Include names of reputation givers?

Tellox

I've noticed that theres a severe lack of identity of the users who add/deduct reputation from you. Although Im not really up for the whole karma/reputation/points/gimmicks system(s) on forums(but each to their own), its fairly irritating when someone gives you bad pts without giving a comment, or a nick. Personally, I'd rather ask them what their problem is with my post. Sure, if it was an argumentive thread, I'd fully understand someone disagreeing with me, but some of the things that reputation is given/taken for really take the cookie.

Although as I said before, it doesnt really bother me about the numbers/little squares next to my nick, a couple of others have come complaining to me about this. From what I can make out, a friend would give them good rep and an enemy would give them bad rep, no matter what the post was like

I know this wouldnt really be the case with most users, but theres clearly going to be some gits giving/detracting rep just because they dislike someone. And the odd one that'd just do it for the sake of it.

Is there any chance of including a nickname of the person who alters your reputation? It'd stop people from altering anothers rep knowing that it doesnt matter what they say/do, they cant be caught..

(sorry if I didnt make much sense, didnt get much kip last night)

mike65

While it might be "interesting" to know the ID of those who add or subtract it would also result in a lot of you-scratch-my-backing or even feuding if the karma is bad.

Mike.

aidan_walsh

There is also the flip side of this that people can rate a person who rated them down in revenge this way... Personally, I'd rather see the comment box removed, so as to avoid anonymous flames...

Jim

I think the whole point of it is so that people can give bad rep without the fear of recieving some themselves. If you found out who gave you bad rep you might give them bad rep for giving you bad rep, and then they give you bad rep for you giving thm bad rep for them giving you bad rep etc...

Anyways, sometimes I find it ammusing when I give someone bad rep, then they start demanding to know who gave it to them and acuse everyone else on the thread of doing it.

mrhappy42

seems to be unwritten rule that you add your id into the comments box. Either way it should be mandatory to put in some form of text. In other words should only be possible to add/take karma when you give a reason...for all you know someone clicked on it by mistake.......give me points I want to reach nervana...or whatever.

flogen

what all the above said.
As I mentioned before, knowing who gave you bad rep will just start a tit for tat kind of thing. I may give you bad rep for a good reason, but you might give me the same just because your annoyed at me for that.
Generally I put my name on the rep anyway, just so people know, and a few people who have given me good and bad rep have done the same.

Besides, its not a big part of boards, so I wouldn't be too bothered in knowing who it was who gave me good or bad rep.

Saying that, I would like to see a comment, a reason why they gave me bad rep, or good. Maybe set it so you have to type something, and cant leave it blank?

flogen

Jim

flogen wrote:

Saying that, I would like to see a comment, a reason why they gave me bad rep, or good. Maybe set it so you have to type something, and cant leave it blank?

flogen

Space bar / .

BuffyBot

Exactly, the lack of naming has it's good a bad points - but I don't think I'd be all that worried about who gives me good/bad karma - as someone said, it's only a small part of boards.ie, and *if* your posts are good, they'll stand out and speak for themselves irrespective of one persons opinions on the matter.

mrhappy42

Force them to type something would be great. Then if you get 'fhfjhsakf' or '....' you know someone if being a bllx

damien

I wonder how many ppl just gave Tellox negative karma for this thread.

ecksor

mrhappy42 wrote:

seems to be unwritten rule that you add your id into the comments box.

It's unwritten because it isn't a rule. If you're going to take such name signing at face value then you may find yourself getting manipulated in other ways.

Tellox

damien.m wrote:

I wonder how many ppl just gave Tellox negative karma for this thread.

one good and one bad
but the good one had kisses wheras the bad one just had someone trying to be clever. I remain happy.

chewy

could we give the idea of repuation some negative karma i don't like agree with having to give reasons

sceptre

ecksor wrote:

It's unwritten because it isn't a rule. If you're going to take such name signing at face value then you may find yourself getting manipulated in other ways.

Mmmm, indeed. OH NOE, Scary User 47 gave me bad rep points and signed it! I MUST get him back. Oh hang on, it could have been anyone else who just signed it with the name of someone they didn't like.

ApeXaviour

IMO this reputation points thing really won't work, not necessarily because its a bad idea. It's good in theory but it won't work in practice because it has such a potential to be used wrongly and abused.

The examples of abuse are stated by others above.

Example of used wrongly:
I began a thread where I posted (and which I explicitely stated was) the opinion of somebody else. Yet someone gave me a bad rep point stating that my opinion was "ludacris". Stupid stupid person didn't even read the bloody post..

daveirl

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mrhappy42

daveirl wrote:

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I would have given you my id if I had done it :-) I think in the recent tread on 'who would you vote for...' a lot of people trashed around with the karma stuff not 'cos post was bad or anything just did not agree with the politics...being able to seperate the two needs a bit of maturity which can be hard to find sometimes if you saw the quality of some of the posts.

Maybe the karma should be about 'how' you express your self rather than 'what' you say....good posts, show consideration, balance of opinion, curtious etc.

daveirl

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Crash

I just think the comment should be obligatory - makes sense really. no ID needed but comment would be a good idea.

Boston

sceptre wrote:

Mmmm, indeed. OH NOE, Scary User 47 gave me bad rep points and signed it! I MUST get him back. Oh hang on, it could have been anyone else who just signed it with the name of someone they didn't like.

Every time I give out negative Karma I sign it Ecksor. Problem is I only give it to Ecksor so there maybe a flaw in my logic somewhere.

ecksor

I'd never sign it with a capital 'E' anyway. I love how you give me negative karma online but when I met you in the pub the other day you bought me a pint. Cheers for that btw, although I had a vicious head on me Saturday morning.

Boston

ecksor wrote:

although I had a vicious head on me Saturday morning.

I love it when a plan comes together... I don't really take any of this Karma stuff seriously, can't say I take boards to seriously either. Sorry I wasn't abite more talkative in the pub, had a pisser of a day and needed to discuss something with the guy I introduced you to.

ecksor

You know, if you start taking boards a bit more seriously then it might put your real life problems into perspective for you.

Mercury_Tilt

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Boston

ecksor wrote:

You know, if you start taking boards a bit more seriously then it might put your real life problems into perspective for you.

It's less that I don't take it seriously, it more that I don't take the drama seriously. You know as well as I do that one minute someone will be praising you on boards, and the next they'll be calling for your blood, it's hard to take this kinda thing serious. The only thing I take serious here, is the contributions are sacrifices you guys (administration) make.

ecksor

We haven't even been making many sacrifices since the cops confiscated our stash of young calves and goats.

Boston

ecksor wrote:

We haven't even been making many sacrifices since the cops confiscated our stash of young calves and goats.

They even took syke? Damn...

BEAT

my question is this, my phrase keeps chaning but there are no more little boxes...like my phrase is the same as someones with 2 boxes but i have 1 box. So how does the poiint/box system work? how many points before you get another box?

Jim

Well, I got another one after I broke 100. So I'm guessing it goes in 100's.

flogen

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

Well, I got another one after I broke 100. So I'm guessing it goes in 100's.

edit... what I said made no sense.... sorry.

flogen

keu

Indeed, You shall become famous soon enough Tellox.

I dunno if that counts as a "psychic prediction", but I do take visa and all other major credit cards.

mrhappy42

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

Well, I got another one after I broke 100. So I'm guessing it goes in 100's.

why dont you all test it by giving me karma and I'll let you know how many points you need :-)

amp

It amazed me before and it amazes me now that people get concerned about some abstract number that has no effect other than to trigger preset phrases to appear beside your nick.

That said it is slightly easier to identify morons.

Crash

amp wrote:

It amazed me before and it amazes me now that people get concerned about some abstract number that has no effect other than to trigger preset phrases to appear beside your nick.

That said it is slightly easier to identify morons.

DeVore told me the other day that every 50-100 points adds an inch to your penis.

Agent Smith

keep telling yourself that crash...

Moriarty

I heard that for every 150 points you get another penis.



/nods sagely

Amz

Oh... that explains it...
:eek:

littleninja

I don't get that point system at all, I mean what is it all in aid of??? Does it actually MEAN anything?

jesus_thats_gre

I couldnt give a sh!t about karma, I just want more stars...

Ohh how I would love more stars....

Boston

crash_000 wrote:

DeVore told me the other day that every 50-100 points adds an inch to your penis.

So that's one for you then neil ( or Niall if that is your real name )

BEAT

amp wrote:

It amazed me before and it amazes me now that people get concerned about some abstract number that has no effect other than to trigger preset phrases to appear beside your nick.

That said it is slightly easier to identify morons.

I do not think asking questions about a new feature makes one a moron, maybe if you cared how many points/boxes you had, but wondering how something new works does not a moron make

Moriarty

There was a link to the vbulletin manual explaining how the reputation system worked in the last big thread on reputation here in the feedback forum.

mrhappy42

mrhappy42 wrote:

why dont you all test it by giving me karma and I'll let you know how many points you need :-)

I just got two negative points for this joke...the comments where poor and gave no real underlying reason or argument. Its ironic that this is the whole point of this discussion and those that left the negative karma would do well to read the discussion first before jumping on band wagons.

The entries are listed below. This is a good example of what Karma (in my opinion) is not aimed at. I does not help me or those who provided the karma in anyway.

Include names of reputa... 31-08-2004 01:09 Don't fink so...
Include names of reputa... 30-08-2004 21:55 you want karma, you got karma

sceptre

BEAT wrote:

I do not think asking questions about a new feature makes one a moron, maybe if you cared how many points/boxes you had, but wondering how something new works does not a moron make

I think he's saying that someone with a big red blob (or multiple red blobs) is more likely to be a moron than someone with multiple greens so it's useful as a rough guide. Amp obviously knows his own mind better than I do but I reckon that's what he means.

BuffyBot

I just got two negative points for this joke...the comments where poor and gave no real underlying reason or argument.

It's hardly fair, but if you put temptation in peoples way someones gonna do it!

sceptre

And to Boston (with the rep comment): I'm not that "willem D guy" (I've only got one username (this one) anywhere on the Net (except on any ezboard forums where my global username is sceptre1)). I've too little time on my hands to pretend to be anyone else, even a buxom blonde wench from Sweden, tempting and all as that may be to all of us. Recheck sensors and set to wide angle.

BEAT

sceptre wrote:

I think he's saying that someone with a big red blob (or multiple red blobs) is more likely to be a moron than someone with multiple greens so it's useful as a rough guide. Amp obviously knows his own mind better than I do but I reckon that's what he means.

you may be right i may have misread that..Ampie is such a sweetie pie afterall

Boston

sceptre wrote:

Mmmm, indeed. OH NOE, Scary User 47 gave me bad rep points and signed it! I MUST get him back. Oh hang on, it could have been anyone else who just signed it with the name of someone they didn't like.

I feel Hurt sceptre, it was obviously someone else what did the deed.

Boston

BEAT wrote:

you may be right i may have misread that..Ampie is such a sweetie pie afterall

Still, I think he'd be better neutered, be abite less humpy

Hobbes

No such thing as tit-for-tat unless you are both at low levels.

Welcome to Karma wars.

Generally pick the people you think might give you negative karma and hit them first, then those who might give you good karma or have high points, give them good karma signed so you have a chance of moving up the ladder.

Treat it like a game.

Gordon

I'm starting to get fed up of people saying that they got negative karma for certain posts. It has caused many thread hijacks and one near miss on PI, at least. If this continues we'll have threads filled with comments coming out of nowhere complaining or lol-ing at karma comments.

I was really excited at the new feature when it was introduced and I learned the tricks on how to get to the top of the ranks. Only Bru stopped me! And I couldn't give her negative karma twice! I did it by neg-repping the users above me, sometimes blaming it on other users (the user above them) and sometimes just writing a funny comment (haha merc). In fact I think I've only given four +karmas out and none of them knew who I was (well, maybe one gold star). It was fun for the four days I did, it my karma whoring, and now I think it's causing glitches in the boards matrix.

Personally, if this rep thing is to stay I would much rather not know who is giving me karma at all as it would be a more honest feedback on how people view your posts on this online intercobweb. As I do like people enjoying my posts.

But I wish we had the option to turn it off if we so wished. Also, I'm going to take a harder stance on thread off-topicness concerning karma points soon on Personal Tissues.

Oh, yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing what karma I get today and tomorrow, particularly after telling merc and Bru (to name only two) that I gave them neg points just to beat them in the karma race. :P