Mission Impossible 2

Bullitt

what a aload of ****e this film is i dont know how i was fooled into actually going to see it. its nothing but mindless trash like that idiot Woo's last 2 film's "face off" and "Broken Arrow". so if you didn't like those save yourself from it.
i mean there is a like between reality and bull**** and MI2 is 100% the latter i mean the action sequences are nothing better than slspstick. As for is slow motion sequences which he has way too much of and in all the wrong place god they nothing are but painfull, Woo should take a look at Micheal Man's films "Manhunter" , "Heat" amd "the Insider". Now that director is excellent and knows what to do with a slow motion sequence.


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Hecate

Yes, it is a large pile of steaming cat droppings (although its better than the 1st one)

I dont agree with you calling Woo an idiot tho, Broken Arrow and Face/Off were excellent action films...while MI:2 just seemed like a bad attempt to marry elements of The Matrix with various computer games (spot Cruise's lame attempts to pull off Law's Rainbow kick from tekken 3

TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by Bullitt:
i mean there is a like between reality and bull**** and MI2 is 100% the latter i mean the action sequences are nothing better than slspstick.

you're quite right, and I certainly went to see MI2 with the expectation of seeing many a realistic action sequence.

oh yes, I fully expected it to be rooted in reality, imagine my surprise when it turned out to be escapist fun!!!

if you want realistic watch a fu<king Ken Loach film.

Hobbes

Originally posted by Castor Troy:
you're quite right, and I certainly went to see MI2 with the expectation of seeing many a realistic action sequence.

ROFLMAO.

Hey did anyone notice the tyres change on the Motorcycle? It change from road to dirt track tires when he went off road. Dam IMF get all the good vechiles!

Bullitt

Sure did notice the dirt tyres on the bikes no that is pathetic, while i am at it see when Cruise shot the windscreen on the bad fellas motorbike how could the bullet have missed him after hitting the windscreen ??

Sure it was like a cartoon with the 2 of them jumping off the bikes and hitting eachother like that and themn doing their impresion of the nokia phone ad.

Also another hole in the special effects = when cruise riding the bike and jumped onto the wooden bridge if you look you can see the bike actually jump up a little in mid air before its hits the bridge. Well all this adds up to equal a bad bad film.
Thank god there are people who agree with me as the standard of films is quite bad and there seems to be an endless supply of people who are quite happy to go along and watch any kinda rubbish and while this continues the standard is unlikely to improve.

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Chubby

Originally posted by Hecate:
...like a bad attempt to marry elements of The Matrix with various computer games (spot Cruise's lame attempts to pull off Law's Rainbow kick from tekken 3

FFS, that overhead kick move in Tekken was stolen from Street Fighter 2 . It was Guile's special move. Get ya video games right!

Excelsior

it is escapist fun. the action sequences were great. cruise is the greatest MOVIE STAR of all. it was fine. no rock, i'll grant you, but i thought it was a cool way to spend 2 hours on a friday evening. the week before i went to see un liasion pornagraphie and i am sure that it was much better for me, but you can't really compare them.
castor has it right. even apart from your disturbingly pathetic nit picking at visual poopies made by woo this kind of action movie snobbery (being snobbish about these movie is a realy achievement in arrogance) doesnt put you guys in that good a light. if i didnt know you better i'd think you nerdish fools like the comic book store guy from the simpsons

TwoShedsJackson

I'm pushing. my votes go to Angelia Jolie, Kevin Spacey and Clint Eastwood oh and Al Pacino.

Bullitt

HERE HERE Bard you said it Cruise is at best only a mediocre actor and as for nit picking my view is if your going to do something, do if right ffs.

I hate finding mistakes in a film not so much with props but when it happens with the storyline its worse as it gives mr the impression that the filmmakers think we are dumb *******s who will swallow any kinda sh1te thet feed us.

That is the impression i got from MI2 i mean the storyline was a joke, really disappointing nothing in it at all except excuses for slow motion action sequences.

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Chubby

Originally posted by Bullitt:
I hate finding mistakes in a film not so much with props but when it happens with the storyline its worse as it gives mr the impression that the filmmakers think we are dumb *******s who will swallow any kinda sh1te thet feed us.

That is the impression i got from MI2 i mean the storyline was a joke, really disappointing nothing in it at all except excuses for slow motion action sequences.

Did you enjoy the Matrix then? There's a lot more plot holes in that than MI2. What's your problem? You're getting all personal about this...why? It's only a film and it had some great action sequences. If you didn't like it then fine but don't turn it into a crusade.

At least tom cruise can act and not just another action hero. He was great in Magnolia and got an oscar nomination for it (his 3rd i think).

btw: thought that cliff climbing scene was great and tom cruise did it all himself on the real cliff with only a safety wire. That is he really did jump and he did it 7 times. It wasn't CGI. You gotta respect that.

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Hobbes

Originally posted by Chubby:
btw: thought that cliff climbing scene was great and tom cruise did it all himself on the real cliff with only a safety wire. That is he really did jump and he did it 7 times. It wasn't CGI. You gotta respect that.

Yea so I heard. I believe John Woo was ****ting bricks over the whole thing (Allowing your main actor to do stunts is mostly unheard of in Hollywood).

Bard

I'm pushing.

Ok so- ten 'greater' movie stars than Tom Cruise? ... easy! Naturally this is all my own opinion, but who else's can I speak from, eh?

1. Robert DeNiro
2. Kevin Spacey
3. Al Pacino
4. Mel Gibson
5. Clint Eastwood
6. Peter Sellers
7. Audrey Hepburn
8. Patrick Stewart
9. Liam Neeson
10. Sigourney Weaver

These are off the top of my head, and at 7pm after a long-ish day's work, but they all are/were better actors than Cruise.

So there.

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Bullitt

i am not on a crusade lol just trying to point out a bad film and get my opinion across that we the audiences shouldn't sit back and simply enjoy films cause they are the best films out at the moment we should only suport good films and sh1t on bad ones.


Who cares if he did the stupid jumping scene himself why the hell shouldn't he. It wasn't dangerous, he had a wire on i mean if it was dangerous he wouldn't have done it at. All he had to do was overcome the fear factor. How dangerous is something that he did 7 times? not very i'd say.

Bard Good choice of actors espically the top 3. although i don't think 4. and 5, are top quality actors . I think Russsel Crowe, Daniel Day Lewis, Morgan Freeman, Robert Redford, Paul Newman, Meryl Streep, Steve McQueen and Glenn Close should be in there to along with Tom Hanks. Did anyone see Crowe's performances in "Gladiator" and "the Insider" to completely different roles amd he was excellent in both = that in my mind is a good actor i.e. being able to switch like that.

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Bard

Originally posted by Excelsior:
cruise is the greatest MOVIE STAR of all

that deserves an LOL all of it's own - I could easily name 10 better movie star's if pushed.

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Shinji

Bullitt, MI2 is easy to pick holes in, because it's meant to be an action movie. It's meant to be fun. It's stylish, slick and revolves around the key action sequences which Woo is the best in the business at directing.

No action movie is without plot holes. If you want something with plot, go see fupping Schindlers List or something. If you're gonna sit there and steadfastly refuse to suspend disbelief, then naturally you aren't going to enjoy the film.

Personally I thought the action scenes in this were top notch, Cruise was very good indeed (although it didn't stretch him much as an actor)... One of the best action movies I've seen in a long time, definitely better action-wise than The Matrix, although comparing it to Face/Off is tricky...

Ja,
Rob

Bard

Originally posted by Bullitt:
I think Russsel Crowe, Daniel Day Lewis, Morgan Freeman, Robert Redford, Paul Newman, Meryl Streep, Steve McQueen and Glenn Close should be in there to along with Tom Hanks.

If I had thought more about it, Bullitt, and not been tired from a long day of work, my list would have been slightly different and I would most likely have included Day-Lewis, Freeman, Redford, Newman, McQueen and Close, although I'd fundamentally disagree about Tom Hanks in that I don't think he's especially talented.

Thanks for agreeing anyway The list wasn't in any particular order (especially considering that Neeson is at #9 there...)

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plastic membrane

MI:2 is just a movie. A typical hollywood machine action movie. A very well made movie, but no classic. Personally, i think that John woo is a genius and up there with Cameron as THE great action director, actually, he can be better when he's given the chance. But M:I2 was not his finest hour, nowhere near the brilliance of Face/Off or Hard Boiled. In that respect, i was really dissappointed with it. Its good, but its not that good. Good choice of actors, by the way Bard(and Bullitt), anyone who puts in The Cooler King is alright by me. Russell Crowe, Spacey, DeNiro, Eastwood, Pacino, the list goes on...

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Gamblor

It maybe a movie but a bad one ... sorry i love woo's work but this had nothing in it that would make me even think about watching it again. no no and just to make sure no ...


pap mindless pap ...

( sound of Gamblor ranting at his desk is now heard around the office !!!)

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WhiteWashMan

well, commando was an action movie and it was fun.
MI:2 was an action movie and it was fun.
id say barry norman would sh1t himself if he were reading this. so many critics and not one interesting thing to say between yis.
as usual.

Asuka

... im not even going to try to reply to *all* of that...

Going to see M:I-2 tomorrow, so i wont judge it yet, but John Woos last 2 movies (Face/Off and Broken Arrow) were both excellent action movies. I assume thats what M:I-2 is trying to be an action movie and *not* a realistic movie, so you cant really say its bull**** because it wasnt realistic - how realistic was the matrix?

There are many *many* better actors in hollywood than Tom Cruise, i would name Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino top of the list, although Cruise can be good (with particular reference to Interview with the Vampire).

And yes, Heat was a damn good movie (must see it again some time actually), you have to be onto a good thing when you can afford to give Val Kilmer only third name in the credits...

A

TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
id say barry norman would sh1t himself if he were reading this. so many critics and not one interesting thing to say between yis.
as usual.

You go girl!!!!!

Mills

It was great for what it was, an action movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it

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TwoShedsJackson

Well said Mills.

ThunderingMike

I like John Woo. I have seen his work (before the western crtics gave a **** about it)and I loved it. The Killer and A Better Tomorrow (not to mention Hard Boiled) are unedniably classic action films and back then , without the excess of hollywood budgets, Woo was restrained but still made fantastic action sequences and hugely enjoyable movies.
When I heard he was making an american movie (Broken Arrow) I was excited but of coursse as we all know , Broken Arrow was a little over the top. Face/off was kind of a return to the sort of stuff he did at home but with M:I2 he has really lost all faith I ever had in him.
Do not get me wrong though. I mean I liked M:I2 and even though it was over the top like Broken Arrow, it was a decent action movie. But for something John Woo did it was a piece of ****.
I am hoping he will either return home like Ang Lee did (who also does his best work at home appearently) and make a good movie on a small budget or stay in america and take his god damn finger off the slow motion button.

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LegacyUser

I think that MI:2 would be considered a good movie as far as a John Woo movie goes. But this is Mision Impossible 2 , and the director and the plot are not a good match. He should never have been allowed make this movie. I want to see a Mission Impossilbe movie, not a generic John Woo movie, he just half @ssed took the plot of Mission Impossible and loosely fitted it around his own way of making movies. I'm not saying he is a bad director, but definitely not suited to the Mission Impossilbe scene. The one before this shenanigans was miles better. Much more related to the spy aspect .

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Bullitt

here here Pheonix esp. on the "spy aspect"

Q_Ball

I thought that M:I-2 was great fun. I was disappointed to find out that it was originally an 18's rated movie, but Woo had to cut out a lot of scenes that weren't suitable, thus turning it from 18's to PG-13 (or 15's over here)

The only "Woo" movies i've seen were broken arrow and Face/off, might rent hard boiled soon and check it out.

Dont like sub-titles tho

Excelsior

I'm afraid I gotta side here with WWMan. I said that people were being a bit pretentious about a summer ****ing action movie about secret agents. What is the response. John Woo thinks we are, "dumb *******s who will swallow any kinda sh1te thet feed us." And someone actually puts up a list of actors he thinks are better than Cruise. Wow! That is an achievement. Admittedly Cruise is a dreamboat with a smile and therefore you well 'ard no nonsense gamers can't respect him. Cruise is a fine actor. An actor who is capable of winning oscars. An underrated actor. I however said he was the greatest movie star. Not entirely strenuous or serious a point neither. Get a life. Enjoy the silly movie, plot holes, hammy dialogue and homo-erotic dance scenes. Or you could put together a list "off the top of your head" of movies with better homo-erotic fight scenes.

PS- George Clooney is a bigger dreamboat than
Tom Cruise.


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Excelsior

you clearly dont get the intertextuality of my statements!

Bullitt

Hey Excelsior
What the hell are you on about ya loon, mabye you should take a **** via the normal route like everybody else and spare us all.

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TwoShedsJackson

ah well 33 posts before the descent into flamage begins. i thought Excelsior's post was the funniest in this thread by a mile.

Bullitt don't bother posting if you have nothing to add to the topic.

Hobbes

Originally posted by Q_Ball:
The only "Woo" movies i've seen were broken arrow and Face/off, might rent hard boiled soon and check it out.

Dont like sub-titles tho

Hard Boiled is excellent... and it's very funny when dubbed over.

ButcherOfNog

went to see it, pretty run of the mill stuff. not a movie i'd watch again.

Excelsior

huh! the oscars! it would be such an insult to win those things. they are so phoney. and the academy are such ********s. they never make the right choices. they only like one type of movie and that is all. i hate action movies they are brainless. but i hate intellectual movies they are boring. i am right this is black look at that white thing there is blood that is cool. nicholas cage used to be cool. then he went all rom com and that was so lame. hen he got cool again and then quick as a flash he made those crappy ****e movies but now hes edgy again. empire magazine said so. scorcesse is wasted. kundun is such a kancker of a movie. i hate it. i like cuban dollars. i buy all my stuff through cuban dollars. cuba is cool. its edgy. look at my new friend. he is an innuit. innuits are cool. this season you should have at least one innuit friend. usb is great. its the interface of the not too distant future.

the top ten movies that i just feel a need to let people know i have seen and understood and feel are somehow related but vastly superior to mission impossible 2, dier commercial pap that it is.
1. caddyshack 2 -speaks for itself
2. kujofilme abstractie - rare andulucian movie from 1974
3. rush hour
4. anaconda- the river boat
5. dr doolite's fantrantrabulouos magnificent flying machine
6. postman
7. liscence to drive, starring corey haim
8. topsy turvy
9. bracca fundmotal- a film adaptation of the history of the daidistic cubist post-impression movement that sprung up in prague in the 1920s
10. those magnificent men in their flying machines

yeah, but that is just my opinion.

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plastic membrane

What the hell are you talking about? What kind of drugs are you on? And where, oh where can i get those drugs???!!!

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Lump

SO, what are yer opinions of Matrix


I think that you really have to go to MI 2 Expecting nothing...... experience it, and enjoy the multiple coat/scarfe flicks, and enjoy the film. IE turn your brain off.

John

Excelsior

thanks castor. lump you are right. of course what would have made matrix so much better for me would have been if there was more blood, it was directed by ken loach and vinny jones starred as a well 'ard gangsta (what a stroke of genius from the casting folks) now that would be a movie. and if it dealt with the heritage of the australian government's treatment of aborigines and if they wore delightful platform boots made by karl lagerfield. that would have made matrix good. and if keanu reeves was replaced by oooh, vincent gallo because he is so great and that is just my opinion.

Bullitt

Ok well then Castor Tory
I read you expert opinion on the patriot and I would just like to know is there actually a film out there that you don't like. If so is it because it ain't got its quota of big guns, fast cars, faster women and huge slow mo action sequences that you don't like it eh? probably as those kinda films require a detached brain not an attached one. As long as you primates are out there ready to gobble up the next bucket of slop that comes your way them buckets will keep on coming so eat up boys, oink!! oink!!

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Hobbes

500 Quatloons on the newcomer!

TwoShedsJackson

You're certainly very clever and witty Bullitt. Yes there are plenty of films out there I don't like, however I am usually reasonably sure i will enjoy a film before I go to the cinema to see it.

If not sure, I wait for video/DVD. On your most representative poll of two films (MI2 and The Patriot), I liked both, you hated MI2 and have offered no opinion on The Patriot.

So what is your point?

TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by Bullitt:
probably as those kinda films require a detached brain not a detached one.

btw, what the hell does that mean?

Excelsior

duh! that you are stoopid and he is right. he clearly knows more about all movie topics than both of us put together and he hates us because crime of crimes, shame of shames, we sometimes see movies as enjoyment. pure and simple.

bullit, i have no doubt that you can understand clever movies. fair play to you boy. but the fact that we and others enjoy blockbusters or whatever else you may term them doesn't include us in some conspiracy to dumb down and propagate bad movies for all.

film is universal. it isn't like poetry. or literature. or sculpture. any man can find some movie to love. that doesn't make film crappy because it can appeal to the lowest common denominater. neither does it make us the lowest common denominater because we enjoy mi2 or patriot.

for the record, bullitt, my favourite film of the year has been une liasion pornagraphie, followed closely by kujikuro. being john malkovich is my favourite mainstream movie. so we arent talking about a someone who likes fast cars or hunky male leads in movies. furthermore, simply because i enjoyed them does not mean that they are the best movies of the year. just my favourite. if you could make these distinctions, this board could be a much friendlier place.

Bard

Originally posted by Bullitt:
probably as those kinda films require a detached brain not a detached one.

... what???

-ADDED:-
whoops, sorry- missed the fact that there were 2 pages to this thread and this question had already been asked... wtf is Bullitt on aboot anyway?

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Bullitt

Ok Ok
twas supposed to go like this :

"probably as those kinda films require a detached brain not attached one"

Right to clear things up ..... I didn't would you believe hate the film I think it's bad and not as good as the first 1. Therefore I don't like it IS all. This whole thing has gotten a bit out of hand I didn't mean to upset any1 I was just messing around is all. You boys were well able to rip the pi55 outta me. Fair enough you liked the film more than I did "different strokes for different Folks" I was just trying to be witty like you "Excelsior" and you "Castor Troy" and have a bit of fun m-kay.

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plastic membrane

Goddamn people, why can't y'all just get along.

Jerry's Final Thought: Be good to each other, and to yourselves..

now im off to kill some homeless people !!

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Q_Ball

If any of you have ever seen Clerks, and i'm sure most of u have, i'm sure u all will agree that that films strength is from it's dialogue. It's strengths are based on the fact that it's events are simple (pushing over the casket....) to understand but the humour is all spoken and all well thought of.
Not along the lines of National Lampoon of Naked Gun imho.

Attached.......Detatched........

Excelsior

my final point is that a movie can be good simply for entertainment sake. it doesn't need a message or a theme besides fun.

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