18's to pg

chewy

ya know what im talking about avp t3 etc etc, talking films made in the 80s that had a 18's or R rating then turning them into popcorn flicks....

are there any films recently of the alien or terminator quality that were r -rated surely theres enough of market to keep these films as dark as the original?

ixoy

It's pretty bloody irritating isn't it? It's the fault of those greedy fcuks who run Hollywood trying to enable as many people as possible to see the movie. The worst bit is that the teenagers could still see the dark, more adult version of the movie as long as they're accompanied by an adult - it's not at all like our 18s rating. Only the recent Matrix movies were R-rated and, at least, Hannibal didn't cop out either.

herobear

im not entirely understanding your question here, you mean are there any recent "R" rated films that are similar to the original alien and terminator films ??

sadly, the answer to that is not really, not that there isnt "R" rated films in the u.s. but generally when we're talking about big mainstream action flicks like AvP AND T3, studios usually force the film makers to make the film pg-13 to accomodate the lowest common denominator/highest percentage of audience as possible, which means that when films cross the pond they're nearly always 12pg/15pg, with no blood, little swearing and the barest of nudity.
film makers are combatting this though by releasing unrated directors cut/uncut versions of their movies to cater for the smaller minority who want it that way, sadly, these uncut versions rarely emigrate out of the u.s.(either due to the film not being very successful or because of being refused certificate)

lodgepole

There's been a down turn in the amount of violence that's accepted in hollywood films in the last decade or so. I don't know that it's purely a numbers thing, though filling seats is high on the list of priorities.

One of the things I respect about Michael Bay is that when he was asked to underplay the violence in Bad Boys 2, he specifically made it more violent. Just as a **** you to the studio.

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lodgepole

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Against the director's will as well. The fight scenes had good potential for gore too...

frodi

Why hide the gore from kids? They should learn that if you stick a knife in somebody that the result ain't pleasent. Sanitizing the fight scenes leaves some of them thinking that after a real fight everybody gets up and walks home. If they can't handle that that's why these films are PG.

stevejazzx

think you guys are missing the point the point here, they're not cleaning up the gore from action movies at all, its just that studios have become very powerful(rich) and influential enabling them to acquire them PG and 15 certs for movies with strong violent/sexual content movies that would have recieved an 18 cert 10-15 years ago, the powers that be grant these licenses on the basis of studies carried out to ascertain the sensibilities of public in relation to media in particular film. studies show that we are as a society have become increasinly desensitized by media and this allows them to grant PG / 15 certs for movies with strong content thereby ensuring a greater overall attendance ..basically this is thier cover for being for being cold blooded capitalists.

lodgepole

stevejazzx wrote:

they're not cleaning up the gore from action movies at all,

That's not the case. Compare a film like Welcome to the Jungle with one of it's 80s counterparts. Action films are now aimed specifically at the pg13 market. While I agree (to a point) that society has resulted in some changes in what can result in an 18s rating, it's also true that films have been cleaned up a massive amount.

neXus9

frodi wrote:

Why hide the gore from kids? They should learn that if you stick a knife in somebody that the result ain't pleasent. Sanitizing the fight scenes leaves some of them thinking that after a real fight everybody gets up and walks home. If they can't handle that that's why these films are PG.

I don't think showing gorey fight scenes to kids at a young age is the way to go, tbh.

stevejazzx

are you saying films have become less violent over the years, think about it that doesn't make because the bar of what can be shown and acceptedly shown has increased massively, I mean sure amoung todays hollywood blockbusters we have that ugly political correctness shoved down our throats and countless rom-coms espouse the american dream and tradistionalistic western values but if were talking violence in modern movies as an overall the bar has been raised anything can and is being shown, the bar was much lower twenty years ago(inside of hollywood anyway)

neXus9

He basically saying how he hates how sequels of dark adult films have been toned down for a more general audience.

I think IMO, that T3 did very well, and could show itself to be an entertaining action film without the need for violence.

chewy

i wasn't sure why it was but the discussion highlights this, but i dunno i hate to only use t3 and aliens as examples but perhaps it was their cheaper budgets too remembering t1 and aliens (i saw aliens before i saw alien), they seemed much grittier darker, not just in the frames of film where theres violence on the screen but in their entirity...

why did matrix have an r rating again?

remind me of a good quality r-rated film, thats been out in the last year or two?

neXus9

but perhaps it was their cheaper budgets too remembering t1 and aliens (i saw aliens before i saw alien), they seemed much grittier darker, not just in the frames of film where theres violence on the screen but in their entirity...

They just don't care that much about quality anymore. From what I heard (don't know if it's true). When it came to getting alien Vs. Predator up and running, Ridley Scott had an interest in it (He wanted Arnold Swazenigger to reprise his role from predator). He was ignored:eek: :rolleyes: .


Matrix Revolutions:

MPAA: Rated R for sci-fi violence and brief sexual content.

It was that damn sex scene with trinners (Trinity I mean ).


Yeah, there aren't that many good R rated films out. Mostly these days, in the cinemas they're just slasher flicks that hold these ratings. in the videoshops, slasher flicks, crappy soft porn thrillers, and violent action films.

Venom

Money is the main reason to lower the age level on movies. The lower it is the more people can go and see it. Also the non movie elements of a file are now taken into account such as video games and toy lines.

neXus9

Oh yeah of course. For resident evil, George A Romero wrote a script and probably wanted to direct it as well. He was ignored because they knew damn well that he was going to make it R rated as it possibly ever could be.

RuggieBear

neXus9 wrote:

Oh yeah of course. For resident evil, George A Romero wrote a script and probably wanted to direct it as well. He was ignored because they knew damn well that he was going to make it R rated as it possibly ever could be.

He'd have made it NC-17 if he had the chance if not x rated!!!

neXus9

pekelly wrote:

He'd have made it NC-17 if he had the chance if not x rated!!!

I was reading up on ratings. They don't use the x-rated cert anymore since it's associated too much with porn.

Pigman II

I don't think the Terminator series should be used as an negative example of trend.

After all T2 itself was a toned down version of it's predecessor ... and that particular sequel didn't turn out too badly IMHO.

RuggieBear

Pigman II wrote:

I don't think the Terminator series should be used as an negative example of trend.

After all T2 itself was a toned down version of it's predecessor ... and that particular sequel didn't turn out too badly IMHO.

It's actually something me and me brother noticed as soon as T3 was released....TI 18...T2 15....and T3 PG. Films were definelty getting worse as the age grade went down. If they made another sequel it would probably be G and have the Terminator being fought by Power Rangers....

I was reading up on ratings. They don't use the x-rated cert anymore since it's associated too much with porn.

You are of course completely correct Nexus9....what do they call "x" rated movies now?

evad_lhorg

I personally think T2 is one of the only sequels ever that outdoes it predecessor. I liked T3 too but it's nowhere near as good as the second. they could have at east made the third on 15's though. we all know we would have loved to see that sexy terminator woman walking naked!

Chad ghostal

pekelly wrote:

You are of course completely correct Nexus9....what do they call "x" rated movies now?

X rated movies are 18's movies, R-18 (restricted 18's) is used for hardcore pron
you need a license to sell R-18 movies, so these are usually restricted to pron shops and the like.

neXus9

pekelly wrote:

You are of course completely correct Nexus9....what do they call "x" rated movies now?

NC-17: "No One 17 And Under Admitted": Originally called X, this rating is applied to films the board believes most parents will consider inappropriate for children. It indicates only that adult content is more intense than in an R movie; it does not imply any sort of obscenity. As with films rated R, the minimum age to see a NC-17 movie is 18 in some states.

That's the American ratings. As Chad ghostal said, for us it used to only mean 18's.

lodgepole

neXus9 wrote:

That's the American ratings. As Chad ghostal said, for us it used to only mean 18's.

A significant percentage of 15s rated films are also rated as R in the US. The next rating down from R is PG13, which is a lot stricter than our 15s would be.

ixoy

Lodgepole wrote:

A significant percentage of 15s rated films are also rated as R in the US. The next rating down from R is PG13, which is a lot stricter than our 15s would be.

Well yes because our 15s is, let's not forget, 15PG now and the R-rating is, essentially, 17PG and not the same (at all) as rating a film 17s. Whereas to us rating a film for 18s (and over) only seems pretty normal, it's considered commercial suicide in the U.S. - anyone got statistics on the stuido reasoning? I mean certain movies it makes sense but those with more adult themes should surely not be limited in the same manner. Yet they get slightly "snipped" versions of movies - such as Monster's Ball or Eyes Wide Shut - that never would have appealed to the teenage demographic anyway (we get the full versions *generally*). Is NC-17 (which is still more open than our 18s!) that bad??
On a second question, is the number of movies receiving the 15PG certificate less than those receiving the 15s? And conversely has the number of 18s movies incresed given that 15PG is more permissive? Or, given that studios are going more PC friendly, has there been little change?

Blisterman

I don't see why they don't make it 18pg. it should be up to parents to decide. There is an adult movie rating here, as sar as I remember. R18 I don't know if thats for england or Ireland. It means it can only be sold in liscenced sex shops.
I didn't know you needed a liscence to open a sex shop.

neXus9

Blisterman wrote:

it should be up to parents to decide. There is an adult movie rating here, as sar as I remember. R18 I don't know if thats for england or Ireland. It means it can only be sold in liscenced sex shops.
I didn't know you needed a liscence to open a sex shop.

Chad ghostal wrote:

R-18 (restricted 18's) is used for hardcore pron
you need a license to sell R-18 movies, so these are usually restricted to pron shops and the like.

That's over in England, I presume it's the same over here.