Check on PC specs

Smellyirishman

OK just need a quick confirmation on these specs,

PC is for Gaming , Gaming and eh... GAMING! I know there is no keyboard thats OK

Any suggestions would be nice if ya got any, budget is €1500.

Suggestions on LCD would be particularly nice! (only a 15" is needed)

KOMPLETT:
Abit IC7 Mainboard for S478/800mhz I875P,SATA,ATX,Dual-DDR,1394 €120
Intel Pentium 4 3.0 GHz Boxed PC800 Socket PGA478, 1MB cache, Prescott €190
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit w/two matched CMX512-3200C2 DIMMs €245
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Atlantis PRO 128MB AGP,256bit bus,DVI-I,TV-Out, Lite-Retail €210
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120GB IDE ATA/100 8MB cache 7200RPM €87
Sony CD recorder 52x/32x/52x IDE black OEM €33
Creative Inspire T2900 (Sub,2 monitors,amplifier), Retail €57
Eizo 15" LCD FlexScan L367 TCO-99 Black Monitor €380

IT DIRECT:

LanBoy/MT 350W 4x5.25" 2x3.5" ATX €119

MISC

Razer Boomer Control €50

€1491

Azza

The specs look good.

As for a lcd screen I'm not sure who make good ones but what you want to look out for is response time and contrast ratio.

And a monitor that can at least support a resoultion of 1024x768 at 75hz.

I recently got a lcd with a response time of 25ms ( you would preferable want 16ms) and a contrast ratio of 400:1 which meant doom III was unplayable to me as it was too dark. you will something 500:1 or 600:1. If your not worried about games don't worry too much about what I just said. Have to say the picture on the lcd is so much sharper than my old crt. Of course the better the specs the more you pay. Just remember low response time and high contrast ratio the better. others might be able to help you out on area's that are important when its comes to lcds.

Smellyirishman

Its for a friend, Ye I got a Hitachi cml174sxw2 so I know what to look for in a TFT but I was just wondering if anyone knows any good 15 ones cause the 17s are too expensive, if he had the money I would get him a Hitachi or an imagequest

the Hitachi is 400:1 and 16ms and I find Doom 3 fine to play, except for the fact that its quite repetative and boring, but graphics wise its fine

the one in the list is 450:1 and 25ms (shouldnt really ghost, and if it did he wouldnt care because he would be running HL2 at 60fps near full graphics and knows little bout pc specifics )

Pantera

Anything with a low response time <16ms is prefect eg Viewsonic VP201 , Hitachi CML174B and CML 175B , Samsung 172X. I have a samsung 172x and I find it excellent and would highly recommend it. Note these model numbers may be out of date by now but in general the key is to check the response time. Komplett list it in the specs for most of their range. Hope this has been of assistance

Sorry I just realised that all of the above are 17" but Hitachi's range of CML15's are perfect for the job not to sure about samsung/viewsonic

Smellyirishman

Are they all 15inch? 17inch is just TOO dear for my mate

[EDIT] 3 17s and a 20inch, these are too expensive, but thanks for the help, think ill get one of those samsung monitors the next time I pick up a TFT seems like a really good one, got a price?

Pantera

Pantera wrote:

Sorry I just realised that all of the above are 17" but Hitachi's range of CML15's are perfect for the job not to sure about samsung/viewsonic

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Smellyirishman

LOL perfect thanks

OfflerCrocGod

Get a 19" CRT that will p1ss all over a crummy 15" 1024*768 LCD and will be cheaper aswell; believe me I have seen the difference between those kinda screens and it's just much better to have a high res and a big screen than saving space and a crummy screen!

Smellyirishman

can you link to a good cheap 19"!!?

Pantera

This is very true a 19" CRT will give far better performance for a gaming rig and at a fraction of the price. Phillips 109E51 a good gaming item. Or anything from the samsung syncmaster range

Smellyirishman

Oh whoops lol, thought he ment a 19" TFT! Now your making sense!

Sorry, not enough space for a CRT in his room, look its not about what *I* want, its for a friend, HE wants 15"TFT or bigger as long as budget is under €1500.01

KdjaCL

If you got an upgrade kit from Komplett you would save over 200 that would get you a 9800XT and decent 15" or even 17" TFT off komplett.

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=111923&cks=PRL
* 123709 - Intel Pentium 4 3.0 GHz Boxed PC800 Socket PGA478, 1MB cache, Prescott
* 123081 - Abit IS7-E2 Mainboard for S478/800mhz
* 117212 - Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB
€348

Compared to your

bit IC7 Mainboard for S478/800mhz I875P,SATA,ATX,Dual-DDR,1394 €120
Intel Pentium 4 3.0 GHz Boxed PC800 Socket PGA478, 1MB cache, Prescott €190
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit w/two matched CMX512-3200C2 DIMMs €245
€565

Thats a big saving and you could go AMD for less and get an extra stick of ram and a decent TFT

Ok try this
Samsung 17" LCD Syncmaster 710V TCO99 Monitor, Silver, 16ms €379
123709 - Intel Pentium 4 3.0 GHz Boxed PC800 Socket PGA478, 1MB cache, Prescott
* 123081 - Abit IS7-E2 Mainboard for S478/800mhz
* 117212 - Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB
€348
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120GB IDE ATA/100 8MB cache 7200RPM €87
Sony CD recorder 52x/32x/52x IDE black OEM €33
Creative Inspire T2900 (Sub,2 monitors,amplifier), Retail €57
LanBoy/MT 350W 4x5.25" 2x3.5" ATX €119
Razer Boomer Control €50
€1073 total leaves €427 for a G Card and Keyboard

MSI GeForce 6800 128MB DDR AGP, NX6800-TD128, DVI/TV-Out, Retail
€335


Leaves €92 change can give to me as commision

kdjac

Azza

Yeah you could get a AMD 64 3000 and a MSI K8N Neo Platinum Motherboard for about the same money your spending on motherboard and cpu. Probably just about beat the P4 3.0

Smellyirishman

Man, completly forgot to check the bundles! I ment to but only checked the weekly offers, think ill stick with a radeon tho.

[EDIT]

**updated specs**

KOMPLETT


Samsung 17" LCD Syncmaster 710V TCO99 Monitor, Silver, 16ms €379
123709 - Intel Pentium 4 3.0 GHz Boxed PC800 Socket PGA478, 1MB cache, Prescott
* 123081 - Abit IS7-E2 Mainboard for S478/800mhz
* 117212 - Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB
€348

Sapphire Radeon X800PRO 256MB GDDR3 AGP,ATI X800PRO,DVI-I,TV-Out, Full-Retai €420
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120GB IDE ATA/100 8MB cache 7200RPM €87
Sony CD recorder 52x/32x/52x IDE black OEM €33
Creative Inspire T2900 (Sub,2 monitors,amplifier), Retail €57

IT DIRECT:

LanBoy/MT 350W 4x5.25" 2x3.5" ATX €119

MISC:

Razer Boomer Control €50

€1493 + DELIVERY

PS thanks a million for reminding me about the bundles, got the same stuff for 200 cheaper! Cant believe I forgot that! Knew I would forget somethin, hence posting here

Zakalwe

I'd forget the Pentium 4. The Athlon 64 mostly performs better at games. The memory is fine, but if you go A64 just get one 1GB chip instead of 2. The choice of hard drive is grand too.

If I was you I'd get a decent 17" CRT and put the money I just saved into getting a better graphics card ( 6800 ) and a DVD burner ( You'll wonder how you ever did without one )

Flatscreens are nice if you get a good one. If you're going to game then you need an especially good one. With performance comes a lot of price.

Smellyirishman

CRT is NOT an option, CRT is NOT, I repeat NOT an option, you can say its cheaper and better all day, but it is NOT an option!! I am well aware of the price, I have bought my self a great one, but space is minimal and so a CRT IS NOT AN OPTION.

Think that got my point across, Ill think about the 64bit

chump

jeeeees, that's quite a response

simmer down

BloodBath

Looks good but i'd advide getting a 6800gt over the x800pro. It's simply a better card for around the same price.



BloodBath

Smellyirishman

Cool bloodbath ill look at the 6800, OK it may seem like I was boiling over a bit but I stated from the start that only an LCD would do and that he wanted an LCD and so talk of CRTs was irrelivent.

Looking over things now such as 64bit and 6800

Ciaran500

He's decide to change for a AMD 64. New spacs below.



KOMPLETT


Samsung 17" LCD Syncmaster 710V TCO99 Monitor, Silver, 16ms €379
Upgrade Kit AMD 64 3000+, Motherboard, 512mb RAM, CPU Fan.
* 122995 - MSI K8T NEO-FSR Mainboard
* 117212 - Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB
€346

Sapphire Radeon X800PRO 256MB GDDR3 AGP,ATI X800PRO,DVI-I,TV-Out, Full-Retai €420
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120GB IDE ATA/100 8MB cache 7200RPM €87
Sony CD recorder 52x/32x/52x IDE black OEM €33
Creative Inspire T2900 (Sub,2 monitors,amplifier), Retail €57

IT DIRECT:

LanBoy/MT 350W 4x5.25" 2x3.5" ATX €119

MISC:

Razer Boomer Control €50




€1491 + DELIVERY

silverside

havent read the full thread, but:
* no DVD drive? burners are cheap enough nowadays.
* Can you save a bit of money by going for an OEM graphics card?
* I'd go for a 3rd party CPU HS/FAN. I have the thermaltake Silent Boost and it works great.
* 160GB drive won't be that much more expensive
* SATA versus IDE? SATA cables are neater, but IDE installs without drivers. You're not missing much by going for IDE.

Smellyirishman

Ye, been meaning to push it up to a DVD recorder.

Anyone know how much delivery would be on that??

Sata is not much better and so I dont want to pay the extra for neater cabling.

Can you link to an OEM GFX card?
Reatil Fan will be fine, I have always used them and they are perfect when not Overclocking.

Actually goind down to 80GB, hes doesnt need 120Gb and if he has it will fill it with crap

silverside

no i can't be bothered linking, check out the usual suspects, komplett, jes, overclockers.co.uk , should save 20-30 quid by giving up the retail pack.

no harm filling it up with 'crap' - i have all my music/films on my pc and it takes up about 100GB, but it's easier than digging around for cd's / dvd's.

retail will do fine but I wanted something quieter/cooler.

Smellyirishman

Hopefully last update. Its a toss up between getting the 3000+ and buying a DVD later or getting the DVD now and dropping to 2800+

KOMPLETT

Samsung 17" LCD Syncmaster 710V TCO99 Monitor, Silver, 16ms €379
Upgrade Kit AMD 64 2800+, Motherboard, 512mb RAM, CPU Fan.
122995 - MSI K8T NEO-FSR Mainboard
117212 - Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB
300353 - Cooler Master CPU Fan Socket 754/940
€320

Sapphire Radeon X800PRO 256MB GDDR3 AGP,ATI X800PRO,DVI-I,TV-Out, Full-Retai €420
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 80GB IDE ATA/100 2MB cache 7200RPM €63
NEC DVD recorder ND-2510A IDE Black Bulk,DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW (Dual layer) €69
Creative Inspire T2900 (Sub,2 monitors,amplifier), Retail €57

IT DIRECT:

LanBoy/MT 350W 4x5.25" 2x3.5" ATX €119

MISC:

Razer Boomer Control €50

€1477 + DELIVERY


Also how come on the details of the monitor it gives the response of 25ms http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=301966&view=detailed

as you can see its edging close to €1500, so I think that the DVD drive should be dropped and picked up later and also lower the HDD for now and he can set up a raid later if he needs the space (which I highly doubt he will). This means he can get the 3000+ and since it is in essence a gaming machine this would be better than the "quality of life upgrades" like the HDD or DVD

silverside

sounds alright for a gaming machine. Make sure the response is < 20 ms though on the TFT.

Smellyirishman

OK here it is , done and dusted.

I ran through it with my mate and he said he would rather drop the X800 in favour of quality of life.

KOMPLETT


Samsung 17" LCD Syncmaster 710V TCO99 Monitor, Silver, 16ms €379
UUpgrade Kit AMD 64 3000+, Motherboard, 512mb RAM, CPU Fan.
122995 - MSI K8T NEO-FSR Mainboard
117212 - Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB
€346

Corsair Value S. PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB Unbuffered, Non-parity, 64Megx64, CL2.5 €85
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Atlantis PRO 128MB AGP,256bit bus,DVI-I,TV-Out, Lite-Retail €210
Western Digital Caviar 160GB IDE ATA/100 8MB cache 7200RPM €91
Lite On DVD recorder SOHW-832S-01C IDE Retail Dual Layer €93
Creative Inspire T2900 (Sub,2 monitors,amplifier), Retail €57 €1290 + €30 GLS

IT DIRECT:

LanBoy/MT 350W 4x5.25" 2x3.5" ATX €119
Mouse €50

€1489



Thanks for the help.

Ciaran500

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