"saint" Bono - Piss Off!!!!

bertiebowl

About a week ago, we had egotistic Saint Bono lecturing us all on how we should spend more of our tax payers money on the poor in Africa etc.

Of course the fact that Saint Bono, unlike the rest of us pays no tax (via the artists income exemption) in Ireland was not mentioned by the U2 lead singer. Nor surprisingly did we see any examples of Bono handing over any of his estimated €500,000,000.00 fortune during the year did we?

Yesterday I saw in the business pages that the Saint is to become chief executive of a venture capital firm called "Elevation Capital". Will this VC firm invest in Africa? Micro Credit for farmers?

Hell no - its going to invest in High Tech. The Saint is to use his contacts in music and politics to fundraise for Elevation capital.

Anyway to go back to last week, Paul was moaning about how a Europe that didn't spend more taxpayers' money on aid was a Europe he didn't want to live in.

My message to you is thus - PISS OFF YOU HYPOCRITE - stick those short arms into those deep pockets before you start lecturering us MISTER..........

thegills

I also read that Bono didn't exercise his right to vote as he was on a piss-up in the Merrion Hotel. I like their music but he makes me sick. Too much money and not enough things too do in his life.

kahlua

He's no Paul Newman thats for sure, $90 million to charity so far and a delicious range of salad dressing. What have you ever given us Bono?

Lemming

:rolleyes:

Lets see ... he's spend a LOT of his own time trying to highlight the problems in the 3rd world, travelled around off his own back to meet various people in power who can help & I'm fairly certain donates quite a bit of cash too.

What the f*ck have YOU ever done to help the third world? At least the man makes the effort!

shotamoose

Originally posted by bertiebowl
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My message to you is thus - PISS OFF YOU HYPOCRITE - stick those short arms into those deep pockets before you start lecturering us MISTER..........

So you assume he doesn't give anything himself because he doesn't make announcements about it? Would you really prefer it if every celebrity went on the news to tell us every time they gave a few quid to Concern?

Third_Echelon

Originally posted by Lemming
:rolleyes:

Lets see ... he's spend a LOT of his own time trying to highlight the problems in the 3rd world, travelled around off his own back to meet various people in power who can help & I'm fairly certain donates quite a bit of cash too.

What the f*ck have YOU ever done to help the third world? At least the man makes the effort!

Yes.. very well said...

I'm sick to the teeth of people slating bono for trying to do some good...

He is highlighting major issues that are affecting the 3rd world and helping to try and drag them into a better situation by releaving them of debt...

Im sure bono does pay tax in this country.. ive heard him say it in interviews before when he was asked the same question by some smartass....

Its not up to bono to spend his wealth to help these people.... they dont owe him any money.. its the first world governments and world banks that are crippling these coutries and their people....

so before any more of you go on about how sick you are about hearing bono waffle on.... think how much you are actually doing to help these people.... nothing but a bunch of hipocrits slagging him off...

pogcica

Bono has become an unelected politicion and has been corupted by the power hungry elite.
he has lain down with the wolves and become one.

He should have stuck to music or ran for a council seat
either one would have given him more credibility than lecturing from his pulpit

Lemming

Originally posted by pogcica
Bono has become an unelected politicion and has been corupted by the power hungry elite.
he has lain down with the wolves and become one.

He should have stuck to music or ran for a council seat
either one would have given him more credibility than lecturing from his pulpit

So, pogcica, tell me .... what have you done? I love the hypocrasy. You're lecturing about him lecturing from a pulpit. At least his has a credible foundation around it.

mike65

Bono proberly has given significant monies to Africa and related causes, he does'nt have to broadcast the fact but I really hate the fact he is exept for income tax.

Mike.

I find him a cretin too but thats another thread! :ninja:

ixoy

How is it that you find Bono, who brings the issues to the attention of the world, is worse - and deserving of more scathing remarks than those who also don't pay tax and do absolutely nothing? :dunno:

Mighty_Mouse

I don't particularly like Bono (or Geldof) a whole lot. I find them a little too preachy for my liking. But thats just a personal thing. At the end of the day Bono has used his position influence and wealth to do positive things. Whether or not you like his methods, mannerisms or self-loving aura is a different matter. I would be more inclined to knock famous people who havent used their positions in society to contribute in a selfless way to society. (other than increasing popularity).

Nobody can say that Bono hasnt increased attention on African problems or that his free concert in Bosnia wasn't a completely selfless and unbelievable gesture.

daveirl

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Cork

Originally posted by bertiebowl
About a week ago, we had egotistic Saint Bono lecturing us all on how we should spend more of our tax payers money on the poor in Africa etc.

What % does Bono pay in taxation himself?

Has he ever said?

Lemming

Originally posted by Cork
What % does Bono pay in taxation himself?

Has he ever said?

What tax rate do you pay Cork? I've a safe bet that you'll tell me to p*ss off and that it's none of my business.

Lordy-lord! I'd be surprised at _anyone_ giving me that response ..... :rolleyes:

Lemming

Originally posted by daveirl
Bono has done good to highlight some causes but there's no doubting that he see's himself as above the ordinary Joe protestor. See Genoa '01 where him and Geldof met with the politicians and said that the protesters outside were unhelpful.

TBH, he had a point about Genoa daveirl. Rioting is hardly condusive to showing peopel that you are either reasonable or have something important to say. All it does is gives the other side of the fence the moral highground & the added leverage of being able to dismiss you as a fanatical extremist and thus sideline you & your entire argument.

The not paying tax drives me insane too.

The man lives here for more than 6 months in the year. Therefore he's not tax-exempt. And even if he's paying a lower tax rate, he still pumps a lot of money back into this country, re: the building of a new studio. Contracting out Irish resources, creating jobs, etc etc.

But we're going off-topic. Name me any ten other celebrities who are as active and try to use their status/influence in a positive manner instead of just lapping up the lifestyle?

Phil_321

Originally posted by Lemming

The man lives here for more than 6 months in the year. Therefore he's not tax-exempt. And even if he's paying a lower tax rate, he still pumps a lot of money back into this country, re: the building of a new studio. Contracting out Irish resources, creating jobs, etc etc.

Fair plate to Bono for his work on Third World issues, he's doing some really good work there. Plus he writes some top tunes.
But he doesn't pay tax on his earnings.
http://www.revenue.ie/revguide/artistexemption.htm
Basically any earnings from the sale of original works "having, or generally recognised as having" artistic or cultural merit, are exempt from income tax.

I personally think it's about time the Government ended this practice, Or at least only make it available to musicians/artists earning under a certain amount.
The exemption's has been around for years, you can thank Charlie Haughey for it.

Cork

Originally posted by Phil_321


I personally think it's about time the Government ended this practice, Or at least only make it available to musicians/artists earning under a certain amount.
The exemption's has been around for years, you can thank Charlie Haughey for it.

FG & Labour have been in government since. What did the "socialists" do to change it?

Absolutely nothing.

But Artiests have to actually to apply for exemption don't they?

DublinWriter

Bono does have to pay tax on income from touring (ticket sales, merchanise, etc) but doesn't have to pay tax on income from royalties from record sales or radio air-play.

Yes, we all are a nation of begrugers. Bono and Geldolf are very untypically Irish because they actually have the sense of outrage that most of us lack, and do actually get up off their fat arses and try and change things.

Whether or not you like Bono as a person or his style of delivery, you have to agree with his message re third world debt.

I begrudingly agree with him.

daveirl

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Carlitos

yes we all know bono is a complete noob,he has as much brain power as well you get the idea.i dont vote and i dont pay tax(student - i get it back)...but i dont preach to people about what they should spend their hartd earned cash on..and why does he feel he can? because he wails over a simple guitar riff or two much to the displeasure of many - i know he has fans but i really aint one of 'em...lay off the saint bit bono ya muppet

cleareyed

we all know bono is a complete noob,he has as much brain power as well you get the idea

We all don't know that. You assert it as a fact. It is only your opinion. It has very little evidence to support it: a hugely successful band and a large personal fortune might be seen as indicators of considerable brain power.
But don't let reality get in your way.

Carlitos

lol relax,it was more of a suggestive statement,it is my opinion and thats how i expressed it but at least you got that,a personal fortune is now a measure of brain power? lol shall i compile a list for you?

monument

While I agree in principle with the idea behind artist exemption, their should be a cut-off point – but is Bono actually claming artist exemption???

It should be really none of our business what TAX any one-person pays, but it is our business when people who can well afford to pay tax can be exempt.

On a side note. I have to say, I find it highly strange that Bono can ask a county that is facing massive financial trouble with an ageing population, a country that has left it up to its churches to feed what were traditionally middle class people in middle of its country, to scrap payments that are to be made to it. Quite frankly on what I know I don’t think the United States can afford to.

bertiebowl

Lets see ... he's spend a LOT of his own time trying to highlight the problems in the 3rd world, travelled around off his own back to meet various people in power who can help & I'm fairly certain donates quite a bit of cash too.

Well it seems to me that the Saint only promotes his third world work when he's got a new album to flog.

Anyone got an example of Bono promoting stuff during the 88-91 pre Actung Baby days for example?

vorbis

Well it seems to me that the Saint only promotes his third world work when he's got a new album to flog.

Anyone got an example of Bono promoting stuff during the 88-91 pre Actung Baby days for example?

so what?
He could be doing it for a massive ego boost for all I care. What matters is that his actual actions are towards doing something positive. With you twisted attitude, no one in the world should help anyone else in case they profit individually from it.

Carlitos

its true he helps alot while others just buy caddies for cribs,wouldnt call him a saint
and as a person i dont really respect him,however in the interest of this thread i agree he is doing a lot more than most artists

DublinWriter

Why don't we all just distinguish the message from the messenger and bascially STFU?

mycroft

Bono's most recent junket to the third world was with federal reserve chairman Alan Greenspan. Greenspan has been chairman of the federal reserve for five terms and has consistently argued againist the wiping out of third world debt.

To put this is context Bono touring Africa with Greenspan campaigning for debt relief is like going on a tour of the artic circle on a norweigian whaler while promoting a whaling ban.

Bono and Geldof's attendance at the genoa summit was a disgrace. The G8 still haven't gotten around to cancelling 1% of the 10% of third world debt that they promised in '00. Attending a G8 summit with leaders who's fiscial policy towards the 3rd world is nothing short of genocidial is a joke.

jank

Bono has spent a few weeks in africa as a volunter with concern in the 80's(Think it was a month)

Hands up how many people have done the same

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oh I see:rolleyes:

[point proven]

Sleepy

It's really just typical of the Irish begrudgery that has you hypocrites having a go at Bono. Yeah, sure the man seems to be a complete pratt but his heart is firmly in the right place. He's used his prominence to try and influence the peace process in the north, to reduce third world debt, played concerts in wartorn countries at huge personal losses, his wife does pretty-much full-time charity work so you can be sure he donates quite a lot of money to charity (even if only to keep Ali happy).

mycroft

Hands up how many people have done the same

I have.

It's really just typical of the Irish begrudgery that has you hypocrites having a go at Bono. Yeah, sure the man seems to be a complete pratt but his heart is firmly in the right place. He's used his prominence to try and influence the peace process in the north, to reduce third world debt,

My problem is Bono claims he's interested in reducing third world debt then hangs around with the people who could change the world but don't. It's his rank hyprocracy that pisses me off.

jank

Originally posted by mycroft
I have.

fair play to ya

My problem is Bono claims he's interested in reducing third world debt then hangs around with the people who could change the world but don't. It's his rank hyprocracy that pisses me off.

He hangs around them so that he tires to put his viewpoint across but he cant MAKE people do things

Remember we probably wouldnt be talking about third world debt if it werent for him

I can see why he pisses people off but I think this all stems form that old cancer of irish society, begrudgery.


ps what would u do if in his shoes?

mycroft

He hangs around them so that he tires to put his viewpoint across but he cant MAKE people do things

But the arrogance to turn up at a political summit, knowing that you can't actually change anything, and the likelyhood that no one there will listen to you, but you get to try

ps what would u do if in his shoes?

Good question Jubillee 2000 the campaign that got Bono involved in 3rd world debt relief, was set up (in ireland) by former nuns returning from Africa. They were on the streets of Genoa at that summit.

Sometimes it's better to be outside the tent and p*ssing in, on sheer principle.

I just was watching an interview Geldolf did post live aid, and his conviction was so passionate. Live Aid changed the world not because Geldof swaned up to Thatcher and Reagan and said "give us your f**king money" he went on tv and said it to everyone. if Bono and Geldolf really want to make difference they should go onto the streets and get thousand of people involved.

Arsing around drinking champange with a war criminal like Putin and thinking the G8 are going to listen to some git in a leather jacket and shades about debt relief is vanity of the highest order.

jank

Arsing around drinking champange with a war criminal like Putin and thinking the G8 are going to listen to some git in a leather jacket and shades about debt relief is vanity of the highest order.

ok i see where your coming from, your never going to be happy no matter what he does or what I say so ill leave it like that

Typedef

Originally posted by Sleepy
It's really just typical of the Irish begrudgery that has you hypocrites having a go at Bono.

Yeah, I agree with that sentiment.

I'm totally with Lemming and Sleepy on this one.

For starters, what Bono pays in tax, has nothing to do with the very *real* lengths the man is seen to go to towards debt relief. Debt relief will fix double digit percentages of African and sub Saharan African problems, by allowing the nations to spend their money on themselves, as opposed to paying the interest, on the interest, on the interest of a loan that was taken out fourty years ago, back.

It's complete madness, with millions of people living on the edge of starvation, with wars for the scant resources left *after* paying the crippeling debt, drought and now Aids plauging Africa, to persecute the few in Western society who try to bridge the gap of the illusions the media paints for us.

If it were not for people like Bono, forcing reality onto people who mindlessly sit in front of the TV, being worried about Max Factor, L'Oreal and exactly how *firm* that magic cream for *people with curves* would make their bottom, there wouldn't even be the *slight* amount of public support for debt relief as there is right now.

It's *utterly* typical of the Irish repressive, mealy mouthed, ignorant begrudgery to start a thread which whinges about *BONO* when the thread should be whinging about the *LACK OF ACTION ON DEBT RELIEF*.

That's the issue, that's what matters.

Bertiebowl, get some sort of clue.

AngelofFire

How dare people insult bono. He is a great ambassador for this country hes done more to alleviate 3rd world debt than most governments put together.

AmenToThat

Originally posted by pogcica
Bono has become an unelected politicion and has been corupted by the power hungry elite.
he has lain down with the wolves and become one.

He should have stuck to music or ran for a council seat
either one would have given him more credibility than lecturing from his pulpit

The guys a clown!
The road hes going down is only legitimising US/big business interests which he courts on his crusade in the hope of converting them and thus saving Africa and the aids riddled countries of the third world in general.
Standing beside these guys while they pose for the pictures with smiling faces and promises of donated millions and the wiping of debts is merely giving them a sympathetic public face while they continue to rape the developing world behind closed doors.
His hearts in the right place Id say but they way hes conducting his campaign will cause more harm than good in the long run.

Slutmonkey57b

Any time I have met Bono he has been a genuinely nice individual, and everyone I know who has met him says the same. He freely admits himself that when he's playing the part of "arsehole rock star" he is a loudmouth arsehole - equally, he doesn't apologise for it and neither should he.

And no, showing up at the G8 summit or on TV with Putin is not an indication of having sold out for publicity - it is an example of the "gentrification" if you like of issues like debt relief and globalisation. Proof:
1: World leaders are prepared to MEET the guy and appear on TV with him in the context of debt relief. If the issue were being driven by the sort of Wombles and Swampys who turn up at reclaim the streets bullsh!t rallys do you think they'd be taken seriously? No.
2: Nothing gets changed unless it's in the interests of the status quo to change it. Particularly where money is concerned. The money brokers will not just "let go" of the debt because - important point here - it IS THEIR money. Third world governments did borrow the money under certain conditions, and knew what they were getting into. We're not talking Del Boy pressuring pensioners into buying life insurance door to door here. Only if the money brokers can be persuaded that dropping the debt is to their advantage will they do it. Morality has little to do with it and again you forget - if morality had a lot to do with it the wonderful dictators of Africa wouldn't have spent all those millions on staging rebellions in each other's countries - they'd have spent it improving the lives of their own people.

lol relax,it was more of a suggestive statement,it is my opinion and thats how i expressed it but at least you got that,a personal fortune is now a measure of brain power? lol shall i compile a list for you?

It's a better indication of brain power than your incoherent ramblings, idiot boy.

lol i burned u fool dont mess wid d best lol

cleareyed

a personal fortune is now a measure of brain power? lol

What is with irish begrudgery? Why can't the ability to create a personal fortune be regarded as a manifestation of intelligence? Because the author of this inane and juvenile post hasn't got that sort of intelligence? Bono has been part of an Irish band that has conquered the world. He has used the fame that followed for good. Well done. Maybe it would have been better if he got 500+ points in the Leaving and studied veterinary and spent his life with his hand up cows arses. For f*cks sake.

Sparks

Originally posted by cleareyed
Why can't the ability to create a personal fortune be regarded as a manifestation of intelligence?

Bank robbery.

cleareyed

Bank robbery isn't the creation of a personal fortune. Its taking other people's creativity by force or fraud. Anyway didn't you see Heat?

Sparks

Originally posted by cleareyed
Bank robbery isn't the creation of a personal fortune. Its taking other people's creativity by force or fraud.

There are those that, when given this argument, would point to Microsoft and remind you that there's often a thin line between "good business sense" and "highway robbery"....