Illuminati

Chong

After watching weeks of programmes run by Sky televison on conspiracy theories, I as a citizen of this small no longer feel safe in my own little world. Having watched these conspiracies theory programmes, having read all of Michael Moore's books, Michael Moore's Documentaries and having read numerous other books by conspiracy theorists I feel this world clearly does have driving force behind be it capitalistism and globalisation. This driving force run by the Illuminati and their New World Order. In fairness the conspiracy program and Michael Moore series of books and DVD's are full of self indulgence, but look past that self indulgence and there is certainly truth spoken. Imagine if there was a group of people who met every year to discuss the faith and the direction of the world. Who create poster boy's for terrorism and none bigger than Osama. This is really screwed up to say the least, capitalism must be quashed along with globalisation.

tribble

That's exactly what they want you to think.
Frightened people are easier to manipulate.

Chong

Thats why I feel this way its amazing to believe that this could or maybe even real. It would and does frighten you to belive in the stark fact that there is an organisation or organisations who decide our faith. But before anyone says that we are run by organisations already, I know we are. We wear them, eat them and use them.

[CrimsonGhost]

Michael Moore loves america. He loves corporate america even more. Know why? Cause thanks to it he's really rich. Oh, he bitches and moans, that's just to sell more books and films.

Back to the Illuminati. You should read The Illuminatus Trilogy. It's about 1000 pages, and tough enough to get through. It's a work of fiction, but like all fiction there is some grounding in the truth there, you just have to figure out which bits are the truth for yourself.

Chong

But having read this book is there truth to the whole idea of an Illuminati and what about Bohemian Grove?

DeVore

It's a work of fiction, but like all fiction there is some grounding in the truth there, you just have to figure out which bits are the truth for yourself.

Thats about the stupidist thing I've read in a while.

Can you point out the "some grounding in truth" in The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy? What about in Jaws?

You are talking about countries like the US which cant manage to balance its accounts. George W Bush aint running a damn thing but his big fat stupid gob.


DeV.

Gizzard

DeVore wrote:

Thats about the stupidist thing I've read in a while.

Can you point out the "some grounding in truth" in The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy? What about in Jaws?

You are talking about countries like the US which cant manage to balance its accounts. George W Bush aint running a damn thing but his big fat stupid gob.


DeV.

I had a panGalacticgargleblaster once!

vibe666

and you still don't get it.

you're doing exactly what you're supposed to do. the best thing you can do to fight them is to get on with your life and not let all the scaremongering get to you.

all those TV progs and movies and books are only there because they let them be there.

do you seriously think that an organisation as powerful as the Illuminati can't stop a silly fat bastard like Michael Moore from making movies and books? he makes those things because they let him. just like sky one makes these things because they let them.

what's the outcome of all these things? nothing, that's what.

can you change the way it is? nope.

can you do a single thing about it? not a god damned thing.

so what's the outcome? you're scared. exactly the way they want you to be.

the best thing you can do is just to say fukem, and get on with your life as best you can.

in the big scheme of things you don't matter and neither do I. one person swimming against the tide makes no difference to them, whether you're swimming quietly or screaming conspiracy at the top of your lungs.

just ignore it safe in the knowledge that there isn't a thing you can do either way to affect things even a tiny bit. oh, and enjoy yourself too.

bonkey

Willem_D wrote:

But having read this book is there truth to the whole idea of an Illuminati and what about Bohemian Grove?

Folx...

I don't think Politics is the forum for a high-level conspiracy-theory / Seekrit-Organisation discussion. If thats what ppl want to discuss, then I'd like to move this to another forum (suggestions for a more relevant forum welcome).

Chong

Its most definately appropiate for this forum because involves world politices and the way its run.

Hobbes

Bonkey is clearly a member of the Illumanti and wants to get this silenced!

Its most definately appropiate for this forum because involves world politices and the way its run.

Its not really. The Illumanti is a fairy tale. Are there groups that want to take over the world? Most likely. Is there some singular group that controls all those other groups? Extremly unlikely.

I recommend you read "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. However given some peoples state, they may take it as fact rather then fiction.

ionapaul

vibe666 wrote:

do you seriously think that an organisation as powerful as the Illuminati can't stop a silly fat bastard like Michael Moore from making movies and books? he makes those things because they let him. just like sky one makes these things because they let them.

Or maybe the Illuminati as imagined by the conspiracy theorists and chronic bed-wetters does not even exist?

I have a friend who believes all this rubbish - swears every word of the Da Vinci Code is true.

I think that Occam's Razor should be kept in mind when thinking about these sorts of things - no doubt there are back-room dealings that we know nothing about, but there are no 'secret societies' controlling every single aspect of our lives. The amount of funk-ups we see throughout the world on a daily basis prove this!

Chong

But there is only so much you can read about and watch before you start to think this may actually be true.

therecklessone

bonkey wrote:

If thats what ppl want to discuss, then I'd like to move this to another forum (suggestions for a more relevant forum welcome).

Have we got a talking bo**lox forum on boards?

Hobbes

Oh yea that TV program was tosh.

ixoy

I think it's just that an Illuminati conspiracy is vaguely comforting. It says that, although we don't fully see it, there's a sense of order, a plan for the world. We may not have control over it but it's there none the less. The truth is somewhat more worrying - a bunch of, relatively, normal people in power, half of them bumbling around incompetently and the world lurching about from situation to situation with no real comprehensive goal in site, surviving from one decade to the next. More New World Disorder than Order.

mycroft

Whats fascinating about this kind of garbage is it's the easiest thing to swallow for the left.

"Why do these people do this?"

"cause they're evil"

So many anti globalisation protestors (and I'm on your side here mate) believe that they're "good" and the IMF WTO etc are "evil"

Its a gross over simplification but it's easier to stomach for someone who isn't interested in really plumming the depths of the "why" and "how" of the global political and economic situtation and just want everything to be equated in star wars "good" and "evil" terms.

These are the same people who accuse the government of gross stupidity and incompendence, while at the same time suggesting they're capable of profoundly complex plots to keep the masses stupid.

I'd highly recommend
[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393051242/103-3859
698-3908619?v=glance]this[/URL] book. The author is the former head of the world bank and he breaks down the thinking and flawed economic models of the world bank to demostration it's logic.

The suggestion that the world is wrong by some highly secret and hidden society is actually much easier to believe then the truth.

Oh and I can't believe I get to be the first to say this, but

FNORD

BAAAHHHAAAA HAA HAA HA!!!

seamus

I'm pretty sure if they did exist to the extent that people believe, they would have shut down our little forum hidden away in the depths of boards.ie.

I've already said too much.

mycroft

I've already said too much.

As the offical Illumanti observer on boards.ie I'm sorry to inform you that you have in fact said too much and the men in black will be taking you to Mad dog texas.

Only Hagbard Celine can save you now.....

Hagar

Maybe the only conspiracy is the "league of conspiracy theorists" themselves.

Perhaps they are trying to de-stabilise a perfectly normal world filled with random coincidences for their own purposes?

Private Joker

Why are people so afraid of the so called "new world order" most of the major decisions on this planet are dictated by Corporations already,

Was the war in Iraq for the good of the Iraqi People

Was Communism Such an evil system of Goverance ( yeah I know Stalin was a bit of an ASS )

The west doesn't care about freedom or Democracy, It just wants stable economys that they can do business with,

Hobbes

mycroft wrote:

Whats fascinating about this kind of garbage is it's the easiest thing to swallow for the left.

The left doesn't exist. They were invented by the Illumunati to help enforce their ideals.

Johnny Versace

There's no illumiati - it's simply greed, selfishness and ignorance.

mycroft

Private Joker wrote:

Was Communism Such an evil system of Goverance ( yeah I know Stalin was a bit of an ASS

Mycroft's understament of the week.........
:rolleyes:

The left doesn't exist. They were invented by the Illumunati to help enforce their ideals.

Ah the SWP are pawns of the illumanti, break omnicorps heart why dontcha

bonkey

mycroft wrote:

I'd highly recommend
[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393051242/103-3859
698-3908619?v=glance]this[/URL] book. The author is the former head of the world bank and he breaks down the thinking and flawed economic models of the world bank to demostration it's logic.

I'd recommend it too, but wasn't he the Chief Economist, not the Head?

jc

DeVore

The reason for conspiracy theories is two fold.

1. They are almost impossible to disprove because that requires you to prove that something is NOT happening.

2. Its nicely comforting to fncktards to think that someone ELSE has screwed up their lives, is controlling everything and the fact that they are sitting in a trailer park somewhere squeezing out yet another brat or that their bank refused them a credit card YET AGAIN, is not their fault. Its the Illuminati controlling everything.


Of course, they obviously got to me.

DeV.

mycroft

DeVore wrote:

2. Its nicely comforting to fncktards to think that someone ELSE has screwed up their lives, is controlling everything and the fact that they are sitting in a trailer park somewhere squeezing out yet another brat or that their bank refused them a credit card YET AGAIN, is not their fault. Its the Illuminati controlling everything.

I find the voices in my head oddly soothing, it's why I've stopped wearing my tinfoil hat....

I'd recommend it too, but wasn't he the Chief Economist, not the Head?

1 quick check on google later.......
:mad: [grumble] smartarse, yes he was [grumble]

stakey

The illuminati does not exist, its as simple as that, the powers at be hold too many interests of their own to work as a consice think tank running the world.

The only 'thing' that unites our masters (in saying this i would refer to politicians, corporate goons and world bankers) is language.

What do i mean by this? Lets look at Bush and Blair, two figures at the head of two of the worlds most powerful nations.

Blair could be seen as left of centre, though i personally would refer to him as centre right.

Bush is well known for his right wing fundamentalism.

Two very different individuals and very different policies.

But what unites them is language, where Bush can cover up his faults by using words like terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, immediate threat, code red, i could go on Blair follows.

Our world leaders are to inept to work as a collective group, trying to control us and our every move. But, where language comes into play our leaders can play with each others words. Bush says boo, boo works, tony says boo as well, boo works.

Temporary alliances on the world political stage. The politicians play with the words like terrorism and war but the financial backers the bill gates, the ibms, the nikes these guys control economic direction.

They are the new politicians, the world is now a global economy based entirely on exploitation, the north exploits the south. In order to keep control of markets leaders use temporary alliances based on each others languages.

Putin and Bush are now allies in the war on terror only because Putin wants to rid himself of a chechen problem (of his creation) and needs support (ie. money from the US) while Bush needs international legitamacy for his "War on Terror".

If the terrorists were to be removed the US and Russia would be in a state of bad diplomatic relations over NATO's expansion into the former Eastern Bloc, which Russia is threatened by. Again, temporary alliances. No Illuminati.

The financial backers also have their temporary alliances, they battle it our for world control with the politicians on the floor of WTO and IMF congresses. But again these are generally controlled by the powerful countries in temporary alliances of words (free trade, globalisation). These alliances are often nearly broken when the big powers fight (in public) over things like steel tarrifs.

There is a global force controlling us, keeping us in debth to phone companies, power companies. Making us want to buy into a brand, name or identity.

Its called capitalism, its not run by an illuminati, its a burden on humanity but one that can be rid of. What does not help us rid of corporate goons and sponging politicians is crap like, the illuminati killed my dog, the illuminati abducted my cat. These guys are more inept than me and you, heaven they start wars over lines on maps. Do you seriously think they could control the world?

Hobbes

Hobbes wrote:

The Illumanti is a fairy tale.

Well it is and it isn't, but most of all it's one of the best private forums on boards...

mycroft

Willem D wrote:

After watching weeks of programmes run by Sky televison on conspiracy theories, I as a citizen of this small no longer feel safe in my own little world.

and,

This is really screwed up to say the least, capitalism must be quashed along with globalisation.

Didn't you feel a tiny bit Alanis Morissette about having that world view while watching a documentary on Sky???

1. Owned by one of the Largest media conglomerates in the world, espuing a rightwing agenda ahdered to by it's owner Rupert Murdoch.

2. Watching a documentary which you base your world view being broadcast by a channel whose previous home produced output has been

-World's [blankest] [blanks]

Insert the followed (wildest, craziest, wackiest, sexyist) and (police chases, animal attacks, supermodel) where appropriate.

-And the ground breaking recent "Bras uncovered"

That documentary last night (and I use the term documentary very loosely) was one of the worst researched I have ever seen. The presenter spoke to 3 crackpots who threw out some of the most ridiculous theories and statements I have ever heard. Come on,who believes these guys rob graves?? Bullsh*t.

I think Deconstruct hit the nail on the head when he said its simply capitalism,end of story.

The European round table of industrialists, www.ert.be, (our very own Smurfit being one of them) are exactly what any conspiracy theorist would call 'illuminati'
They dictate EU policy across a whole range of subjects.
Are the public allowed access to the meetings? Hell no,why should they?
And there is no big conspiracy theory about it. They are business men protecting their interests. It doesnt make it right but there is f all we can do about it.

therecklessone

mycroft wrote:

Didn't you feel a tiny bit Alanis Morissette about having that world view while watching a documentary on Sky???

Tried to +rep ya Mycroft for that, but the Maaaaaaachine won't let me. Its the illuminati at work I tell thee.

I'll just have to show you some public love instead.

mycroft

I'll just have to show you some public love instead.

Please not in front of the children

Though if you're up for I know spot for dogging

therecklessone

mycroft wrote:

Please not in front of the children

Though if you're up for I know spot for dogging

You obviously missed the L...

parsi

Deleted User wrote:

That documentary last night (and I use the term documentary very loosely) was one of the worst researched I have ever seen. The presenter spoke to 3 crackpots who threw out some of the most ridiculous theories and statements I have ever heard. Come on,who believes these guys rob graves?? Bullsh*t.

Its on on Sky Mix now and they have produced evidence that it really exists - a photocopy of a genuine Illuminati membership booklet (just like any totally secret society has) ! Wow gee.. such proof eh ? Looked a bit like the secret agent one I got from Peter Lord in Warlord many years ago...

mike65

parsi wrote:

Wow gee.. such proof eh ? Looked a bit like the secret agent one I got from Peter Lord in Warlord many years ago...

Ah God that takes me back...to the days before rich western kids became deeply paranoid about paranoia.

Mike.

Sand

You know , Deconstruct has single handly rescued this thread from the depths of irrelevance. Probably should still go to recycle bin or at best after hours but still hes struggled bravely.

Only thing Id say is why would he consider capitalism, the triumph of private interests, as being a controlling manipulative force when it is individuals operating in their own interests, or coming together to form corporations? It has no grand dream for humanity beyond making profit for individuals. Everything else is a byproduct.

LightofDarkness

Oh, damn that programme was ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that the Illuminati (they do exist ladies and gentlemen, my uncle and his friends joined it in college, some are still in the low levels of the group, others have left) would allow that programme to be broadcast if it contained ANY damning evidence of their intentions? It was the same as the Bush and Titanic episodes. These shows just play of the Age of Paranoia, breaking no new ground. It's just Sky One folks, entertainment and ratings are paramount, no matter what the means. So along with that is the typical SKY One sensationalism.

The group do exist. They recruit mostly corporate upstarts, either in college or fresh from. What they would consider elites. They have publically stated before that they are not a secret organisation (that remains to be seen). they are seen largely as a social club. Basically, it is believed that if you are to succeed in the corporate or "elite" world, you must be a member. Now, while it remains to be seen that this organisation is a being of pure malevolence, they do not lie when they say that Satanic (or luciferian) imagery becomes obvious in the organisation, the higher up you go. I would like to get you all some evidence, once I find a friend of mine (ultra-liberal) who has a keen interest in the group's motives.

Keitho

mycroft wrote:

Whats fascinating about this kind of garbage is it's the easiest thing to swallow for the left.

"Why do these people do this?"

"cause they're evil"

So many anti globalisation protestors (and I'm on your side here mate) believe that they're "good" and the IMF WTO etc are "evil"

Its a gross over simplification but it's easier to stomach for someone who isn't interested in really plumming the depths of the "why" and "how" of the global political and economic situtation and just want everything to be equated in star wars "good" and "evil" terms.

These are the same people who accuse the government of gross stupidity and incompendence, while at the same time suggesting they're capable of profoundly complex plots to keep the masses stupid.

I'd highly recommend
[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393051242/103-3859
698-3908619?v=glance]this[/URL] book. The author is the former head of the world bank and he breaks down the thinking and flawed economic models of the world bank to demostration it's logic.

The suggestion that the world is wrong by some highly secret and hidden society is actually much easier to believe then the truth.

Oh and I can't believe I get to be the first to say this, but

FNORD

BAAAHHHAAAA HAA HAA HA!!!

Hi

I know what you're saying regarding the simplistic separation of the world powers into good and evil. The only thing I will say is that all of history's greatest ever tyrants are considered by all of the world's people to be evil in the sense of the word. Eg. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.
Consider this sceanario:
Lets say you're a Jewish citizen in Berlin or Warsaw or any other major European city in the early Nineteen thirties and someone is talking to you in a pub one night and tells you of a plot(conspiracy if you may) he read about relating to a little known political thug who is at the moment being funded and backed by wealthy families and faceless powers and intends to seize control of Germany and all of Europe and try to exterminate most of the Jewish race to pave the way for a world domination with the Arayan race at the forefront.
You're going to laugh in his face, tell him to stop being a paranoid freak and no doubt he will be labelled a conspiracy theorist by his friends behind his back Right?
Such sceanarios did happen and so did the rants of the "Paranoid" jew.
People are wrong to assume we live in a world where such past events are no longer going to happen due to the civilized nature of the world. A civilized nature where a country like America can unilaterally invade a country posing no threat to itself or the rest of the world and in turn has turned the world on its most volatile state since WW2.
I don't call myself a conspiracy theorist but I am a realist and firmly believe many of the world's devastating events do not happen by accident. People who don't do a lot of research are the ones who condem and laugh at those that have done their homework on the subject and have views that might seem to be a little unorthodox
Always have an open mind.

Truth goes through three stages.

First it's ridiculed
Then its violently opposed
Then its accepted as being self evident.

mycroft

Keitho wrote:

Lets say you're a Jewish citizen in Berlin or Warsaw or any other major European city in the early Nineteen thirties and someone is talking to you in a pub one night and tells you of a plot(conspiracy if you may) he read about relating to a little known political thug who is at the moment being funded and backed by wealthy families and faceless powers and intends to seize control of Germany and all of Europe and try to exterminate most of the Jewish race to pave the way for a world domination with the Arayan race at the forefront.
You're going to laugh in his face, tell him to stop being a paranoid freak and no doubt he will be labelled a conspiracy theorist by his friends behind his back Right?

Alternatively I could point out how that wacky german was infulenced himself by the book "the protocols of Zion" a popular conspiracy theory widely believed in 1910-20s europe and america. It stated that there was a world conspiracy of jews who ruled the world from behind the scenes. Read about it here

Hitler was huged infulenced by this conspiracy theory and it helped fuel the rising tide of anti semitism across europe. Furthermore considering jewish progroms were not limited to nazi germany, they occured before across europe, so if I was jewish and in Austria in 1930s I'd probably have said
"Oi Ve, again???"

I don't call myself a conspiracy theorist but I am a realist and firmly believe many of the world's devastating events do not happen by accident. People who don't do a lot of research are the ones who condem and laugh at those that have done their homework on the subject and have views that might seem to be a little unorthodox

I am a realist, and you apparently haven't done the research.

It's easier to dig a funny little conspiracy hole and disappear down it, then look for the truth, look stupid by association.

What conspiracys do do is waste time effort and energy working on a spurious argument and make the people who really want to get to the bottom of the cause and effect of global events.

Sleepy

The Illuminati are a fairytale. Just like Religeon, Benevolant Dictatorship (outside the realm of boards.ie and the like), Communism being a workable form of government and democracy being the most intelligent way to rule.

Democracy is in essence the rule of the mob (as an old sig of Syxpak's used to read: "Committees are something that take minutes and waste hours"), Communism starts off as a utopian ideal but in essence becomes a hereditory dictatorship that makes a mockery of the ideals it started out with. Just because someone is born to wealthy parents does not make them a better person than a normal person. It doesn't mean, howeverm that they should have to give you half their wealth in the name of "social justice".

The government's role (IMHO) is to ensure that taxes are collected in a manner that ensures an individual's contribution to the state is in line with their ability to pay and to use that money to provide education, healthcare, justice for all the inhabitants of that state and a stable economic environment where all citizens have an opportunity to make something of themselves. At this point, however, it's obligations to it's citizens should end.

It's funny how few taxpayers agree with the idea of Communism or a system whereby one can draw from state resources without contributing anything back to it. It seems to me that the majority of those that do agree with these ideals are those that would benefit most from such a scheme (i.e. those that want a free ride in life).

It's almost always these people who fall into the conspiracy theorist category. Those that WANT to believe it's someone else's fault their life isn't a success. Sure, the government is rife with corruption but quite simply these are the actions of individuals. Even the worst offenders in this regard in this country, Fianna Fail, are almost entirely made up of people with only the best of intentions (however misguided). If all the conspiracy theorists could just put the same time and effort into well researched investigative journalism on the shady practices of our leaders or indeed into getting into government themselves you'd find the real cause of all your woes: human nature. By our very nature, all humans (barring a miniscule minority of the likes of Mother Theresa) act in our own best interest. If your best interests are to ensure that the bogeyman of "Big Business" doesn't ruin the world, get yourself or someone who shares your beliefs elected, put new legislation into place and ensure more transparency and accountability exists in this country. Don't dream up secret societies that rule the world from behind the system, get into the system yourself, discover that they don't exist and improve it from within. It worked for the Greeks in Troy didn't it?

AmenToThat

Well the Bilderberg group most certainly is real. Meets yearly under great secrecy.
When it was exposed it was claimed that this was for security reasons.
I remember seeing a documentary about it on C4 which, unusualy for C4 was never repeated (to my knowledge).
As for that crap on Sky about the Illuminati the style in which the documentary was done was to take the piss out of everyone and as such discredit their work.
If thats Sky's idea of serious journalism I hope they stop now and stick to the Simpsons.

Piste

The Illuminati forum is private, how can I access it?

MeatProduct

All this is is another way for the individual to avoid responsiblity for their own life and reality. It's just the same with religion and science. We let ourselves be limted by what we are told the world around us is.

We all know this deep down.

Nick

DeVore

The illuminati board is a private forum for people who met on Boards and wanted to talk about things that I wouldnt have tolerated be discussed in public for reasons of taste and underage concerns. They gave it the name because at the time there was a Freemason board which served exactly the same purpose for a different group of people from Boards. Both named their private forums such names to drive the "conspiracy theorists" on boards nuts. Search for "Kim Tae Woo" for example.

Obviously I'd say this though, I am after all, a freemason.

DeV.

DeVore

In fact its here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=604481&postcount=47

DeV.