NTL IRELAND - €100m Broadband rollout

crawler

http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/0603/ntl.html?ST=wbua.dhvaa@agy.pbzRTEMAIL

MDR

I welcome the expenditure, I just wonder if it makes business sense for them,
I suppose to spend this money they must have written of the €635 million they
spent buying CableLink ...

eth0_

*THUMP*


Sorry, I just fainted. Wow. Excellent news!

spongebob

Ohhhhhhhh Nice

Look at this bit of Rat Poison

"Customers who sign up for NTL Ireland's broadband package from August will be able to choose from a 300kbps service from €25 a month, a 750kbps service for €35 a month or a 1.5mb service for €50 a month. Subscribers will also get free installation and free first three months subscription."

Just think of all the people who will cancel their €24 a month line rental in favour of what is essentially a free upgrade to BB.

M

SkepticOne

Good news if they actually go through with it. The 100m figure seems a little low though considering they will need re-lay a vast amount of cable. It had been estimated in the past that it would cost around 300m to upgrade the entire system over 3 years. It is possible that they only intend to upgrade a subset of the cable subscribers. This is still good news though.

Scottish

Any news on what locations will be done first?

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Scottish
Any news on what locations will be done first?

They need to complete South Dublin first.

bk

As I said in the other thread, all we need now is for NTL to offer phone services (VoIP perhaps) and you can kiss the Rat good bye.

If NTL really do roll this out, then at last we will have BB that really matches the rest of the developed world (and some of the not so developed).

BTW remember all NTL's products include a 30GB cap

I can imagine the panic occuring in Eircom upper management this morning They are probably having an emergency meeting as we speak.

Expect Eircom to respond with multi-tiered products similar to NTL and higher caps.

tman

1.5mb for €50 a month:eek:
1gb daily cap as well, should suit me nicely:)

hopefully Galway sees some of this action, i'm presuming that they will, seeing as NTL are the main supplier of cable here...

crawler

Bk you are assuming that eircom can actually do this

spongebob

No wonder you were quiet .

Does the 100,000 home initial rollout this year include any of Waterford and Galway or do they fall within the extended 450,000 home target.

450,000 homes is one third of all homes in the state.....and there is something in the pipeline from the new Chorus owners which will be rolled out in Limerick and Cork but it will not be announced formally until August/September I hear.

M

bk

Originally posted by crawler
Bk you are assuming that eircom can actually do this

They would need to

Reduce contention to 17:1
Have a cap GUIDE of 30Gb per month
Have a Max speed on the home product of 1.5Mbps

Lots of network re-engineering involved there!

Actually it won't be that hard for them.

I don't expect they will directly match or undercut NTL, they won't have to because of NTL's much more limited customer base.

- Reduce contention to 17:1

They won't need to do this, we have all seen that there is no difference between 48:1 and 24:1 and anyway 24:1 is close enough to NTL's stated 20:1

- Have a cap GUIDE of 30Gb per month

This one is very easy for Eircom, Eircom have more bandwidth then just about any other company in Ireland, they can do this with just a flick of a switch.

Anyway they more or less have this at the moment as they have never actually enforced the cap (and now it looks like they never will) and I know lots of people who download well over 30Gb per month with them.

- Have a Max speed on the home product of 1.5Mbps

This is the only one that might be difficult for Eircom.
Firstly Eircoms DSLAM's are easily capable of this, in fact tey are capable of speeds much higher then this and it can be turned on at just a flick of a switch.

Actually I expected Eircom where going to launch a 1M consumer DSL service in the next 6 months and that they where probably gearing up for it already.

However you are right a 1 - 1.5M DSL service won't be available to everyone who can get 512k, but it would be available to many, that is the beauty of RADSL.

So really not much network re-engineering involved, at least nothing that Eircom isn't capable of and was probably preparing to do anyway.

crawler

BK on VOIP

http://www.electricnews.net/news.html?code=9414408

Scottish

Originally posted by SkepticOne
They need to complete South Dublin first.

Couldn't agree more, it's where all the PC's are

bk

Hi Crawler.

Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted to see what NTL are doing and it will really put the frighteners on Eircom.

As soon as it is available to me I will jump from DSL to NTL, even if Eircom match you, just because I hate Eircom.

However it would be foolish to ignore Eircom, Eircom are very frightened of you guys in NTL, you are the only company who can really break their monopoly and create real competition. That scares them and NTL's announcement is almost prefectly timed to screw up Eircoms share price just after their financil announcement yesterday

However it would be a mistake to ignore Eircom, Eircom can be extremely competitive when threatened and NTL is the biggest threat they have ever faced. They will fight you like a trapped animal.

Remember NTL was the reason why Eircom started working on DSL in the first palce, with a DSL service capable of transmitting TV over it (so that it could directly compete with NTL, however the technology was unlikely to work).

If NTL really wants to put the boot in, then they need to start offering a phone service again. A combined phone, bb, TV service from NTL would really kill Eircom, people love single bills and if you undercut Eircom, then NTL will be on a winner.

Good luck NTL and keep up the good work.

bk

Originally posted by crawler
BK on VOIP

http://www.electricnews.net/news.html?code=9414408

ww) I love everone in NTL, all is forgiven.

BTW forget about the southside, they already have DSL AND wireless, you need to come to D9. I'll even be happy to test it for you

spongebob

Will ye cross the river this year so ?

M

SkepticOne

Originally posted by bk
ww) I love everone in NTL, all is forgiven.

BTW forget about the southside, they already have DSL AND wireless, you need to come to D9. I'll even be happy to test it for you

The southside has more experience of testing broadband being the location of the first DSL enabled exchanges.

spongebob

Crossing the river is the next best thing to "Available Nationwide" in BB terms. It is a true sign of commitment .

I'm sure that Ray agrees with me

M

bk

Originally posted by SkepticOne
The southside has more experience of testing broadband being the location of the first DSL enabled exchanges.

Yes, and that is why most people on the Southside are already signed up to 12 month contracts for DSL.

Much better chance of getting more people on the northside as fewer have signed up for it yet

shinzon

Well my initial enthusiasm has washed off me like a wave, just saw completion of the upgrade for 2006

Can just see the headlines now

"Waterford the last City to be completed in 100 Million Euro investment by NTL, will be online hopefully sometime in December 2006"

Oh well

Shin

uteotw

I'm curious to see if it will still be capped at 1GB per day... especially the 1.5mb

nahdoic

I want to know how many ADSL customers eircom has in the small areas where NTL has its upgraded network already.

They better come to Dublin 15 first - it's crying out for it!

Brilliant news.

LFCFan

Originally posted by nahdoic
They better come to Dublin 15 first - it's crying out for it!

Oh God Yeah! It's probably the most starved area population wise in Dublin. If NTL upgrade my estate I will never say a bad thing about them again!

spongebob

Why dont the people in D15 go door to door with a petition to NTL ?

I have seen so many complaints about the eircom copper in that area that it is probably the single greatest BB happy hunting ground in Dublin, and the NTL cable is new or pretty new ?

The weather is great , just what ya need for a door to door campaign

M

Venom

Originally posted by shinzon
Well my initial enthusiasm has washed off me like a wave, just saw completion of the upgrade for 2006

Can just see the headlines now

"Waterford the last City to be completed in 100 Million Euro investment by NTL, will be online hopefully sometime in December 2006"

Oh well

Shin

Shin you are just not ment to get broadband

You sure must of pissed off someone important in a previous lifetime lol

jmcc

NTL did a lot of upgrading on the Waterford net over the last few years. I remember attending Cablelink's broadband launch in July 1998. I tend to be cynical about these broadband claims from NTL. The whole broadband scene is beginning to be a heavily contested one. The biggest threat to Eircom dominance is Wireless since it does not completely rely on Eircom's aging infrastructure.

The Irishwan groups around the country may just morph into viable community operations but some of the WANs are evolutionary dead-ends.

The terrifying thing in all this for Eircom is that NTL has no dependence on Eircom for the last mile. But as has been said elsewhere in the thread, Eircom only competes when its monopoly is under threat.

I would love to see NTL offer broadband on the Waterford net but it may be that there is a vision-free zone in NTL's strategy for outside of Dublin.

Regards...jmcc

shinzon

Originally posted by Venom
Shin you are just not ment to get broadband

You sure must of pissed off someone important in a previous lifetime lol

i know wish i knew who i pissed off so i could apologise

shin

Scruff

Originally posted by shinzon
i know wish i knew who i pissed off so i could apologise

shin

It was me. Apologise profusely and in a groveling manner and i will have a 10mb fiber connection laid to your house by the end of the week.

dlofnep

It's about time.

Since cablesurf doesn't plan on expanding throughout Waterford, I guess this is an acceptable alternative.

Urban Weigl

Originally posted by uteotw
I'm curious to see if it will still be capped at 1GB per day... especially the 1.5mb

It's not a "cap" in the normal way, more a guide. Unless you max it out 24/7, they won't have a problem. I know of a lot of people who definitely go way over the 1GB/day (30GB/month) guide, and have never had a problem with NTL. I did read that a handful of users who were using more than 100-150 gigs a month did get warned, in areas that were already congested and where it was causing issues for other customers (I think I read that on The Register).

Gonzo

my cousin rang ntl recently and they claimed to him that the cap for the 1mb/1.5mb options is 3gig a day and 1gig a day for the 600/750 which wud make sense.

With Dublin, Galway & Waterford all due to be completed by 2006 this can only be good for everyone even those like myself who live in rural countryside with eircom dsl, hopefully we'll see upgrades from eircom coming shorty, most importantly those miserable caps to sommet decent around 30/40gig a month and perhaps a speed increase to 1mb tho I think im being too hopefull.

Hopefully Eircom are having urgent meetings now about this as its the first real serious competition eircom has received to about 1/3 of the countrys population.

tman

i know the plan is to have Galway/Waterford completed by 2006... but will they actually start rolling out in august?

iwb

Hey Shinzon,
Digiweb will be live in Waterford in the next month, or so they say. IBB will be live later in the year. Depending on where you live, you should have a choice of wireless providers shortly.
Both will have a main mast at Gracedieu, up at the ESB building on top of the hill overlooking the bridge.

shinzon

thx for the info IWB

one way or another old SHINZO will have BB, and scruff i apologise LOL, theres an aul shovel here somewhere waiting for YE




Shin

viking

Dublin, Thursday, 3rd June, 2004
Dermot Ahern T.D., Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, today welcomed the €100 million investment by NTL in the Broadband market in Ireland, describing it as delivering another nail in the coffin of high prices.

The Minister said the entry by NTL into the Broadband market with very competitive rates would drive up demand and lead to further price cuts. Since last year Broadband monthly charges have fallen from about €100 per month to less than €30.

“I believe the entry by NTL into the Broadband market is very significant because of the large customer base the company currently enjoys. It makes absolute sense for a company such as NTL, delivering cable television services into hundreds of thousands of homes around the country to broaden their offering to customers by supplying broadband at very keen rates. Ultimately, it is the consumer who is the winner.”

“I met with NTL executives yesterday prior to their launch and was very impressed by the packages they intend offering. As Minister responsible for broadband, the NTL offer will undoubtedly lead to increased uptake of broadband and lead to even greater choice in the market. We are still on target to have 100,000 broadband users by the end of the year which moves Ireland dramatically up the Broadband European table.”
Ends

Fobia

Jesus that's good. We here in Knocknacarra, Galway don't even have wireless yet, let alone dsl or cable.

The cable here is new and there'd be no competition so I hope they come here FAST!

/me goes off to e-mail NTL.


que

GerardKeating

Originally posted by Fobia
Jesus that's good. We here in Knocknacarra, Galway don't even have wireless yet, let alone dsl or cable.

The cable here is new and there'd be no competition so I hope they come here FAST!

All the Cable network on the west side is two-way (BB ready).

They just need to connectivity to the outside world, which i assume the recently complated MAN will provide.

cheers

Couch Potato

Don't like this though ....

"Always-On is currently only available to selected areas within Dublin.You must be a subscriber to ntl's Basic TV pack in order to avail of ntl's Broadband service."

Their tv service is complete s***e... got rid of them 2 years ago and went with $ky.

RicardoSmith

I'm in D.15, with bad copper. I will go with anyone other than Eircom, just because I hate Eircom aswell. They will do nothing unless they absolutely have do, and then they won't be cheaper than the other guys becauses they don't have to. Theres a dumb group who will pick eircom because they don't know any better. Eircom knows that. Once Eircom see that people with failed lines, have an option they'll put something in place to fix the failed lines. But for me at least its too late.

NTL D.15 plleeeeeasssse.

wideband

Dont forget to add on the TV cable charge as well @ €18per month......therefore BB charge + TV charge = Overall

Its ok if u use the cable tv but costs if u use an ariel or satalite dish


me ...i just complain and pay it.:rolleyes:

Fobia

Right well I've e-mailed them anyways, hopefully they can tell me something......

"the recently complated MAN"

What's that? :?

bk

Originally posted by Couch Potato

Their tv service is complete s***e... got rid of them 2 years ago and went with $ky.

It just goes to show, you can't please everyone.

Well you have two options:

1) NTL TV €18 + BB

or

2) Eircom Line Rental €22 + BB

I know the one I prefer.

Something like 60% of homes in Dublin have NTL, so it is no problem for most people. Even if you don't get NTL, it should still benefit you with better competition from Eircom.

As a person who moved from Cork, where we have the awful Chorus service, NTL seems way better. I love the way that you can hook up multiple TV's to it, you can't do that with either Sky or Chorus (well not without paying a lot more), it is a very handy service.

GerardKeating

Originally posted by Fobia
"the recently complated MAN"

What's that? :?

Metropolotiian Area Network,

Remember all the road works on Taylors Hill and other roads for "Galway Broadband project".

It's a fibre ring around the city.


New EUR 9 million Galway Broadband Network Goes Live

Venom

Originally posted by wideband
Dont forget to add on the TV cable charge as well @ €18per month......therefore BB charge + TV charge = Overall

Its ok if u use the cable tv but costs if u use an ariel or satalite dish


me ...i just complain and pay it.:rolleyes:

Shut the **** up you maggot. Christ almighty some people are never happy.

Eirscum have ripped off the Irish public for decades with there crappy service and now there is real competition to them by a company who dosent use there service's at all for providing a BB service. Hell alot of people would switch to NTL even if both products were the same price and same features, just to give the rat the finger.

Eirscum are due some major payback for all the ****e SOOOO many people have had to put up with for a long time. They ****ed over this country so many times in so many ways with there over priced and very poor services. Time to pay the piper Eirscum

silent

Originally posted by Venom
Shut the **** up you maggot. Christ almighty some people are never happy.

Eirscum have ripped off the Irish public for decades with there crappy service and now there is real competition to them by a company who dosent use there service's at all for providing a BB service.

watch the tone dude, he has a point. The calculation is not correct without mentioning the necessary 18E for TV which is excessive IMHO.
And secondly regarding competion - where are the products? Where will it be avaible? When? I believe it when I see it. Till then there's no real competion from ntl

Venom

Originally posted by silent
watch the tone dude, he has a point. The calculation is not correct without mentioning the necessary 18E for TV which is excessive IMHO.
And secondly regarding competion - where are the products? Where will it be avaible? When? I believe it when I see it. Till then there's no real competion from ntl

My point is that its fair for NTL to charge for there TV service along with broadband as its only ONE company you have to deal with if you wise to use the service they provide.

I have NO choice in dealing with Eirscum even tho Im with Netsourse for my ADSL. I dont want to deal with Eirscum at all as they are rip off bastards and a complete pain in the ass to deal with.

Ripwave

Originally posted by bk
2) Eircom Line Rental €22 + BB

eircom line rental is €24.18

Moriarty

Originally posted by Venom
Shut the **** up you maggot. Christ almighty some people are never happy.

Anything like that from you again Venom and you'll be permenantly banned. No more warnings. Same goes for everyone else.

quank

Another person here from D15.
Me hopes NTL are coming to Blanch at the end of the year. Does anybody know where exactly NTL are going to in Dublin?

SkepticOne

There seems to be a consensus forming that Dublin 15 should be the first area upgraded by NTL after completion of the southside.