Graphics cards

The Real B-man

i have a dell 8300 p4 2.4ghz geforce fx5200 gc 512mb of ram should i get a new graphics card or a gig of ram?

L5

new card, definitaely

The Real B-man

i would prefer nvidia cards i have about 200 to spend on the graphics card

L5

your best best is an ATI 9800 pro, you should get one for 200 euro. Theyre brilliant, ive the same machine as you and put in the 9800 for the 5200. Some difference.

The Real B-man

is this it http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=122901&cks=PRL or http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=300031&cks=PRL or http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=121423&cks=PRL

any help much apprciated

L5

Its the first link you put up. Great card, itll play Doom 3 and Half life 2 on at least medium and probably higher settings, and will last you a good while.

The Real B-man

out of stock :mad: any other places i can try?

Col_Loki

www.jes-computer.de , www.overclockers.co.uk , www.overclock.co.uk

L5

jes-computer.de is where i got mine from, you lodge the money to their bank acc, then they post it on to you, youll have it in 3-4 days.

Winters

Do still try and get an extra stick of 512 and boost your PC up to 1GB of ram. Having a good graphics card and all are great but more ram will improve your performance and play a lot.

The Real B-man

so confusing i want to boost my pc up for gamecon ram or graphics card voices battling away in my head lol

-ADREN-

Go for that radeon 9800pro so many people talk about it its price/performance is great..

red_ice

radeons are crap. End of story, no more to be said on the subject.

All the machines i have used that used radeons havnt come up the scratch at all - get nvidia cards they own all.

BKtje

radeons are crap. End of story, no more to be said on the subject.

Guess the rest of the world is wrong and i guess these are imaginary fps that im seeing. If you have an opinion thats fine, if you wanna convince someone dont just make a statement like that but follow it up with proof or you just look like an eejit

(can i ask what radeons were being used? )

tman

Originally posted by red_ice
All the machines i have used that used radeons havnt come up the scratch at all - get nvidia cards they own all.

were you expecting a radeon 9000 to be faster than a geforce 5600 or something?

Boro

sounds like an unhappy childhood

Ati cards are accepted as being better than their nvidia equivalents by most users of the two.

Probably better not to let this degenerate into an ATIvsNvidia row though, plenty of those still going already. As far as price and performance goes, you will not beat the 9800 radeon. All that comes close are other radeons.

Col_Loki

radeons are crap. End of story, no more to be said on the subject.

All the machines i have used that used radeons havnt come up the scratch at all - get nvidia cards they own all.

Ahh cmon, i thought you were a little bit better informed than that.

Yet another stupid comment that isint helpfull at all, theres more than one type of ATI graphics card and also Nvidia have a few types aswell ........... might be worth taking note of that.

This is not going to turn into one of those stupid ATI v Nvidia threads, like the AMD v Intel ones that pop up now and again.

The Real B-man

problem solved orderd a nvidia geforce fx 5700 ultra (256mb)

Col_Loki

How much did you pay for that card ?

U know you will see no advantage of having 256mb over 128mb?

The 5900 is a better card if your a Nvidia fan, or the 9800pro which is far better........

The Real B-man

Originally posted by Col_Loki
How much did you pay for that card ?

U know you will see no advantage of having 256mb over 128mb?

The 5900 is a better card if your a Nvidia fan, or the 9800pro which is far better........

€200 for the card

Col_Loki

Its a pretty decent card but what made you change from a 9800pro? Or mabye a 5900?

The Real B-man

well i have a nvidia geforce fx 5200 128mb and its **** probably equal to a 64mb card i know 256mb isnt realistic but at least the card will a good high end 128mb has to better than the one i have now

Redrocket

so you come along, ask for advice, someone makes a random unproven comment about nvidia being better than ati and you buy the nvidia card regardless of the advice givin to you? enjoy your new card

Col_Loki

Just incase you thought we were fooling you recomending the 9800pro heres a couple of benchmarks............. http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1521&page=4

Summary......

3dmark '01 , 9800pro : 18.7k , 5700U : 15.1k
3dmark '03 , 9800pro : 5.8k , 5700U : 3.4k

Also the 9800pro will handle AA and AF far better than the Nvidia cards tend to .
The Extra ram just wont be of any use unless your running very very high resolution (as this is when its needed) , and if you are running at that high res your card prob wont be able to do it at a very playable level. 128mb is perfect for high res gaming, 256mb is only really usefull on 9800XT/X800/6800 etc.

VeVeX

if you wanted to buy a nvidia card for €200 you should have got a 5900xt for that money which is a much better card then the 5700ultra.

I would have went for the Radeon myself though. 9800pro (256bit) are the best mid-price card for the money at the moment in my opinion.

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by red_ice
radeons are crap. End of story, no more to be said on the subject.

All the machines i have used that used radeons havnt come up the scratch at all - get nvidia cards they own all.

I ****ing hate counterstrike players.....

RAW FACTS BUDDY

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by The Real B-man
problem solved orderd a nvidia geforce fx 5700 ultra (256mb)

I actually slapped my forehead when I read this.. You spent 200 quid on a 5700 when you could have got a 9800 pro for an extra 10 or 20.. Ya might as well have gone to Compustore too!!! You know the 256 megs can actually perform worse that 128 megs in some games?

All messing aside, just return the card and buy a high end card. HL2 and Doom3 will not run well at all with the settings anything above low to medium.

ArphaRima

I have a Geforce fx5800.
I fully accept that the 9800 pro is better than it. And as far as i know the 5700ultra is not as good as the fx5800 normal.(and, yes, it is discontinued)

On a sidenote, anyone know how much I'd get for my 5800 secondhand? Im thinking of upgrading soon. Paid a good bit for it new.

duridian

Could be a hard card to sell. The FX5800 series was considered a poor performer for a high end card when released, largely due to its 128bit memory interface and a tendency to run pretty hot if I recall rightly. You would be doing well to get anything over €100 even for an Ultra version I'd say, simply cos most people wouldn't be too keen on them. Sorry if that isn't nice to hear fluffer, I know it probably cost you a bundle when new but this really is the truth of the matter.

Stephen

red_ice, you truely are a retard.

don't bother with your "I WERK WIT COMPUTARS, I KNOE WHAT I AM TAKING ABOT!!" line.

OfflerCrocGod

I'm going to afto go for a lie down to get over the shock of the wasted 200 euros! A 9800 pro or a 5700 Ultra what a tough choice NOOOTTTTT!!!!!!!!! As you can see by the number of exclamation marks I think the choice is lacking a certain amount of though:( at least you could have gone for the 5900XT poor choice mate, poor choice.

Nietzschean

radeons are crap. End of story, no more to be said on the subject.

All the machines i have used that used radeons havnt come up the scratch at all - get nvidia cards they own all.

i'm afraid i've to agree with the others, wha da hell r u think'n??


the 9800 pro's and XT's have destroyed all the recent nvidia cards in the same price range....


though in fairness in the 6800 v x800 ranges i'd be think'n nvidia is ahead.......

Töpher

Originally posted by Serialkiller
though in fairness in the 6800 v x800 ranges i'd be think'n nvidia is ahead.......

But half life 2 is optimised for the x800! :rolleyes:

duridian

Despite being a Nvidia 5900 user, I know well that the 9800 cards outperform the 5900 ones. Red_Ice just doesn't seem to accept reality. I just went with mine cos it overclocks extremely well (can do 500 on the core and about 480 on the ram) and for what I paid for it was good enough value and it certainly ain't a bad card.
The new cards are gonna be interesting to see how things turn out. The PCI-X 16 thing is to my mind irrelevant really as neither will truly take advantage of its speed for ages yet, maybe even 2 generations on from now. The 6800 having the newer shader support could pull ahead if the games developers release games which utilise this ability soon enough, though it looks likely that this will not happen until such time as both the 6800 and X800 are both classed as 'last year's card' and ATI will probably have a model with shader 3.0 support also. The other thing the 6800 has going for it is SLI but few will be able to avail of this as you need a board with 2 suitable PCI-X graphics slots not to mention the cost of the 2 6800 cards themselves. So as far as I can see for the average gamer at the mo' it is really a case of flip a coin as to whether to buy Nvidia 6800 or ATI X800.

They may as well have optimised the Duke Nukem Forever for X800 as HL2 if you ask me judging by the number of delays in that game's release. :rolleyes:

Nietzschean

Originally posted by Einstürzende
But half life 2 is optimised for the x800! :rolleyes:

well thing is hl2's requirments are dewarfed by doom3, which is optimised for the nvidia's

The 6800 having the newer shader support could pull ahead if the games developers release games which utilise this ability soon enough

judging by some devloper forums the only major adv of ps3 over ps2 is increased proformance, and since the ati's proform better at ps2 they are close on par. Most of the other things can be done with the same or less resources via other methods so it seems(big debate on ocuk forum..)

Töpher

Originally posted by Serialkiller
well thing is hl2's requirments are dewarfed by doom3, which is optimised for the nvidia's

Your point? :rolleyes:

astrofool

red_ice is just a forum troll (or extremely dumb...)

Nietzschean

Originally posted by Einstürzende
Your point? :rolleyes:

Well my point is that HL2 is going to obsolete before its released at this rate imo.... BF2 and what not are all due shortly after, as it stands farcry has higher specs requirements(if i recall....) --- its going to be the biggest anti-climax of online gaming ever, sure twill be good, but nothing like as impressive as it would have been if it was released a year ago when it was due...

Töpher

/me pokes serialkiller with the humour stick :rolleyes:

The Real B-man

me opend a Nvidia v ATI can of worms :rolleyes:

Dr Bolouswki

well, on the card you bought vs the card most people recommended you buy, there is one clear winner, and it's not the one you bought

seriously, don't open it and see if they will exchange - it would be worth the wait and hassle - 9800 pro would give you a perforance boost on current/soon to be released games of at least 10-15% if not more...

frame rates don't lie - its not opinion... it s just FPS...