Violent Women

BrianD3

There's an article in today's Irish Indo entitled "Violent, drunken women drive doctors to despair" It contains the startling claim that Gardai are now more afraid of gangs of violent women than violent men.

TBH, this sounds like absolute rubbish and hysteria to me, but the source is apparently someone who should know what they're talking about - a casualty doctor in Cork University Hospital who has first hand knowledge of the results of female and male violence.

He claims that females are inflicting injuries using headbutts, broken glass and biting. Teeth end up embedded in hands resulting in infection and sometimes amputation.

BTW the article seems to be talking about drink related "street violence" on weekend nights rather than domestic violence.

I've no doubt that this kind of violence by females does occur but find it hard to believe that this is a very widespread and serious problem. I have personally witnessed 2 or 3 incidents where this sort of thing happened - whereas I have witnessed countless incidents involving drunken males fighting or kicking the sh*t out of each other on a saturday night.

So, what do people think - is the article right or is it exaggerating the problem?

Second question is: if you or someone close to you was attacked by a female how would you react? Lots of guys will say restrain the woman, pull her away and never ever hit a women in any situation even self defence. I regard this as BS - if the need arises I will punch a woman in the face as hard as I can. Eg if a woman came anywhere near me with a broken glass I wouldn't hesitate to clobber her.

Also, I'd have the exact same attitude if a female attacked my friend/girlfriend/sister/mother etc. How would others react?

BrianD3

Gordon

If she was coming at me with an obvious intent to maime me I would self defence as much as needed to stop her.

I'm curious though, you mention that teeth bites have led to infection and amputation. WTF?! I know that the human mouth is dirtier than animal's mouths (well, I have heard that) but with the level of medical care these days - how in arse can a bite lead to amputation?!

eoin_f

Would be rediculous to think that it is only the male population that resorts to violence when ossified, have come across quite a few incidents of women being extremly agressive and sometimes violent. Is a rediculous sight to see anyone like that and even more so to see a woman in that state.

Luckily i have never been on the recieving end but do believe that if a woman decided to atack me i would have no problems fighting back if i could not get myself out of the situation. Self defense is only that and does not apply to male atackers only.

This city is swiftly becoming more and more aggressive, not sure how it can be stopped or curbed but that is another topic entirely.

Personally i dont believe that the situation is as dire as this article is making it out to be (maybe it is just hope). I live in the city centre and have seen quite a few cat fights but nothing to this degree. There have been articles and programs about this exact situation in the uk so maybe the journalist is just piggy-backing on that.

E.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the person didn't bother to go in and get it looked at because it was only a small scratch?

and then they were persistently stupid and didn't get it looked at after it started turning funny colours....


... I don't know either..

Shad0r

I'd never hit a woman under normal circumstances out of respect and because alot of times it would be unfair, but as far as I'm concerned theres a line and if anyone crosses it then I feel in my right to defend myself. I dont care if its a guy or a girl.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or some such. Basically if a girl came at me violently I would do the minimum required to get her to stop. If she's just hitting me I'd slap her hard, glass bottle or other weapon, then she asking for trouble. I understand chivilary and being a gentleman etc, and I like to live like that but I dont understand guys who will literally let themselves be abused by women.

They are nothing more than doormats imo.

Tiriel

friend of mine was mugged by a girl and her boyfriend in Cork recently, boyfriend just stood there, girl was scumbag. what is the place coming to?

secret_squirrel

I have a scar under my eye from a scumbag girl who caught me with her big gold ring, she milled through a crowd of about 10 of us ( lads and girls) - and then was gone before anybody reacted. Having had a coupla beers didnt even have time to decide whether to hit her or not. Her boyfriend had stumbled down the street 30secs previously with the shirt ripped off his back...made me wonder if she had done it!
Bled like a stuck pig I did. This was 5 years ago so its not as if it is a new thing.

seamus

Shad0r wrote:

I'd never hit a woman under normal circumstances out of respect and because alot of times it would be unfair, but as far as I'm concerned theres a line and if anyone crosses it then I feel in my right to defend myself. I dont care if its a guy or a girl.

Pretty much my view too. The added benefit being that a woman would be a lot easier to drop than a man. It would definitely be a last resort though.

I talked before about women having a less developed sense of cause and effect than men. Perhaps this is why you see women willing to put themselves in between two fighting men (see the other thread about the scumbag in temple bar), and more scarily violent when hammered. Men are aware that in general, there's a very good chance that they'll get back exactly what they give. Women may not be (as) aware of this.

BrianD3

I'm curious though, you mention that teeth bites have led to infection and amputation. WTF?! I know that the human mouth is dirtier than animal's mouths (well, I have heard that) but with the level of medical care these days - how in arse can a bite lead to amputation?!

I know - it does sound very far fetched. But if it says it in the Irish Independent then it must be correct, right? :rolleyes:

BrianD3

therecklessone

Women are as capable for viciousness as men. I once saw a woman nail a guy on the head with her stilleto heel outside Club M when I was on my way through Temple Bar one night, the guy and her fella had been fighting and she got herself involved. There was blood everywhere.

bizmark

TBH, this sounds like absolute rubbish and hysteria to me

Its absolutely rubbish because its women involed ? :eek: The doctor deals with this stuff every weekend im sure he knows what he is talking about and it wouldnt supprise me in the lest the only time i was Ever attacked on the street was by 3 girls 2 years back i responded like i would if i was attacked by a man more fool them for attacking me tbh im not a punchbag for anyone.

ferdi

i hit women.....but only cause i have to bate them off with a stick cause i'm such a fine thang

BrianD3

Its absolutely rubbish because its women involed ? The doctor deals with this stuff every weekend im sure he knows what he is talking about and it wouldnt supprise me in the lest

As I said, I have no doubt that women are capable of nasty violence. I'm sorry to hear that you were attacked by a group of women and agree that any man who lets women use him as punchbag without defending himself vigorously is foolish.

However, I take issue with the statement in the article that the gardai are now "more afraid" of gangs of drunken women causing violence than gangs of drunken men. IMO that is a ridiculous statement. In all the times I've been out on a saturday night, I've never come across a "gang" of female scumbags who's idea of a night's entertainment is to stamp on someone's head, punch random strangers walking down the street etc. Not saying it doesn't happen but I've never seen it and therefore IME it's rare. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for gangs of male scumbags, many of whom go out with the express intention of causing trouble, all in the name of a good night. out :rolleyes: I have witnessed this sort of thing *countless* times.

BrianD3

Victor

I think the issue is the shift into women being much more violent than the capability of their stereotype and agree with seamus that as many lads have had a few punches over the years, they will avoid escalating situation because they know what it's like to be hurt. Many women don't and overstep the line.

I wonder how much male on male violence starts off with women.

Blitzkrieger

'more afraid of women' could be misleading. Can you imagine some poor Garda defending himself in court after walloping some tiny little woman (who turns into a vicious bitch after too much sambucha)? I've only seen the usual catfights every saturday night outside a certain club in Cork city, but there does seem to groups of scumbag girls around the place who'll turn violent at the drop of a hat when drunk.

I wouldn't give a woman (or a man for that matter) any excuse to attack me, but I'd definetly defend myself if they did.

the_syco

I'm 6 foot 6. Not very stong, either, but I've been told that I don't know my own strenght when angry.

Now, I've never been attacked by a woman, but if I was, and most women are small (about 5 foot), and I hit one, imagine the headline? "Big man hits little woman". It won't really matter that she was in the wrong, as people will think (of me) "cos your big, you should be able to take care of yourself".

So I know where the gardai are coming from. If they hit a man for being abusive, and threw him into the back of a riot van, it'd be "what he deserved", or "standard procedure". If they did it to a woman, it'd be "manhandling" "scandelous behaviour" and "bullying", as its a woman.

They aren't afraid of them cos they're violent. They're afraid, as they know if they threat the women harsh, they'll be the "bad guys", and may get sued.

Fysh

Blitzkrieger wrote:

I've only seen the usual catfights every saturday night outside a certain club in Cork city, but there does seem to groups of scumbag girls around the place who'll turn violent at the drop of a hat when drunk.

Such as the legions of scary dangerous creatures that lurk outside Hillbillies at about 2 or 3 am on a weekend night?