Question about Drums

OfflerCrocGod

Hello people, now before you worry about me trying to make music I'm not! - I know there are laws againts noise pollution and breaches of human rights so I'm not going to try and torture the world around my vicinity with loud crashing noises and sonic booms I'm only fit for a boyband ( one of the screaming fans in the videos ). On the other hand I have a friend who does want to learn the drums BUT he realizes that his neighbors may not want to hear him so he wants to use an e-drum kit to learn. So looking around it seems the going rate for one is an arm a leg and the testicular appendage of your choice. I'm wondering then if any of you fine cognoscenti could help me find him a cheaper set somewhere in Dublin or suggest somewhere else or suggest anything that could be vaguely useful for him. All and any help appreciated.

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I am MAN

(1) Get a room soundproofed

(2) f*ck the neighbours

Personally i'd go for the second one.

OfflerCrocGod

I am MAN wrote:

(2) f*ck the neighbours

As far as I can tell he lives in an apartment block, so I don't know if that's a good option Do you think an e-drumkit is not worth it then, that a real kit would be better and f*ck anyone who complains?

bombidol

www.musicstore.com sell decent cheap E kits, starting at arounf 650. thinking of getting one myself

kleefarr

Used to play drums a few years ago myself. Have been thinking about getting another set for ages. Kept asking myself the same questions e-kit or real kit. Would dearly love to get a real kit again, but there are so many advantages with an e-kit.

This one has got my attention. e-kit

Info on e-kit

OfflerCrocGod

Alright thanks for the replies and as usual it seems that Ireland is not the best place to shop....and Germany is the best. I was just wondering if you have had dealings with musicstore bombidol?

bombidol wrote:

www.musicstore.com sell decent cheap E kits, starting at arounf 650. thinking of getting one myself

My friend quoted me €1500 :eek: as prices he was getting here in Dublin. So if anyone has had positive dealings with musicstore it would be a big plus for going that route. Can anyone tell me the shipping costs ( it's not 100% clear on the web site )? It says €13 for 30kg packages but these drums don't seem to have any weight figure in the description ( surely more? ), how much would it cost if it was more then 30kg. Has anyone used the bank transfer option of payment - I have used it for Jes Computer ( German PC parts supplier ) and I am pretty happy with it; I suppose there will be the usual one week waiting period before the money is transferred between countries?

Are the above drums any good... ( I'm supposing that since kleefarr is interested in them himself that they are an OK set? ) they all look the same to me and I don't know how much my friend will know himself as he is only starting. Any comments on them would be great. Any good/bad comments on musicstore would also help but they definitely look the better option compared to shopping in Ireland.

bombidol

ive bought from them before. im sure shipping wouldnt be more than 60. they are light as fook

Töpher

E-drums are great for learning (but nothing beats a real kit! Even if you suck ass!) But, beware, if he lives in apt. block an e-kit could be bad. The e-bass-drum tends to be on thje floor, and creates ONE HELL of a disturbance for those in rooms below, the thumping noise is one thing (of the beater on the drum) but the shít in the room below can vibrate about if he's a hard hitter! Trust me!

OfflerCrocGod

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beware, if he lives in apt. block an e-kit could be bad. The e-bass-drum tends to be on thje floor, and creates ONE HELL of a disturbance for those in rooms below

Ok thanks for all the help I'll give him the link so he can decide what he wants, I'm not 100% certain he is in an apartment though so it might be OK Anyway thanks for all the help

DrummerBoy

The kind of eDrums your friend would have been looking at for €1500 would be of more interest to someone who can already play drums.
I have a very good electronic kit and an acoustic kit also. My advice for anyone starting to play drums is simple. Start as cheap as you can get away with! Drums are expensive enough already when you know what you want.
Here are two examples of kit that take noise into consideration and are cheap for drum kits.

The acoustic one is this one. It has a feature where you can place on mesh drum heads that make very little noise for sound sensitive enviroments. And you can put normal drum heads on and play a real kit with matching noise whenever you want!
Pearl Practice Kit

This next one is the best value for money e-drumkit I can find or have ever seen! You get everything you need. One of my friends bought this one and he loves it. For the money, its fantastic.
Quality Buget E-Drums

Any questions post or pm

Mr. CooL ICE

Just moved into a house for college with the_obsolete (drummer) and when we practise at as-low volumes as possible, you can't hear the instruments downstairs, but you sure as hell can hear the thumping of the kickdrum. I'm surprised there are no cracks in the ceiling yet!

Luckily enough, theres a giant rug in his room, which we might fold into 4 (fold over widthways and lengthways once) and put the kit on top of it. I also suggested robbing a wooden pallet from a building site or supermarket etc and putting it on that, but it probably wouldn't do much good. Anyone any other suggestions?

bombidol

try and pick up a few Rubber mats and put the kit on it, it should soal up some of the vibration

OfflerCrocGod

OK thank you all for helping me so far. After looking at the replies there are one or two more queries that my friend has so any help would be bril. The Quality e-drum set that DrummerBoy has mentioned has caught his attention, this one here:

DrummerBoy wrote:

Quality Buget E-Drums

He's wondering about the price of the Drummodule ( which is €311 a good fraction of the entire price ) are those prices normal for Drummodules and can he afford to buy a cheaper one, performance wise would a cheaper one be OK? I have to admit that the set-up does look very cool :cool: but €311 is a bit much for a little box - I know nothing about these things so if anyone here wants to comment on the quality of the Drummodule and/or cheaper ones I would welcome it! In the end he wants to know "Is It Worth It?". Can someone here shed light on the mysterious world of Drummodules ?

Actually I've had a look on the website and I can't find anything substantially cheaper other then this.....which I don't think is a Drummodule although I can't tell :rolleyes: I can't believe the expense of some of these pieces of equipment :eek: !

DrummerBoy

This one is a sound modul. It does not contain enough sounds for a full drum kit. The idea of this is that its a metronome that uses a few different ways to count time. It counts using the "tick-tock" sounds normal metronomes but it can also use the sound of a prerecorded human voice saying 1,2,3,4. It is used to help develop timing. Where I think the confusion comes in is this little piece of tech can be used with a normal snare drum and you can also plug in up to two edrum pads and play them instead of a real snare drum. It only contains the sounds of a bass drum and a snare and you cant alter them at all. Its only a training device.

The above one does look cool. Most eDrums do look more or less the same. The actual drum pads themselves serve no other function then to be hit and thus send a signal to the Drum modul(brain) that its been hit. Then what ever sound you have alocated to that pad is produced. That could be anything from the sound of a door bell to thunder or just the sound of a snare drum.

It looks like this when attached to a drum pad. Or this when attached to a regular snar drum
The drum modul that comes with the set up your friend liked is made by a company called Alesis. They've been round for donkeys years making all sorts of electronic music equipment and have a good reputation. This modul is by no means a basic one but its a very good machine that is pretty user friendly.

This is an entry level drum modul by a company called Roland. They are one of the leaders of eDrums. This has far less sounds on it only 114 and 32 preprogramed drum kits on it. (The one by Alesis has 550 sounds and 21 preprogramed drum kits). Personally Id go for the Alesis one at that price. The Roland one are amazing once you get the dearer ones(I have one myself TD8kv)

The last eDrum modul to consider would be this one. Yamaha make great eDrums. This one is a little bit more expensive at €398 but it has 910 sounds and 48 preprogramed drum kits on board.


Best advice I can give is find a music shop where he can try them out. Waltons on South Great Georges St and MusicMaker on Exchecker St both have the Roland range set up in their shops for you to try out.
Danfae(big Yamaha sign on the front) on Angier St (sp? Up the road from Waltons) has the Yamaha range to try out.

One last thing to keep in mind, you'll need earphones to hear the sounds of the eDrums or a speaker to plug them into so everyone else can hear them.
If your friend has any other question that I might be able to answer pm me and I'll give you my number so he can ask me himself

bombidol

Get the alesis module now, its a classic one thats been tried and tested and holds its resale value well. You can always upgrade to a higer spec Roland or Yamaha later as that Ekit is compatable

OfflerCrocGod

OK fine gentlemen, my friend wishes to express his sincerest gratitude towards all the people who have helped him in choosing the drum set. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. So he has decided to go with the set DrummerBoy has suggested and to stick with the Drummodule that comes with it - the alesis one. So that has all been sorted with your help. I'm sorry it took me sooo long to reply to you all it's just I've been rushed off my feet for the last two days. There is one last thing we are wondering about and that is the possible size of the box. My friend is thinking of having it delivered to his work place and then getting it home in a taxi - would the box be too big for that ?

I'd say it should be OK but neither of us is certain. UPS will be used so the package can be tracked from start to end ( unlike GLS were your package will be lost from start to....whenever they can find your house ). I'm practically certain the box should be managable enough but just to be sure can anyone give me an idea as to the size of it? OK my last question I promise! Thanks