Dynamo awarded 3-0 win against Roma

therecklessone

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/3661010.stm

UEFA getting tough with Roma I've no problem with.

My question is why didn't the 4th official take over for the 2nd half? Say if UEFA had decided to order a rematch, Dynamo would have lost their advantage from the abandoned game. Surely it would have been better to play the match out, then leave it to UEFA to decide a punishment?

maybe given the circumstances the ref who was hit thought the fourth official might be very intimidated in the second half and the dirty Italians and home crowd would take advantage of this....its possible that with 10 men and 1-0 down they still might win it...

As it is everything worked out just fine IMHO

pickarooney

Apaprently it was Frisk's decision to call off the match, rather than have the 4th official replace him. A wise decision, as it would have played into the hands of the thugs and put his colleague at risk.
I wonder would they have called it off if the fan had missed.

therecklessone

Deleted User wrote:

maybe given the circumstances the ref who was hit thought the fourth official might be very intimidated in the second half and the dirty Italians and home crowd would take advantage of this....its possible that with 10 men and 1-0 down they still might win it...

Yeah, I accept that, but isn't possible that if it had finished with Roma winning, UEFA could have:

(a) ordered a replay as punishment, or
(b) awarded Dynamo the 3-0 win

As it was, Frisk decided the match shouldn't carry on (and I wasn't party to the advice he may/may not have got from the Italian police), meaning that had UEFA been leniant on Roma they may have just ordered a replay and Dynamo would have lost their advantage from the 1st half.

Its all immaterial anyway, now that they have ruled as they have. Good to see a club get a rap on the knuckles for this sort of thing, its been creeping into the European game of late, far too much of it for my liking.

The Rooster

The match should have been continuted, either by Frisk or the 4th official. IMO you cant have fans deciding the outcome of matches - as ultimately happened. Should one scumbag bring a whole club down? Whats to stop a Lazio fan trying to doing the same at the next Roma home game?

The injury looked bad, and I'm sure was very sore for a few minutes, but when blood travels down on to the face it looks worse than it is. I was very surprised he wasnt able to continue after having it looked at for 30 minutes, and even more surprised that Frisk decided the 4th official wasnt up to officiating either.

But then again, Frisk is the ultimate primadonna, and he wanted to make the most of the incident as he possibly could.

3-0 was the best decision UEFA could have made, but it still isnt fair on the Roma players.

leeroybrown

The referee was injured by a missile from the home crowd so I think he was right in calling the match off.

If a team's fans continuously carry on like this they'll quite quickly find that not being able to attend their matches and not being able to play in competitions is enough of an incentive to root out the troublemakers.

The Muppet

By awarding Dynamo the game is that not possibly punishing the other teams in the Group who did nothing wrong? Dynamo get 3 points and plus 3 on their goal difference which they may not have got if the game was finished.

The Rooster

It was a lighter, not a missile.

Despicable behaviour by that person, but the game should have continued IMO.

Imposter

The Rooster wrote:

It was a lighter, not a missile.

Despicable behaviour by that person, but the game should have continued IMO.

Accordinmg to the indo it was a coin. It also said that a lighter was thrown but it missed him. Roma are also talking about sueing the individual should they discover who it was.

leeroybrown

It was a lighter, not a missile.

Flammable ... An incendiary missile!

pickarooney

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=missile

The club will have to frisk the fans on the way in, in future.














I'll get me coat.

mayordenis

the decision was the only good one made by any football governing body in a long time.

therecklessone

pickarooney wrote:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=missile

The club will have to frisk the fans on the way in, in future.














I'll get me coat.

I'll hand it to ya...

therecklessone

The Muppet wrote:

By awarding Dynamo the game is that not possibly punishing the other teams in the Group who did nothing wrong? They get 3 points and plus 3 on their goal difference which they may not have got if the game was finished.

Never looked at it from that angle either.

Also, does Mexes red card stand? Will he be banned for their next match?

The Rooster

Mexes got a 2 match ban

........for inciting a fan to throw a coin/lighter/missile at Frisk, that completely ruined his hairstyle. They had a big white bandage going around his head, a la Terry Butcher, but Frisk refused to be seen in public in such a state

leeroybrown

I presume that 3 - 0 is that standard scoreline that UEFA award when a match is awarded to a team after being abandoned.

Big Ears

The Rooster wrote:

It was a lighter, not a missile.

Isn't the definiton of missle something along the lines of a flying/airborne object that is not being controlled by a person inside it ? , things are always classified as a missle when thrown from the crowd .

In the past I thought a 2-0 outcome was usually the result in a case like this , but Dynamo were 1-0 up .

It was a correct descision to stop the game and the correct decision was given out .

I don't really think Frisk is a Primadonna either(are you a Roma fan Rooster ?) , infact I think he is currently the best referee in the world .(Collina is retired isn't he ? , otherwise I would rate him better .)

therecklessone

Big Ears wrote:

In the past I thought a 2-0 outcome was usually the result in a case like this , but Dynamo were 1-0 up .

Nah, its always a 3-0 thats given.

Bateman

The porn star whould not have been assigned this game anyway, after the scenes when he refereed Roma-Galatasaray last season.
Roma fully deserved their punishment, but I agree that awarding a 3 goal win is harsh on the other teams, one of whom could miss out on a UEFA Cup place if Kyiv qualify as 3rd placed team in the group. Although one of the teams in the group is Madrid; no sympathy for them obviously; can't wait to see them getting beat by Athletic on Saturday. Gora Athletic!

The Rooster

I'm not a Roma fan at all.

But Frisk is a total primadonna. His pre-match warm up routines are pure cringe :rolleyes: He loves the limelight.

I agree completely with UEFA's decision to award 3-0 to Kiev. But I believe the decision to abandon the game was not correct, and unfair on both the Roma players and the 4th official who Frisk said was not up to the task!

I know that Frisk was the victim here also, and I know from experience that its an unpleasant experience being hit by a coin. But IMO Frisk wanted to make the most of this incident as he possibly could. He waited 30 minutes to decide whether his best option would be to go out looking like he'd a big towel wrapped around his head or whether to try an abandon the game. And being the blouse that he is, he was always going to choose the latter - and in doing so making the nonsensical decision that a 4th official appointed by UEFA wasnt up to the job.

The Clown Man

In fairness I think he was right.

It is the clubs fault that they have taken no steps to try to mollify their violent fans and accordingly the club is punished. How else are they going to be made put some level of control in the Olympic Stadium. Also, the 3-0 result shows the fans that their conduct and future conduct are very much a part of their teams success.

If Frisk beleived any of the match officials were in danger than there is no way he could have let the match go on. They are not paid to take physical abuse. It is then a matter for their employers, UEFA, to act to stop it from happening again. And deal with the repercussions. Its not the match officials business to manage the running of the CL, but it is in their own personal interest to get the hell out of there.

Also, anyone considered chance that the 4th official refused to go out? Frisk's statement would fit in nicely if he did.