Steroids or steroid like substances

pissing_razor

Hey
can someone please tell the name of some supplements that is steroid based or has a something in it that contains a steroid like affect?
where can I get it from and what substance is in it that causes the affect?

rs

Steroids are illegal, and no commonly available legal supplements will give you the same effect as them.

Steroids are male hormones and alter how your body functions.

They also potentially have very, very serious side effects.

- shrinking testicles
- accelerated hair loss
- liver problems
- heart problems
- Growth of female breasts (which can only be removed sugically)

just to name a few.

They are not a joke, and there is a very good reason that most governments treat them in the same class as heroin and cocaine.

pissing_razor

ahhm...but what if ur willing to take on that risk?

PhoenixRising

Originally posted by pissing_razor
ahhm...but what if ur willing to take on that risk?

That's why they are illegal - to prevent people stupid enough to take the risk from doing damage to themselves.

Steroids are only used to treat certain medical conditions, they cannot be purchased (legally) or prescribed for body building purposes.

pissing_razor

how bout steroid like substances?must be loadsa them around that are legal..

rs

Originally posted by pissing_razor
ahhm...but what if ur willing to take on that risk?

Then you are an idiot

pissing_razor

yea i dont think thats gonna help ****head...
does anyone know of any steroid like substances?

rs

What exactly is a steroid-like substance?

Can you legally buy any heroin-like substances?

dudara

don't mess with steroids or any similar sustance. If you do, then you are cheating your way to success, and causing a huge amount of damage to your body in the meantime

Flo Jo dropped dead from steroid abuse

Mr E

Something that'll make your balls shrink and help you grow manboobs, but not cause hair loss?

PhoenixRising

Originally posted by pissing_razor
how bout steroid like substances?must be loadsa them around that are legal..

They are plenty of legal supplements for body building, such as whey protein and creatine etc...

I've heard a lot of bad things about creatine. Just do some research on the supplement before you start putting any supplement into your body.

logic1

Originally posted by rs

They are not a joke, and there is a very good reason that most governments treat them in the same class as heroin and cocaine.

Only the states treat them in the same class as the above. In other countries they're classed as either a restricted class C or an unrestricted class C available for personal use but not resale.

Originally posted by PhoenixRising

Steroids are only used to treat certain medical conditions, they cannot be purchased (legally) or prescribed for body building purposes.

Actually they're used to treat a whole host of illnesses as non-anabolic or catabolic steroids are very useful, asthma, eczema, arthritis, aids, cancer and a whole host of others.

Also they can be purchased legally for any purpose you wish in certain European, South American and Asian countries.

As to the original poster you might try looking into a cycle of pro-hormones. Expensive and not very effective alternatives to steroids but people do report a certain level of success with them.

.logic.

pissing_razor

go on......

logic1

Originally posted by dudara
don't mess with steroids or any similar sustance. If you do, then you are cheating your way to success, and causing a huge amount of damage to your body in the meantime

Flo Jo dropped dead from steroid abuse

I don't see how he would be 'cheating his way to success'. If he makes a personal decision to use any substance for personal gain that's his own choice. If he's a non-competer I don't see how he's cheating anyone.

Also it's never been ascertained whether Flo Jo died from steroid abuse or a genetic heart disease so please keep the speculation about dead athletes to yourself.

.logic.

PhoenixRising

Originally posted by logic1
Actually they're used to treat a whole host of illnesses as non-anabolic or catabolic steroids are very useful, asthma, eczema, arthritis, aids, cancer and a whole host of others.

I thought that's what I said ?

There are plenty of things which are illegal here but legal elsewhere. I was talking about availablity in Ireland.

pissing_razor

whether you guys admit it or not..you guys are taking things like creatine that **** you up in the long term...everthing does these days...
and anyway flo jo's autopsy officially said that he died from natural causes...

dudara

Come on, we are all well aware of the large amount of athletes who assist themselves chemically. I met Dalton Grant once on a plane, and spoke to him for a while. It's common knowledge in atheletics that this goes on.

I wouldn't really care about cheating his way to success, but I would be very concerned about the physiological damage steroids etc can cause. So before giving this guy any advice about anything, I would like to know what he is aiming to acheive by taking steroids/steroid like substances. Is he looking to increase muscle mass, improve lung capacity, improve explosive strength? Some more details would be appreciated.

dudara

anyway flo jo's autopsy officially said that he died from natural causes..

need I say anymore!

PhoenixRising

Originally posted by dudara
need I say anymore!

pissing_razor

i wanna increase muscle mass stamina and energy...so go on give me what you got,,

dudara

what's your training regime at the moment, and what sports do you train for? Give us a better picture of where you stand right now and what you want to achieve

logic1

Originally posted by pissing_razor
whether you guys admit it or not..you guys are taking things like creatine that **** you up in the long term...everthing does these days...
and anyway flo jo's autopsy officially said that he died from natural causes...

There's also no evidence that creatine will have any ill effect in the long term. The amount of rumour, speculation and mal-education occuring here is astounding.

Just do a search in google for pro hormones mate they're not hard to find. They'll alll have very similar names to steroids like 1-AD, Androdiol, Norandrodiol.

They'll claim to boost natural test levels and bring you into severe anabolism. Most claims are bull. But they're legal so waste your money if you want

.logic.

Jak

I really don't have the time or inclination to get involved in this thread - but 3 things.

1. Obviously don't link or reference sources for illegal materials.

2. If you are going to make claims and don't want them thrown back in your face - back them up with some references to peer reviewed articles.

3. Dear god, don't start mixing up supplements like creatine and protein with steroids. If you want to comment on them read about them first, there is a fairly detailed old thread on this forum where we went through all this before. I'm not going to tolerate unfounded rumour mongering and training myths from people who got a gym membership at Christmas.

JAK.

For the original poster: Personally I'd reccommend patience for now and consistency with your training. Try to work harder and get a bit of training history behind you. Pro athletes and bodybuilders have good reasons for taking drugs in my view - they are in a competitive realm with generally tailored advice.

Young amateur trainers or casual beginners should not consider these things just because they feel they are too skinny or whatever. Good diet, good training form, a strong work ethic in the gym and consistency will deliver more results than most would need. I know a few natural athletes who are often suspected of drug abuse, purely because most people don't realise what a good consistent approach to training can achieve.

pissing_razor

well im 6ft training to become pro wrestler...
emm im 160 something pounds...12 stone and wanna be over 200 at least...of pure muscle...

rs

I think pissing_razor needs to a little homework on the subject, and there are plenty of websites out there that will explain the differences between steroids, pro-hormones and supplements and the costs/risks involved.

When dealing with any kind of prescription drug, there are risks involved. The more you know, the more you can minimise this risk.

Insulin is prescibed to diabetics, but it can kill you if you don't know the correct dosage. Morphine is prescribed to control pain, but it can kill you also.

And should you ever decide to go down this route pissing_razor, make sure you know exactly what you're getting into. ( I believe there are some very good books available on the subject) And please, please, please get tested regularly by doctor so you can find out if you are doing serious, damage to yourself.

logic1

Originally posted by pissing_razor
well im 6ft training to become pro wrestler...
emm im 160 something pounds...12 stone and wanna be over 200 at least...of pure muscle...

Getting to 200lbs does not require to use of any pro-hormone or steroidal compounds.

How long have you been training? What's your diet like?
What kind of sessions do you do?

Good diet, training and rest will get you there naturally. There are no short cuts and no substitutes to consistency of application.

.logic.

dudara

I agree with rs. It sounds like you want to increase mass, which I reckon that you can safely do without going near anything dodgy. A better gym routine, combined with a good diet and possibly protein supplements will get you a lot of the way there.

at 6ft, you have potential. My boyfriend is 6"2, 100kg, and trains 3-4 times a week. He's quite strong and lean, but not overly muscular. Diet and exercise got him where he is, and it will help you get a lot of the way there too.

Make sure to be informed.

pissing_razor

yea i know but for the muscle and energy you do

pissing_razor

mass isnt really the problem..i can do that easily...
its the muscle size and intensity that i wanna increase..

rs

Originally posted by pissing_razor
well im 6ft training to become pro wrestler...
emm im 160 something pounds...12 stone and wanna be over 200 at least...of pure muscle...

A solid 200 pounds at 6 foot is perfectly attainable without steroids. A rock solid 240 pounds at 6 foot is a little more unlikely however

How old are you btw?

Getting to 200 pounds naturally will obviously take longer than the other route. I'd guess 2 - 3 years of good eating and hard training should do it for you.

I'd get yourself to 200 pounds the old fashioned way first, and then decide what to do from there.

pissing_razor

17

pissing_razor

thats the thing..i dont have 2-3 years of natural eating...dont have the time..

rs

Dear lord, it could take you to the ripe old age of 19!

pissing_razor

sounds young....not in the world of pro wrestlong....
have to be wrestling professionally by 19 r 20....

Jak

Given that at 17 you still have apparently little training ethic, I'd say your chances are slim regardless. You seem to have a fairly loose concept of what steroids would do to you, and think that you would become "200lbs of pure muscle" in no time. There would still be considerable effort involved, a knowledge of training, preferably a partner etc. Not to mention that 200lbs at 6ft is not really going to break any records, even in good shape.

Either way, talk to your wrestling coach if you have one. Making this decision on your own, given your level of education on the matter and training in general would be criminally stupid.

JAK.

logic1

Originally posted by pissing_razor
sounds young....not in the world of pro wrestlong....
have to be wrestling professionally by 19 r 20....

I'd look at other professions if I was you.

.logic.

rs

Exactly, so train right, eat like there is no tommorow for the next 18 months, and in that time learn as much as you can about the "alternatives".

Make the decision then. If you feel you need it, and you have a realistic shot at getting into pro-wrestling, then make your choice. Just make sure you know EXACTLY what you are getting into.

Many of the pro-wrestlers of the 70's and 80's are now dying of steroid related ailments (enlarged heart, liver failure, kidney failure). There is a website about it somewhere out there.

"The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith died recently at age 39 from a heart attack. Coroner said it was most likely steroid related. Look it up. He's not the only one either.

This **** is real.