Kevin Kilbane

K!LL!@N

It's not just about his performance last night.
I was just reminded last night and posted about it.
It has nothing to do with the general performance of the irish team.
I just don't think he's international material and i posted about it.

Killian

Pigman II

Kilbane is a class act! People having been drawing the knives against him ever since the emergence of Duff but the lad has always managed to hold a place and that has to show he has a definite worth out there, especially considering theres been a change of manager since his intro.

After Cunningham and Duff, Skillbane is my first name on the teamsheet and I hope he'll be with us for another couple of years at least.

dirkey_wynne

I agree totally Killian. He's not good enough. End of story. To make a case for him, as some people have been doing on here, because he "tries so hard all the time" is just ridiculous!

Chong

In regards to the brutality of how kilbane plays is a joke. May be so he plays atrociously at national level, but at club level you ask any everton fan what they think of kev, they'll tell you that man absolutly runs his guts week in week out and he is probably one of the more consistant players at everton. Also if you watch sky sports, anyone who commentates on an everton game or analyses it will mostly always have something good to say about Kev. His work rate is magnificent.

Third_Echelon

Kilbane of old a few seasons ago was a very shaky player lacking confidence. His last season for sunderland and last year for everton he was a very consistent player both on the left wing where he mostly plays for everton and the odd occasion where he has had to play in the middle due to injuries etc...

He has also weighed in with some very important goals from midfield. A lot of his runs do have a product at the end. I've watched him a lot last year as I am an Evertonian. I was one of the doubters when moyes bought him, but i thought he deserves a chance and he has taken it and proved his worth... He can also fill in at left-back as well, so overall hes a good player to have in your squad...

I was at the Hungary friendly game a few weeks ago in Landsdowne and kilbane was one of the best players on the pitch. I thought Roy also played ok in that game, but most of the play came through kilbane. He had a decent game against cyprus. Some of his passes didnt make it due to being under pressure from players etc, but people here are over-exagerating the bad points of kilbane.

Against the swiss there were a lot of players that were not performing well. Notably Carr, Cunningham, Reid, Roy Keane, Robbie Keane. The 2 keanes haven't played a lot of football recently and it showed. Robbie's touch was woeful. He just wasnt clued in at all. Pointing the finger at kilbane is just the easy option for a lot of people. He was playing out of his regular position. Runs he made from midfield were promosing on occasions..

Kerrs tactic were strange. He is a cautious manager at the best of times, but the defence was playing way too deep. That was the root of the problem. There was very little link play between midfield and attacke, ultimately because they were playing too deep. The back line was virtually playing from the 18 yard line..

On the Roy Keane issue, I'm glad to see him back, but i think there are too many red-tinted glasses when it comes to his performances in here from the man utd contingent. You may the same to me with regards to kilbando but im realistic about his talents and limits... Ireland would be worse off without kilbane... There will be a lot of people on this forum swallowing a lot of words in the internationals to come.. you have been warned..

(PS. Its not that well known but kilbando is actually brazilian )

Paladin

Third_Echelon wrote:

Kilbane of old a few seasons ago was a very shaky player lacking confidence. His last season for sunderland and last year for everton he was a very consistent player ...

LOL
Consistantly bad.
Sunderland fans used to boo him for cripes sake. Only got picked cause of Mick McCarthy. Can you imaging how bad you must be for your own fans to boo you? And this was a regular thing, not just a once off match.
For example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/2171965.stm
When he got in trouble for giving the finger to his own fans because he was so sick of being booed off (and this was a bloody friendly!)

Dunno who else said they had a game where they used to count the times he lost the ball - my friends had a similiar game except we counted the times he DIDNT lose the ball and it was a much much lower number
Nice fella, hard worker, terrible with the ball. Find it funny he plays in the premiership.

The Clown Man

Lol I'm waiting for the "Kilbane is my uncle" post!

eirebhoy

Paladin wrote:

Find it funny he plays in the premiership.

Not only does he play in the premiership but he's one of Everton's best players. The old Kilbane is gone, forget the past and move on. He's a different player now. The Kilbane that played for Sunderland was consistently low in confidence which also transferred itself to internationals. He was no worse than Carr last night and has been playing well in previous matches. This is his first bad game for Ireland in ages and he gets a new thread opened up.

The Muppet

Kilbane is not and never was good enought for International football and he is keeping better players than himself on the bench. Roy Keane is not keeping a better player than himself out of the team even when he has a bad game. If we were to drop all the players that played poorly last night we would be starting with a blank sheet for the outfield players.

BTW JTG we got a point more than we did without Roy.

jesus_thats_gre

See, there is always the muppet to brighten your day!!

Thanx 4 The Fish

The Muppet wrote:

Kilbane is not and never was good enought for International football and he is keeping better players than himself on the bench. Roy Keane is not keeping a better player than himself out of the team even when he has a bad game. If we were to drop all the players that played poorly last night we would be starting with a blank sheet for the outfield players.

BTW JTG we got a point more than we did without Roy.

Funny that I was under the impression that Roy did not play on the weekend and we got three points, which is more than one point isn't it.

Last night we had a number of people who did not play in the previous swiss game.

Good thing that he recovers so quickly from those injuries eh, seems alot like the Roy of old.

cournioni

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

Funny that I was under the impression that Roy did not play on the weekend and we got three points, which is more than one point isn't it.

Last night we had a number of people who did not play in the previous swiss game.

Good thing that he recovers so quickly from those injuries eh, seems alot like the Roy of old.

*sigh*

Some people can never forgive and forget. :rolleyes:

Thanx 4 The Fish

*Sigh even more just for added effect*

Forgive and forget what exactly?

As far as I am concerned whenever Roy Keane is fit to play for Ireland he should play, if he plays to his full potential then he is obviously an asset to the team, Wednesday he was no better than Kilbane or Carr or Finnan or anybody else on the pitch.

cournioni

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

*Sigh even more just for added effect*

Forgive and forget what exactly?

"Good thing that he recovers so quickly from those injuries eh, seems alot like the Roy of old."

Seems like a bit of a dig at him.

Thanx 4 The Fish

I was just marvelling at his incredible recuperative abilities. Now any more comment on how bad K squared was ?

Third_Echelon

Kilbando's OPTA index stats from last season:

Appearances: 30
Minutes on the pitch: 2361
Bookings: 1 yellow

Offences:
Offsides: 1
Total fouls conceded: 31
Fouls in danger area: 3
Penalties conceded:0

Defensive:
Total tackles made: 88
Last man saving tackles: 0
Tackles won percent: 30
Corners conceded: 11
Interceptions: 12

Passing and Crossing:
Total passes: 922
Pass completion: 71%
Total Crosses: 101
Cross completion: 13%

Dribbling:
Dribbles: 209
Dribble completion: 53% (How do you complete a dribble?)

Goals:
Goals scored: 3
Goal assists: 1
Goals inside box: 2
Goals outside box: 1
Goals to shots ratio inside box: 12%
Goals to shots ratio outside box: 6%
Goals to shots ratio overall: 9%

Shooting:
Shots on target: 13
Shots on target inside box inc goals: 6
Shots on target outside box: 7
Shots cleared off the line: 0
Shots of target: 21
Shots off target inside box: 11
Shots off target outside box: 10
Shooting accuracy inside percent: 35%
Shooting accuracy outside: 41%


Now i dont know about your opinion... but they are not the stats of a shockingly bad player who isnt fit to play football... :rolleyes:

eirebhoy

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

I was just marvelling at his incredible recuperative abilities. Now any more comment on how bad K squared was ?

Man U dropped 4 points while Keane was away so I think its unfair to say he's only playing the important games. He came over for the Poland game which almost everyone missed and was sent home by the FAI medical staff. He played against Romania and Bulgaria.

The Muppet

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

Funny that I was under the impression that Roy did not play on the weekend and we got three points, which is more than one point isn't it.

Last night we had a number of people who did not play in the previous swiss game.

Good thing that he recovers so quickly from those injuries eh, seems alot like the Roy of old.

When did you change your username?

I was replying directly to Jesus Thats Greats Quote below and to put my comment in context the game I was referring to was the last time we played Switzerland without Roy but hey dont let that get in the way of having a go eh!

Jesus Thats Great wrote:

I am nearly glad they did not win tonight, purely because Keane would have ended up getting the credit considering he was missing for the previous Swiss matches..

Seaneh

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Sure, he made a two mistakes, who didn't tonight? The fact is he didn't play half as bad as Kilbane. That is what we are talking about right?

Roy and Robbie Keane, along with Carr were Ireland worst players, Reid was close behind them.

Thanx 4 The Fish

So how many of the people who say that Kevin Kilbane is not good enough to play international football would like some sauce to eat their words with ?

He was superb on Saturday, great running, good passing and all the stepoverlike skill of C Ronaldo. Any nay sayers aftre his MOM performance on Saturday ?

LegacyUser

He works his bolllox off for the team. That alone is more than some players on the pitch do.

RE*AC*TOR

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

So how many of the people who say that Kevin Kilbane is not good enough to play international football would like some sauce to eat their words with ?

He was superb on Saturday, great running, good passing and all the stepoverlike skill of C Ronaldo. Any nay sayers aftre his MOM performance on Saturday ?

I'd probably fall into that category. I'll admit on Saturday, he was a class act. Having gone to 95% of the Ireland home matches in the last 4 years though, that is the very 1st time I've been impressed by him. For the most part he makes good runs down the line, which lead to nothing. Perhaps his appointment to a central role has precipitated the turnaround, but I'll reserve my judgement until further evidence has been acquired.

The Muppet

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

So how many of the people who say that Kevin Kilbane is not good enough to play international football would like some sauce to eat their words with ?

He was superb on Saturday, great running, good passing and all the stepoverlike skill of C Ronaldo. Any nay sayers aftre his MOM performance on Saturday ?

Interestinly he was played in a differnt position on Saturday and did well. I would wait until he reproduces that performance for a couple of games before going overboard about him. We would not want to get caught up in the English habit of overhyping players after one good performance and slaughtering them when they have a bad one would we ?

I don't think Kilbane is good enought to play on the left wing when we have Duffers avaiable. I didn't see anything to change my mind about that on Saturdauy last and that's taking nothing away from Kilbane who put in a good performance as the whole team did.

eirebhoy

Kilbane hasn't played on the left wing since the Switzerland game exactly a year ago. He played in the centre against Brazil, Czech's, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Switzerland and France and is a completely different player. People still have memories of the old Kilbane running endlessly down the left wing. Forget the old Kilbane, the new transformed Kilbane is a lot better than Matty Holland (I'd still have Kav ahead of both though).

I would wait until he reproduces that performance for a couple of games before going overboard about him. We would not want to get caught up in the English habit of overhyping players after one good performance and slaughtering them when they have a bad one would we ?

The Swiss match was his only ever bad performance in the centre in those 6 games mentioned above, I think people who slated him after the Swiss game are the ones who are getting caught up in the English habit.

The Muppet

eirebhoy wrote:

The Swiss match was his only ever bad performance in the centre in those 6 games mentioned above, I think people who slated him after the Swiss game are the ones who are getting caught up in the English habit.

Well I,m not . I have never thought he was good enough for International Football and I,m not going to change that opinion after one good performance. I don't agree with you that Swiss match was his only ever bad game in thoise 6 games . Hopefully he will prove me wrong .

thejollyrodger

With such a great performance of Kilbane on saturday night and Kavanagh giving a demonstration of his passing skills and tackling ability its time we finally say adios to mr invisible

The Muppet

thejollyrodger wrote:

With such a great performance of Kilbane on saturday night and Kavanagh giving a demonstration of his passing skills and tackling ability its time we finally say adios to mr invisible

We've the Invisible Man playing for us ? Is that why our results have improved of late and here was me thinking it was because we had our only world class central midfielder back.

eirebhoy

The Muppet wrote:

We've the Invisible Man playing for us ? Is that why our results have improved of late and here was me thinking it was because we had our only world class central midfielder back.

He's talking about Matt Holland.

The Muppet

eirebhoy wrote:

He's talking about Matt Holland.

????

Your point is.

It was a joke.

puntosporting

Kilbane is a good honest player but at times i cant help but feel he is out of his depth,loosing possesion in key areas and delivering poor balls into the box!
Then on the other hand his performance on saturday was excellent,its always going to be tough on a player like kilbane,for his heart alone do i reckon he is deserving of his place in the team he helps bring a strong team spirit together which is important for any irish team!