Irish Times Poll:Is it all over now?

arcadegame2004

Given the Irish Times TNS/MRBI poll showing 57% voting yes (up 3), 22% voting no (down 2) and 21% dont know, do you know think that the result is now a foregone conclusion?

Frank Grimes

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
Given the Irish Times TNS/MRBI poll showing 57% voting yes (up 3), 22% voting no (down 2) and 21% dont know, do you know think that the result is now a foregone conclusion?

What are you talking about exactly?

chewy

i have my fears but id loved to be surprised

Villain

Citizenship Referendum:p

leeroybrown

Irish Times TNS/MRBI

Does anyone here know what confidence interval this was sampled with and where specifically they took the samples.

These things are handy for testing the water but on a nationwide poll can quite easily be skewed by a far from 'normal' sample group.

arcadegame2004

Yesterday's Irish Times poll. In the Irish Times Monday June 8th. The newspaper.

arcadegame2004

http://www.ireland.com/cgi-bin/dialogserver?SAVEDB=newspaper&QUERY00=Citizenship+referendum+57+yes&STARTDATE0=07%2F06%2F2004&ENDDATE0=07%2F06%2F2004&DB=newspaper&ORGANISE_CODED=&THRESHOLD=90&Search.x=0&Search.y=0

Heres a link. if you have an ireland.com account you can read the full article.

ixoy

Going from general mood of the population, I'd be shocked if the referendum doesn't pass. However, after browsing many of the threads here, certain hardliners on the Yes side (we know who they are!) have made me decide to place my own vote in the No side. Despite that, I reckon the Poll is pretty reflective of the many of us who don't get to espouse their views on the, generally, more liberal world of online discussion forums.

arcadegame2004

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2004/0608/2918124260HM7BERTIE.html

This link aswell. You dont need an ireland.com account to read it.

Mighty_Mouse

Jasus!Arcadegame your fairly obsessed with the citizen referendum? (apologies arcadegame- reads worse than was meant)
Nothing is foregone by the way!

This is rich (and ironic) coming from someone that supports Sinn Féin (an Extreme-Nationalist + Socialist party).

In this instance I'll take this on the chin!

Raskolnikov

It'd take a huge amount of Yes voter apathy at this stage for the referendum. I'm still undecided, will probably vote Yes though.

MadsL

Looking at the poll 'How will you vote' and comparing it to the Irish Times, it seems that you have done HUGE damage to the YES vote on boards.ie then Arcade. Nice job for the NO side.

bonkey

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
Jasus!Arcadegame your fairly obsessed with the citizen referendum? Are you a member of the BNP/niece of hitler/KKK-ireland-association or anything?

A bit of politeness wouldn't go astray.

jc

ReefBreak

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
Are you a member of the BNP/niece of hitler/KKK-ireland-association or anything?

This is rich (and ironic) coming from someone that supports Sinn Féin (an Extreme-Nationalist + Socialist party).

sceptre

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
do you know think that the result is now a foregone conclusion?

Yes, indeed, I said the same a month ago. Shouldn't affect anyone's opinion either way on the actual proposal. In a secret ballot you can't even get to be popular by voting for the kewl candidate.

Depending on how high the turnout is with other elections on the same day, both sides are probably still working on the don't noes. A cynic would believe that this was part of the government's reasoning behind holding the referendum on the same day (rather than the additional cost). Personally, if I was handed a ballot paper about something I hadn't decided on or didn't know anything about (which to be fair has never been the case so far) I'd tend to vote no as a precautionary measure but who knows where how the unaware (and there's still probably a lot of them) vote.

Still, I'd be surprised if it was voted down. Support is strongest from the 25-55 age group and they like to vote more than the youngsters.

chewy

alot of people who arn't sure re going to vote yes though

I'm one of the 17% unsure about how to vote. I dont see a great need for the vote in the first place but that is not a good enough reason to vote no.

Being honest I feel that certain non nationals make it easy to be racist. For instance I have the height of regard for the Chinese and Vietnamese community, hard working and in the main honest. I would hate to see those people being denied Irish citizenship as they are "an asset to the collective" as someone said. They came here with nothing and got on with things as the Irish have done in America. Similarily the Latvians and Lithuanians whose work ethic puts the Irish to shame

On the other hand other asylum seekers seem to be work shy and more interested in begging and scams. It is these people who have me wondering which way to vote. Should we accord citizenship just because you happened to be born in a country?

What about Work Shy Scamming Irish?
by Not Confused Tuesday, Jun 8 2004, 4:53pm

Confused, you state that there are non Irish nationals that are scammers and wasters. There are scammers and wasters in every ethnic group! Are there not plenty of Irish wasters that are 'milking the system'. For example Tony O'Reilly, Denis O'Brien, Haughey, etc.

The fact is that if you oppose the Government attempting to scapegoat a group in society you should oppose it. Why support this government efforts to deflect attentions and blame away from cuts in public services? What have you got to gain from voting Yes? Absolutely nothing! You have a lot to loose by voting Yes, an arrogant government making up more laws to restrict the rights anf freedoms of minority groups. A Yes vote will give the green light to the government to further cuts and blame immigrants.

VOTE NO on Friday.

Scammers
by Mark Grehan Tuesday, Jun 8 2004, 5:39pm

Asylum seekers are not work shy. They are not allowed to work at all. If you think that they are here to "sponge" why not campaign for their right to work.

people still don't have a clue