_Boogy

But you wouldnt care whether the world is wrong or whether crime rate is high, you'd be flyin high wouldnt matter, unless you have a panic attack which is pretty dangerous, but otherwise "Let Your Spirit Soar". I say Legalise Cannabis, may not be good for me or the crime rate might go high and dublin will turn into a ****hole ill be flyin high not caring.


"Don't Drink & Drive. Smoke and Fly"
Oogy_Boogy

Supercell

2 spiffs v's 10 tinnies of Dry Blackthorn, guess which person starts the fight?

Kenjd

If that guy has the 2 spliffs after drinkin that many cans he'd be like a rag doll and collapes into a heap.

Canaboid

You're all idiots.
Bar the last two.

Kenjd

"People" say that ganja is a gateway drug! The only reason that it is a gateway drug is that ye' have to buy it off "Johnny Knacker" that also sells E's and probably speed and he probably knows someone who can get you Herion!
**** that!

If Ganja is a gateway drug, well then by now I should be drinking Petrol and White Spirts to get drunk. Cos Alcohol does a hell of a lot more damage to your body than Mariguana. You can drink yourself into a coma but try doing it on grass!

It just seems like that all the goverments of the world worship the tobaccoo and the drinks companies...WHY? Cos they get huge amounts of revenue from these companies!!!

And they are frightened of change!

Smokin' Mariguana has only been illegal since the '50 (I think) since America made it illegal 'cos they wanted to crack down on the Hippy revolution that was going on in San Francisco (same as LSD). And naturally every where else followed.

Been to the Dam and it is quite sleezy...been to some nice villages in Spain and the attitude is different

Supercell

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">"People" say that ganja is a gateway drug! The only reason that it is a gateway drug is that ye' have to buy it off "Johnny Knacker" that also sells E's</font>

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This the real problem, if you're barmam/tea-lady offered you it and nothing else, would it now be a "gateway drug" simple answer is no, because they don't try and push something worse..

Kenjd

"" Cos Alcohol does a hell of a lot more damage to your body than Mariguana. ""

Kenjd

Listen guys, I enjoy a smoke , but every night when I settle into bed for a good nights sleep I'm kept awake by drunks from the local pubs! And peeps standin around smokin dope!!! Now dont get me wrong , Im not an ol' lad, but do you not think that if it was accebtable for everyone to have a smoke in the privalige of their own homes that peeps wouldn't have to smoke on hills, on golfcourses, outside, in parks; when, while their folks are havin a beer they could have a smoke!! Does it really sound tha "CRAZY"..... Well all turn into mind-numbed zombies ...."The Marigauna Curse"

rumpelstiltskin

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kenjd:
Does it really sound tha "CRAZY"..... Well all turn into mind-numbed zombies ...."The Marigauna Curse"</font>

I'm afraid you've already got it.

nesf

I'd be in favour of legalising it, simply because it's not dangerous, at least compared to legal drugs.

If anything, it has been proven to be of immense benifit in the treatment of certain types of psychological depression (not clinical, or manaic!), and other psychological disorders. It can aid a threapist find the root cause of the disorder, which might remain hidden while the patient is more lucid.


So on medical grounds i'd support the legalisation definitely. But I do feel that very strict laws would have to accompany such a move, when first introducing the drug to the society.

RasTa

o yes it should be legal,yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes
i dont have time to write loads coz im a "lazy stoner" but here's my reasons
in holland the country were it is legal,it has the lowest use'rs in the hole of europe,because ppl have the choice to do it and they choose not to
why dont we get the choice??

ganja is not a gateway drugs that is just a stupid thing brought up by the goverment to keep it illegal,what did all the ppl do b4 they smoked ganja??? YES THE SMOKED CIGGYS AND DRINKED ALCHOOL everything is a gateway drug so ban ciggys and alchool if your gonna ban ganja

not one person ever has died from ganja,nor never will

here's the way my life went in the term of what drugs i took
angel dust was first,than ciggys,than alchool,than ganja and than e
the only thing i do now is smoke a bit of hash and drink
now wtf is wrong with doing that!!!

-VL-Eight-Ball

Legalisation = Loads of English coming over on ferrys. I'm not rascist but the kind of crowd it would attract would not be the kind of person i want filling Dublins streets.

mayhem#

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RasTa:

in holland the country were it is legal,it has the lowest use'rs in the hole of europe,B]</font>

I see you have done your homework.................NOT!!

DEmeant0r

No smoking is bad for you etc

Supercell

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally blurted out by mayhem#:
So it's alright if we end out with a percentage of the population that walks/lies around like a bunch of braindead zombies, as long as they do not "upgrade" to hard-drugs?
Get a clue....
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My whole point is that given a choice,(for example)on a Saturday night on O'Connell street i'd rather bump into someone stoned than someone ****ed that i didn't know.

Drunk or stoned, both are "zombies" , one is a lot better than the other.

Get a clue yourself.

mayhem#

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scuzzy:

Have you ever been to Holland?
The place is a ****hole to put it mildly.
The crime level is sky high, not to mention the fact you're surrounded by a load of zombies 24/7. I'm vehemently opposed to the legalisation of Cannabis because it will be detremental to society whichever way you look at it.</font>

Havíng spend over 20 years in the country before coming to Ireand I couldn't agree with you more....

mayhem#

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Longfield:
This the real problem, if you're barmam/tea-lady offered you it and nothing else, would it now be a "gateway drug" simple answer is no, because they don't try and push something worse..</font>

So it's alright if we end out with a percentage of the population that walks/lies around like a bunch of braindead zombies, as long as they do not "upgrade" to hard-drugs?
Get a clue....

Shinji

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">So it's alright if we end out with a percentage of the population that walks/lies around like a bunch of braindead zombies, as long as they do not "upgrade" to hard-drugs?</font>

Cannabis is a de-motivational drug, if you smoke it a lot, it does take away the will to work etc... You basically become a bum.

Then again, so is alcohol. Drink it a lot, you become a drunk, and end up... well, wandering around like a braindead zombie.

Yeah, you see a fair few stoners wandering around, utterly useless to society in general. Question is: would they be any better if they had no access to cannabis? No, of course not. They're like this because they're bloody wasters in the first place.

You give a joint to someone who is actually a motivated, ambitious person, they smoke it, chill out, have a laugh, eat some munchies, go to bed, wake up in the morning and go to work. And - get this - they're not hung over. They're not sitting in work stinking of beer, feeling queasy, being narky and having a thumping headache. They haven't got violent and into a fight the night before.

On the other hand, if you're a waster, you'll find SOMETHING to waste away on - be it soft drugs, hard drugs, or good 'ol alcohol.

Dont be at yourself

I used to be pro-legalisation, saying that it'd be safer etc if it was legal, that people would be happier, the usual...

Then, the other month, I visited my half-brother's dad. I hadn't seen him since I was around 4 years of age. Anyway, he was smoking cannabis for maybe 5 years when I visited him, and you could tell straight away. I don't buy into that 'its a gateway drug' ****e, but it is just as destructive as 'hard' drugs.

He was a mess. his flat was a mess. His kids were a mess. All he could think about was getting another spliff. Two of his kids are users too, and they're not much older than me.

I have smoked cannabis before, and I did enjoy it. However, after seeing what it did to that guy, it completely changed my attitude. It had more of an affect on me than any of the 'drug education' talks I'd been to in school.

People may call for it to be legalised now, but what about 10 years after it is legalised? When Ireland is the drugs gateway to Europe, when Dublin is a kip, when the youth are going around stoned? If people can't be happy with alcohol, there's something wrong.

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Izzo

Why the hell not?

mayhem#

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Longfield:
My whole point is that given a choice,(for example)on a Saturday night on O'Connell street i'd rather bump into someone stoned than someone ****ed that i didn't know.

Drunk or stoned, both are "zombies" , one is a lot better than the other.

Get a clue yourself.

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So basically what you're saying is that because there are a whole lot worse things then a person who is continually stoned out of their tree, we should legalise canabis?
Will you please listen to yourself....

mayhem#

#mayhem

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shinji:
Cannabis is a de-motivational drug, if you smoke it a lot, it does take away the will to work etc... You basically become a bum.

Then again, so is alcohol. Drink it a lot, you become a drunk, and end up... well, wandering around like a braindead zombie.

Yeah, you see a fair few stoners wandering around, utterly useless to society in general. Question is: would they be any better if they had no access to cannabis? No, of course not. They're like this because they're bloody wasters in the first place.

You give a joint to someone who is actually a motivated, ambitious person, they smoke it, chill out, have a laugh, eat some munchies, go to bed, wake up in the morning and go to work. And - get this - they're not hung over. They're not sitting in work stinking of beer, feeling queasy, being narky and having a thumping headache. They haven't got violent and into a fight the night before.

On the other hand, if you're a waster, you'll find SOMETHING to waste away on - be it soft drugs, hard drugs, or good 'ol alcohol.

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OK lads listen, I hail from the first country to "legalise" canabis, and let me tell you; it does not work, period.
The number of "motivated", well-adjusted people I have seen going down the drain on a canabis addiction is alarming. As far as de-crminalising it is going to sever the link with hard-drugs? Think again, any coffee-shop or house-dealer I knew (and believe me, I knew plenty) was also selling a selection of hard-drugs. Anyways I'll stop know before I go into a full fledged rant!!

RasTa

mayhem,yes it is true most dutch ppl dont smoke ganja its the tourist's coming in who get wasted
i seeen it on a show on channel 4 why cannibus should be legalized
see you allways read about the badness about ganja and once ina while something comes along sayin why it should be legal
now i dotn want ireland to turn into amsterdamm with coffee shops everywere i jsut want some place were i can go and get ganja without having to worry about the pigs or anything and go home and smoke it in me house or with freinds

mayhem#

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RasTa:
mayhem,yes it is true most dutch ppl dont smoke ganja its the tourist's coming in who get wasted
i seeen it on a show on channel 4 why cannibus should be legalized
see you allways read about the badness about ganja and once ina while something comes along sayin why it should be legal
now i dotn want ireland to turn into amsterdamm with coffee shops everywere i jsut want some place were i can go and get ganja without having to worry about the pigs or anything and go home and smoke it in me house or with freinds</font>

Rasta, will you please read my other postings before you reply and completely miss the point!
I am from Holland, I lived there for 28 years an regularly go back, and let me tell you, an awfull lot of people in Holland smoke "ganja" on a regular basis. Never mind bleedin' channel 4....

Chaos-Engine

I'm all for Legalisation but i must agree with some ppl who would see Ireland becoming a **** hole like Amsterdam is w/ lots of ppl coming over here jsut to get high... Holland is full of crime because it is easy to commit crime there...
It is illegal for the police to search u and ppl have more liberties so teh crime lords exploit it....

If Cannabis was to be Legalised(I'm all for it). Then it should be on a EU wide level... not a National level... Along w/ legalisation i would call for stricter laws on were u can smoke and drink(not just Cannabis but cigs and alcohol too)... Smoking cafes and your home only i think(maybe the middle of no where also)....

If someone wants to a a bum let them... ffs... u don't have to be a conformist if u don't want to be... ppl r individuals wether they smoke dope r not...

"Every day we become less free"

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elexes

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nesf:
I'd be in favour of legalising it, simply because it's not dangerous
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what are you on about do u see how many ppl are suffering around the world from smoking alone . if this was brought in we would be back to square 1 and at the moment the goverments around the world are trying to stop ppl smoking . if you dont think they are just look at laws smoking companies have to agree to compaired to the ones they had 50 years ago .

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Shinji

So what's wrong with legalising cannabis based on the same rules as smoking, then? You don't do it in a non-designated area, taxes on the product are heavy, advertising is heavily restricted and it has to carry warnings.

Need I also remind you that unlike tobacco, cannabis is not in fact an addictive substance?

Shinji

So what's wrong with legalising cannabis based on the same rules as smoking, then? You don't do it in a non-designated area, taxes on the product are heavy, advertising is heavily restricted and it has to carry warnings.

Need I also remind you that unlike tobacco, cannabis is not in fact an addictive substance?

Shinji

So what's wrong with legalising cannabis based on the same rules as smoking, then? You don't do it in a non-designated area, taxes on the product are heavy, advertising is heavily restricted and it has to carry warnings.

Need I also remind you that unlike tobacco, cannabis is not in fact an addictive substance?

The_Scary_Man

A lot of people here are giving examples of people they know or have seen becoming wasters after they started smoking hash. Firstly the form of cannabis most prevalently used in Ireland is hashish the solid block form of compressed hash oil. The high from this is completely different to the high from some really good cannabis sativa buds which is mostly what is smoked in Holland and America, hashish will put you to sleep and generally just mong you out but bud is a much more cerebral experience with more hallucinations and altered perceptions. Getting back to the lazy stoner stereotype, it has to be taken into consideration why people start smoking it in the first place. If the main reason is escapism (which I suspect is the main reason for these lazy stoners people are describing) then as the drug offers a temporary out from these people's problems then they will get more heavily into it, these are the people also are likely to have low self esteem and are the most likely to fall into the trap of addiction no matter what their method of escape is be it gambling, alcohol, heroin, cocaine...etc. Then there are the people who use it as a creative stimulant or just as a way of relaxing with their friends. smoke a few spliffs have a few laughs eat some chinese food and toddle of into bed, causing nobody any hassle and functioning perfectly in all other aspects of their lives.
So I say legalise cannabis and allow the government to control the traffic and quality control on it and. There will always be people around who are looking for an escape from their problems and as far as I'm concerned there are a lot of worse ways they could do it than smoking hash.

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Chaos-Engine

I am very much aware about drugs
I am aware of the dangers of smoking Cannabis.
the fact that u r 4 times more likly to get lung cancer from smoking it in the same quantities as ciggs.... The fact that its not addictive as pointed out 3 times(lol) above is a very important one... this way u won't have employees taking smoke brakes every 1-2 hrs to feed their nicotine addictions...
Cannabis at the moment is too close to Highly dangerous substances such as Cocaine and Crack...
Some Muppets and average dumasses just r too stupid to make the jump from Cannabis to E to Crack... I have seen it all too often. And they r usually the type that r popular culture or skangers... etc(and i say usually). they just go on to Crack if they hit bad times(lets face it everyone has bad moments).... I know a guy who i met in town on Saturday. He was in a band that got signed by Sony and he was doing E... then they kicked him out. When i met him on saturday in town i didn't requignise him... His eyes were blood shot and red rings were around them... I felt sorry for him but wanted to kick his ass for being so stupid.. He is now on crack. And who knows how long he will be able to talk without asking for money... STUPID Fucker... If Cannabis was legal it would never have happened... He won't have made that stupid jump on to columbian exports...

legalise it and take the trap away

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chernobyl

I don't particularily like any laws which limit me from doing anything to myself.
now obviously the laws are logically sound, but if i wanna do crack all day long, why should i be stopped, i can do a gramm of coke (or how is that spelled) and get a record for it, but to drink a bucket of acid (which will surely kill me) aint against the law, and why should it be, both are acts of stupidity, but why is one againse the law and one not?

because someone profited by the slae of the drug...i dunno.

what about ppl who try to commit suicide, for more serious than moderate drug use, but not a law broken.

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Chaos-Engine

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:
what about ppl who try to commit suicide, for more serious than moderate drug use, but not a law broken.

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Just backing up chernobyl
ppl cause more harm commiting a legal act of suicide.... I mean what about the ppl that depend on them... What about those that love them and can help them?

Cannabis... lets see... less Wife beaters... and it isn't even adictive...
What about that guy that jumped?
if he smoked weed i don't think he would have done it as quick

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Kenjd

I'm not in favour of legalization, but what I am in favour of is decriminalization. At least I will be able to sit in my own home and enjoy a smoke without the fear of the law! Is that too much to ask! Decriminalise and dont let peeps open coffee shops. It sould only be sold by the government ...if ye know what I mean.!! If this happened then the goverment would control it instead of the criminal element.

What does p1ss me off is not only the fact that the government ban this plant! They dont even do research into the benefits of it! I read somewere that there is something like 300 chemicals in this plant and we dont know what they do?? Why? Ignorance??

I had a m8 who suffered from a brain tumor. He is now passed away. He HAD to smoke it because it was the safest thing he could do to relieve the pain and the pressure! The doctors wanted him to take Morphine.
It also helps sufferers of Glaucoma and Aids sufferers!! The fact that the government hasn't recognized this is their ignorance. They might as well be putting two fingers up to all the people's suffering that could be relieved if their was positive medical research.

Kopf

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mayhem#:
Havíng spend over 20 years in the country before coming to Ireand I couldn't agree with you more....
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I think this says it all.....

I occasionally indulge myself, so I wouldn't mind it being legalised (it'd kill the risk of arrest and lower the price)... But still, I do see what people are saying - it can only produce *more* zombies on the streets.

I'd have to go with legalising it, though.

adnans

the quality of cannabis in ireland is utterly disgraceful!!! its not even worth to smoke it cause youll end up looking like pat kenny or something worse.

is growing weed illegal in ireland if the government doesnt know anything about it? same question goes about being a curupt politician?

adnans

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Dr. Loon

I reckon Shinji's point further up is the best, if you have no motivation then no matter what u do, you'll end up a waster... I smoke quite alot, but I also drink quite alot... if get locked on beer, Iam more agressive (everyone is pretty much) and am not in a good state to get up for work next morning, but I do and Im wrecked. If on the other hand I smoke a few numbers and go to bed a we bit whacked, I'm up next day no problems and I have a good laugh, no head aches and **** or anything. I've been doing this for 7 years now, and I'm not addicted to crack or yokes or heroin or paint stripper..... u get the idea. I believe alcohol is a far more dangerous drug....

leeroybrown

In Canada, they have legalised it for medicinal purposes. Apparrently they are growing a national supply in some hidden away location.

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adnans

plus, you can turn into a DIY freak once you start experimenting with various types of weed n smoke.

<snip> on the other hand, i dont want to anger the mods.

that was a picture of a group of lads experimenting with gas masks and bongs.

adnans

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