jes.de

brian_ire

hello my fellow boarders. i aint sure if this is the place to be posting this but i figure that alot of people here have dealt with jes.de before so they might be able to help me.

firstly i cant understand any german at all. however im really interested in one of the pc they're offering.

This one! Athlon 64 3000+

could anyone be able to give me a rough guess to how much it would cost to deliever?

also how long does it usually take to deliever?


Thanx!

zAbbo

The site is also in English

brian_ire

ah in fairness it isnt really, the main headings are but most of it isnt like the tech spec of the computers isnt.

have you used jes.de before and if you have what exactly is the pay in advance option in comparison to the paypal option when paying for your good

zAbbo

there have been many threads on this subject, i suggest you search

Creamy Goodness

http://www.google.ie/language_tools?hl=en

tbh

brian_ire

would it of killed you to just give an answer to the question, anyway im off to search as suggested

brian_ire

thanx cr3mo im using that actually at the mo aswell, tis a bit tough trying to get through all this german text, so many answers to be got! tis a new pc tho all the same so i think its worth the effort

Creamy Goodness

i know abit of german so if you need anything translated i'll give it a shot

brian_ire

cool cr3m0 thanx for the help, the main thing i cant understand is their option just prior to when you buy of what exactly the difference in "pay in advance" and the "paypal" option. its been suggested to me to search up on the matter so im in the process of that now

BloodBath

Pay in advance is a bank transfer and paypal is an internet account that you have to set up and credit with money. It's bollox basically as they charge you 3% on top of what you order.

Use the pay in advance. You will need the Iban number and swiftcode. Go down to your bank and give them the details and transfer the money. When they receive the cash they will dispatch your order. It will take about two weeks in total.

You can place the order using this method and it will show you how much delivery will be. They won't send it to you until you pay so you can see how much it will be inc delivery.


BloodBath

CombatCow

:rolleyes:
Babel Fish will translate whole webpages for you.

http://world.altavista.com/


CombatCow

subway_ie

Originally posted by brian_ire
could anyone be able to give me a rough guess to how much it would cost to deliever?

also how long does it usually take to deliever?

Just put it in your shopping cart, go to the checkout, select your payment/delivery method and they'll tell you how much delivery will cost before hand. I paid €17 for a smallish box (about 5kg), so if they increase on the basis of weight, a whole system would probably be alot more.

brian_ire

thnax lads, esp bloodbath for explaining that for me, im off to the credit union on thursday now and then to the bank to set me up a bank transfer!

any opinions on the computer by the way?

with this monitor?

subway_ie

The computer does seem like a good deal, although if you're going to be sepnding about €500 on a monitor, I'd definetly go for the VP171B. It's only 17", but it's great quality and has a very handy swivel mode for using it in a type of "portrait" view.
You might want to get an english language version keyboard too if you're no used to using German ones.

Col_Loki

Yea the PC looks good alrite. Just remember the OS will prob be in german .

On the delivery thing ~€20 and generally 4-6days (working days BTW).

PowerHouseDan

Yup all the os's are in german and remember will have a german keyboard,which isent a big problem but the windows is

subway_ie

Originally posted by COL_LOKI
generally 4-6days (working days BTW).

That's 4-6 working days *after* they receive your payment, so if you're going with bank transfer then you could add up to 5 working days onto that figure. Paypal adds about 3% onto the price, so you're probably better off with bank transfers.

brian_ire

hmm the OS in german causes a big problem, i figured i could have just changed the language settings and it would all be grand, i guess not tho.

If i buy this pc do i have any other options other than the OS being in german?

subway_ie

Buying an english OEM version from someplace like Komplett, for about €100? Or you (or a friend) might just have a "spare" copy of windows XP lying around the place which you could use... obviously you'd have to abide by all licencing agreements.

brian_ire

thanks for the suggestions subway, i think there maybe be a problem with doing both options you suggested because of

this

It suggests the only way is to partion the hard drive and install the english version along side the exsisting german version.

this nice pc is now lookin like a whole load of hassle tbh

subway_ie

What's to stop you just formatting the hard drive and doing a fresh install of windows? Ok, any Fujitsu-Siemens software that's in German you'll lose, but usually that kind of thing isn't essential.

brian_ire

yeh fair point, it just adds an extra 100euro on top to get an english version of windows, plus ill lose microsoft works, which i suppose was in german anyway.

damn im kinda annoyed now, i was preivously planning to build the komplett pc kit but then i saw the one ive been talkin bout on jes.de

i dont suppose anyone is aware of this Fujitsu-Siemens pc being sold with an english os for the same price???? hmm ive a feeling not

subway_ie

Well, like I said, you might have a spare copy lying around...

brian_ire

yeh i know what your saying, ill have to way up my options. ive sent jes.de an email asking them if they had any of the computers with an english os installed, tis a long shot but i suppose its worth the try

brian_ire

thanx again guys, i just have two more questions.

firstly, if i buy the pc i will get a license for a german version of windows xp. if i manage to find my "spare copy" of windows xp will i be able to use the license from the german one for my own one? i assume this is still legit????

secondly, how hard would it be to completly format the hard drive if the os is in german. remember your talking to a novice here.

thanx again

BloodBath

Why not build your own. You could build a better comp for the same price.
www.jescomputer.de

GEH Midi 8003-C4 Super Value Bundle 400W € 49,99 (comes with speakers, mouse and keyboard- all in black)
CPU AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Tray € 178,90
128MB Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro Lite-RTL € 195,99
MB ATX S754 Chaintech VNF3-250 nForce3 € 93,99
Kühler SA Thermaltake Extreme Volcano 12 € 22,89
DVDR IDE NEC ND-2500A +-R/RW bulk black € 82,70
HDD SATA 200GB Western Digital WD2000JD € 126,99

www.shop4memory.co.uk

512Mb DDR RAM PC3200 Level One, 184 pins - Mushkin € 123.14



Sub-Total: € 874,59

That's a much better system for the same price but is minus the OS.



BloodBath

Col_Loki

GEH Midi 8003-C4 Super Value Bundle 400W € 49,99 (comes with speakers, mouse and keyboard- all in black)

Wouldnt put that near my AMD64 TBH. Thats a really cheap PSU and even though its rated for 400w its prob not going to produce even close to that.

The rest is pretty good, except id go for the Zalman 7000alcu for the little bit more. Not a TT fan anymore - too noisey.

brian_ire

yeh im definately heading towards the "build-your-own" option.

thanx again bloodbath for the spec there, i think i might go for what you've put down there.

any advice on the case col_loki? i wouldnt mind getting a bundle like suggested, you've just put me off that one tho.

subway_ie

If you're looking for a decent case then the Antec Sonata is always a good choice... nice balck paint finish, very quiet, 120mm fans and a 380W PSU. Lovely case, and not too expensive either. I've got one, so I'm probably a bit biased - I got mine from Elara, but you might find it cheaper elsewhere. Here's a link.

Col_Loki

Yea exactly what subway said, fantastic case and that PSU should have no problems powering your system.

Other than that you could get a case of choice from www.xcase.co.uk and pop a decent PSU into it (or get a case from jes that you like etc etc). For a decent guide to PSU's check out the link in my Sig......... should give you some good ideas.

BloodBath

Yeah I know the psu in that case wouldn't be great but even if it only managed 300w it woul be enough to power the system. I was just trying to keep to the same price as the one he listed. That case is a bargain or 50 euro. A decent case, a psu, keyboard, mouse and speakers.

Your looking at adding about 100 euro onto your costs to replace these with top quality components although if the psu was to fail you probably would wish you had. The fujitsu syestem would have had a crap psu though as well. Some of the generic models ain't too bad.

You have decent overclocking potential with that setup as well because of the mobo and better heatsink. The one with the fujitsu wouldn't have allowed you to do anything. I can't beleive amd charge an extra 40 euro for the boxed processor. Yeah spend the little extra and get the zalman heatsink instead of the thermaltake one.

Can I just ask what the comp will be for? Games I presume are in the list.


BloodBath

brian_ire

the pc is primarly an award to myself for finishing my leaving. ive been stuck with this intel celeron 433mhz 64mb ram and 6gb hard drive for the last 6 years. i could nearly punch the thing.

my present computer has never allowed me to play any decent games so this is why im building one which allow me to do so. i hear this online gaming stuff can be quite good

other than than i intend to use my computer to continue to develop websites and watchin some films and your usual general business.

subway_ie

Originally posted by BloodBath
Yeah I know the psu in that case wouldn't be great but even if it only managed 300w it woul be enough to power the system. I was just trying to keep to the same price as the one he listed. That case is a bargain or 50 euro. A decent case, a psu, keyboard, mouse and speakers.

Like you said, skimping on the PSU is definetly not a good idea... best case scenario it works, supplies 300w, worst case, it blows, maybe taking mobo/graphics card, etc with it. Plus, the German keyboard will be annoying for typing on, and the speakers will probably be of the same/lesser quality as the ones he has now. You can pick up a decent optical mouse now for about €10-€15. If the budget is seriously tight, then go for it. But if you can manage it, spend the extra few euro and get some quality stuff that you wont need to replace a month or two down the line.

Jorinn

Originally posted by BloodBath
Pay in advance is a bank transfer and paypal is an internet account that you have to set up and credit with money. It's bollox basically as they charge you 3% on top of what you order.

Use the pay in advance. You will need the Iban number and swiftcode. Go down to your bank and give them the details and transfer the money. When they receive the cash they will dispatch your order. It will take about two weeks in total.

You can place the order using this method and it will show you how much delivery will be. They won't send it to you until you pay so you can see how much it will be inc delivery.


BloodBath

Um, that's all well and good except when your bank tells you there's a €25 euro charge for bank transfers so depends on value opf order as to which one is best.

subway_ie

Originally posted by Jorinn
Um, that's all well and good except when your bank tells you there's a €25 euro charge for bank transfers so depends on value opf order as to which one is best.

That is total crap... the maximum they should be charging is about €1. And that would be expensive. If the bank is trying to charge you €25 (and you've got the IBAN,Swiftcode and other account info) then it's totally illegal.

Element3

Off topic here, but is the price Jes.de charges when the items are in your cart including VAT? Or is VAT even charged??

I've put in my details and all and I get this:

Tax: € 96,94
Sub-Total: € 702,81
GLS (Dispatch to IE : 3.7 kg): € 17,00
Total: € 719,81


Could someone please explain what the tax is and if thats including VAT @21% or whatever?

Reason being I get VAT back due to parents business and all in all its only a small bit cheaper than komplett(w/o vat) and komplett seems a bit easier to order from...

Khalim

hi - a bit off topic here as well

still in this bit concerning bank transfer to jes.de

how would they know you have transferred the money to them?

do you have to quote your order number on the bank transfer as well?

never tried buying there before - sorry for asking what might be an obvious question because i can't seem to find any details regarding this.

i am quite paranoid regarding transfer of large amount of funds...

thanks all

-Khalim

subway_ie

Originally posted by Element3
Off topic here, but is the price Jes.de charges when the items are in your cart including VAT? Or is VAT even charged??

Reason being I get VAT back due to parents business and all in all its only a small bit cheaper than komplett(w/o vat) and komplett seems a bit easier to order from...

The price you see as you put the items into your cart is the final price (excluding delivery) - VAT is charged at about 17% (not too sure about that percentage - but it's definetly less than Irelands/Kompletts 21%). So if the price difference isn't that huge, then you may be better off with Komplett, since you can claim back a higher percentage of VAT. But only if the percentage VAT is greater than the price difference between Komplett and JES.

[EDIT] Just noticed that you said it was only slightly cheaper than Komplett w/o VAT - then you should definetly stick with JES. [/EDIT]

Originally posted by Element3
how would they know you have transferred the money to them?

do you have to quote your order number on the bank transfer as well?

I'm not 100% sure how they match the payments to the order... but they must have some kind of method set up for it. I don't think your're supposed to quote an order number on the bank transfer... although when I made my order it did get "lost" for few days - but it was all fixed very fast and with no hassle at all. If you're *very* paranoid about using the Bank Transfer, then maybe stick with someplace like Komplett where you can pay by Credit Card. The risk is tiny, but if you're *that* opposed to it, then you'd be better off for your own piece of mind (assuming you can afford that luxury...).

Khalim

hey - thanks for clarifying that - i've decided to get a bank transfer done

so i strolled down to the bank with the details i got from jes order confirmation.

thing is - at first they gave me one form to fill in - i then filled the form - and proceeded to confirm with the cashier/teller about the sort code.

the helpful staff member then said that the BLZ number that I have is not a sorting code and gave me another different form. as i started to fill in the form, i read the fine print at the back of the forms. The first form says it costs €0.75 for the transfer (Paylink-Euro Form) and the second one (Paylink) costs from €20 to €35.

i was hoping that persons experienced with paying in this manner will inform me which form to use. (yeah i'm pretty much clueless when it comes to banking)

this is how i attempted to fill in the form:

<Beneficiary's name> I think that this is the banks name as that's what on my e-mail
<IBAN number> the number they've quoted to me via e-mail
<Sort code> Is this the BLZ number in the e-mail?

-thanks for helping me and sorry for going off topic
Khalim

subway_ie

Definetly go with the Paylink-Euro form (the €0.75 one). Print out the e-mail confirmation you got, and write down your account number, the amount you want to transfer and JES.de's SwiftCode (it dosn't come in the e-mail for some reason...). The best way to do it is to hand them this sheet, with all the info on it and ask them to fill it out for you if you're in any doubt about it.

Khalim

thanks - didn't realize that the swiftcode wasn't on the e-mail.

got the swiftcode now from jes - never thought to look that up first - d'oh!

looking forward to transfer the monies tomorrow.

thanks

-Khalim